Thailand negotiating to buy 5-10 million doses of Pfizer vaccine: PM

[ourmanflint]

Coming to a clinic near you..

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56844149

Edited April 22, 2021 by ourmanflint

[fondue zoo]

 

30 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

Coming to a clinic near you..

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56844149

 

 

The human species really does suck sometimes....

 

 

[shdmn]

19 hours ago, Stygge said:

I still think keeping the right temperature will be a challenge in Thailand. But the main reason for discarding this vaccine in Europe is mishandling. Personel get good training in handling the vaccine but still the smallest shake of the syringe and the vaccine is without effect. You cannot distinguish the failed vaccine by eyesight and you risk injecting placebo in the patient. In Europe they discard the vaccine in the slightest suspicion of mishandling. Do you really think they would do that in a profitmaking private hospital in Thailand? Since the patient would´t know the philosophy whould be that everyone is happy anyway.

I would´t take that risk in Thailand.

The hospitals know how to handle it.  They have proper refrigeration and are used to handling temperature sensitive things like this.  So they can definitely do it.

 

Pfizer also lowered their super cold requirements so it's not as big a deal anymore.

Edited April 22, 2021 by shdmn

[Stygge]

2 hours ago, shdmn said:

The hospitals know how to handle it.  They have proper refrigeration and are used to handling temperature sensitive things like this.  So they can definitely do it.

 

Pfizer also lowered their super cold requirements so it's not as big a deal anymore.

But, as I said, the biggest problem is general handling.

Not the refrigeration part.
mRNA vaccin has a manual thick as a book how to handle it when thawed. The vaccin must be kept virtually immobile until injection. The slightest shake and the vaccine turns into placebo. This causes the biggest problems in Europe. You must discard the vaccine just on suspicion of mishandling and I don´t think private Thai hospitals would do that.

[placnx]

21 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

Coming to a clinic near you..

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56844149

There should be a system for keeping track of vaccine distribution and administration so that fakes and substitutions can hopefully be spotted, probably a blockchain solution. Any vaccine maker that refuses to participate should be avoided. 

[Dogmatix]

On 4/22/2021 at 3:05 PM, Johnny9 said:

 

The problem is AstraZeneca That sharing the technology with Siam Bioscience having problem right now.

Many Thai media keep quite about this and some got hit by 112 already.

At this moment only 0.14% are fully vaccinated in Thailand

This is very very low among ASEAN countries

So, Thai people have to wait and who know when .... 3 months , 5 months ..... 

 

Pfizer and Moderna are the best vaccines in the world at 95% efficacy

compare to Chinese Sinovac is 35.1%  

 

I fear that this may be right. The roll out of the locally produced AZ was originally supposed to start in May but now they say July.  AZ is not a vaccine producer itself and outsourced 100% of the production worldwide.  It has little expertise in overseeing vaccine production and many of the inexperienced licenses, e.g. Belgium, Australia and Japan, have had big problems ramping up production levels as they achieve much lower yields than specified initially.  So it will not come as a surprise to hear that SB cannot start the rooll out even in July and that initial quantities will be much lower than expected.  There is also the added problem that Thailand initially ordered less than 20% of the SB production with the balance slated for export to Indonesia and other SE Asian countries.  The government has not mentioned anything about SB's obligation to export the vaccine under the contract with AZ and how the orders will be prioritised. 

 

If we are right in assuming that bad news will be coming about the roll out of locally sourced AZ, then the reasons for the government caving into pressue to order from other sources will soon become obvious.  

[sirineou]

On 4/20/2021 at 9:53 PM, sirineou said:

Good news. As more and more Americans get vaccinated, very soon The Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J production will become available to the world. Good to be negotiating now so that they are at the front of the line. 

So the assertion that , as more people get vaccinated in the US and other countries, more vaccine will become available for the rest of the world and that negotiating now to get in the front of the line of such vaccine glut is a good idea seems to pan out ,

Reported today in the US:

"Federal officials say they have enough doses from Pfizer and Moderna to vaccinate all American adults. But officials are hopeful that J&J can iron out its problems and still be of use for booster shots down the line, and for immunization in other countries as the U.S. ramps up its vaccine diplomacy. "

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/22/biden-officials-johnson-vaccine-484356

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

So the assertion that , as more people get vaccinated in the US and other countries, more vaccine will become available for the rest of the world and that negotiating now to get in the front of the line of such vaccine glut is a good idea seems to pan out ,

Reported today in the US:

"Federal officials say they have enough doses from Pfizer and Moderna to vaccinate all American adults. But officials are hopeful that J&J can iron out its problems and still be of use for booster shots down the line, and for immunization in other countries as the U.S. ramps up its vaccine diplomacy. "

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/22/biden-officials-johnson-vaccine-484356

 

 

I think vaccine diplomacy would be a good idea from the Western countries who hogged enough high quality vaccines to vaccinate their populations several times over.  The way things are going the pandemic will be swirling around poorer countries for years mutating into new variants that their vaccines can't protect them from.

[metisdead]

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[Dont confuse me]

"Negotiating" I think that would translate into bartering to see how much I can skim off the top!

When has this person ever delivered anything for his people? 

Don't hold your breath folks.

[BobBKK]

While most countries have the vaccine, UK has 500 million doses, Thailand is 'negotiating'???  <deleted>