Sinovac has no adverse effects whatever?

[Kiujunn]

So many Thai nurses and doctors are scared of Sinovac, why?

One nurse told me it could result in a stroke, and "many people have died" - but she couldn't name a single one. 

So i happily began to read a thread about Sinovac side effects,  only to see it's closed. 

Google doesn't really lead to any specific side effects, either - what i found was more superstitious stuff from those arrogant Hongkongers (good we brought them back into the motherland last year)

https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-economics/unused-shots-pile-up-as-mistrust-blights-hong-kong-vaccine-drive

Oh, in Portuguese Google gets 

https://epocanegocios.globo.com/Brasil/noticia/2020/10/butanta-vacina-da-sinovac-e-que-tem-menos-efeitos-colaterais-entre-testadas.html

"Sinovac is the one with least collateral effects". From Butantã, a highly respected source. 

 

Actually,  it's a traditional inactivated virus vaccine.  So one woul expect not much effect and not much side effects. 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by Kiujunn

[CharlieH]

 

[internationalism]

there is association of AZ with blood cloths and stroke. So this nurse is little confused.

in the closed thread there was only a pix of a young female with an allergic skin reaction. It's harmless and doesn't last.

of course inactivated vax are effective.

All hepatitis A, flu, polio, rabies and others. Yes, they need several shots and they might need boosters. But they are mass produced and cheap.

Nothing against taking now any available covid vax, whatever efficiency, and later being picky, when choice will become available. Each time different vax can be taken, mix and match whatever the present trend is

Edited May 10, 2021 by internationalism

[Kiujunn]

You aren't a doctor,  are you? 

The venous sinus thrombosis (AZ) and stroke/transitory ischemic  attack (Sinovac in Rayong?) are quite different things.

 

The pic in the closed thread didn't look like a typical allergic reaction. 

 

Mix and match vaccines will probably be possible,  but there are no data at all proving it. The UK is running a study for some combination. 

When vaccinating patients against any disease,   doctors do not "mix and match" if its not necessary (or this specific combination has been researched)

[internationalism]

it's enough that you are a doctor and wasting your time on explaining, that blood clots don't cause strokes (which they do, but not in chinese traditional medicine).

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/stroke/causes/#:~:text=Ischaemic strokes are the most,process is known as atherosclerosis.

 

mix and match to the virus mutation which would be dangerous at that time.

By then it would be known more how they interact. There would be also more vax, which are being developed. There would be also vax tweaked for new mutations coming. 

[Kiujunn]

9 hours ago, internationalism said:

it's enough that you are a doctor and wasting your time on explaining, that blood clots don't cause strokes (which they do, but not in chinese traditional medicine).

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/stroke/causes/#:~:text=Ischaemic strokes are the most,process is known as atherosclerosis.

 

mix and match to the virus mutation which would be dangerous at that time.

By then it would be known more how they interact. There would be also more vax, which are being developed. There would be also vax tweaked for new mutations coming. 

To equate stroke and SVT because both are (usually) thromboembolic events is like equating elephants and giraffes because both have 4 legs.

Prevalence, age distribution,  pathophysiology, symptoms, treatment, prognosis of both diseases are very different.

 

It was surprising that AZ causes SVT and certain other thromboses, but not any kind of thrombosis as one would expect.  SVT after AZ occurs after 2 weeks and often is life-threatening. Symptoms similar to stroke, after Sinovac, occurred shortly after inoculation and were reversible (at least we are told so). 

 

There is no evidence that these 2 conditions are related. 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Kiujunn

[faraday]

6 minutes ago, Kiujunn said:

equate stroke and SVT because both are (usually) thromboembolic events is like equating elephants and giraffes

 "to"

 

Dunno what you mean...

 

AF can & does cause a stroke.

[Kiujunn]

25 minutes ago, faraday said:

 "to"

 

Dunno what you mean...

 

AF can & does cause a stroke.

Yes.

And AZ does not cause the kind of thrombi that AF causes. 

AZ does cause some kind of thrombosis,  but not just any kind. That's surprising and the reason is not well understood. It does not typically cause stroke. 

[cormanr7]

Even the WHO apparently has reservations on the data pertaining to the safety of Sinovac according to this article: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-effective-some-data-lacking-who-experts-2021-05-05/. 

Quote from the article: 

The experts said they had a "moderate level of confidence" that the risk of serious adverse effects was low in people aged 59 and less, but had a "low level of confidence" in the quality of evidence that such risk was also low for adults above 60.

"We have low confidence in the quality of evidence that the risk of serious adverse events in individuals with comorbidities or health states that increase risk for severe COVID-19 following one or two doses of CoronaVac is low," they added.