“Mix & Match” with Sinovac then AstraZeneca implemented for those 18+

[cyril sneer]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

No particular advantage to doing that IMO.

 

Both are inactvated virus vaccines. Both have comparatively low efficicacy (and very low against Delta).

I didn’t think efficiency played a part 

[HappyExpat57]

23 minutes ago, rabas said:

Just curious, did you or any of your friend have a prior vaccination?  How did they know about you, had you registered somewhere?

I registered at a Bangkok Pattaya Hospital link I found on Facebook (first time FB did something good beside remind you of friends' birthdays!). My friends are getting theirs as I write this reply so I'm not sure how they found out. I CAN say it was very sudden and unexpected for them as we chat daily and no mention of their jabs until just yesterday.

[club]

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

No, you don't tell people to just go google, You provide a claim, evidence, then your reasoning why the evidence supports your claim.

 

I did just that in my initial post. I said your claim was not supported by the evidence you provided, I showed evidence and explained. You have not even been able to refute that.

I am not telling other people to Google it. I am telling YOU. Your claim and so called evidence says Pfizer losing effectiveness the same thing my link says. Some studies say 39% , some say other percentages. Bottom line . Bottom line , Pfizer losing effectiveness. That's my point. What's yours? Don't forget to get your Pfizer booster

[Misty]

10 minutes ago, club said:

I am not telling other people to Google it. I am telling YOU. Your claim and so called evidence says Pfizer losing effectiveness the same thing my link says. Some studies say 39% , some say other percentages. Bottom line . Bottom line , Pfizer losing effectiveness. That's my point. What's yours? Don't forget to get your Pfizer booster

I did as you suggested and found the following report.  Was this what you meant?

Study: Pfizer and AstraZeneca’s protection from delta variant weaker after 90 days

 

A British study finds protection against the delta variant from the Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines weakens within 90 days after the second dose....The authors noted that two doses of either vaccine still gave at least the same level of protection as after getting a natural coronavirus infection.

 

 

[rabas]

Just now, club said:

I am not telling other people to Google it. I am telling YOU. Your claim and so called evidence says Pfizer losing effectiveness the same thing my link says. Some studies say 39% , some say other percentages. Bottom line . Bottom line , Pfizer losing effectiveness. That's my point. What's yours? Don't forget to get your Pfizer booster

Do you mean this?  Only against the Delta strain, Pfizer's efficiently drops from 92% to 78% percent in 90 days, no claims of further drops. This does not support your claim that "Pfizer drops like Sinovac".  No relation quantitatively or qualitatively.  Perhaps a poor choice of words, but words that could lead to confusion, which is why I point it out. There is enough confusion already.

 

As for boosters, thanks, I've got 2 Moderna on the way after my 1 or 2 AZ's, haven't decided yet. 

 

NATURE: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8

 

"— 14 days after the second dose. But the vaccine’s effectiveness fell to 90%, 85% and 78% after 30, 60 and 90 days, respectively."

[club]

13 minutes ago, Misty said:

I did as you suggested and found the following report.  Was this what you meant?

Study: Pfizer and AstraZeneca’s protection from delta variant weaker after 90 days

 

A British study finds protection against the delta variant from the Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines weakens within 90 days after the second dose....The authors noted that two doses of either vaccine still gave at least the same level of protection as after getting a natural coronavirus infection.

 

 

Its not the same link I posted, but is basically says the same thing

[Misty]

1 minute ago, club said:

Its not the same link I posted, but is basically says the same thing

Thanks.  The study in my link seems to compare Pfizer with AstraZeneca, rather than Pfizer with Sinovac

[club]

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

Do you mean this?  Only against the Delta strain, Pfizer's efficiently drops from 92% to 78% percent in 90 days, no claims of further drops. This does not support your claim that "Pfizer drops like Sinovac".  No relation quantitatively or qualitatively.  Perhaps a poor choice of words, but words that could lead to confusion, which is why I point it out. There is enough confusion already.

 

As for boosters, thanks, I've got 2 Moderna on the way after my 1 or 2 AZ's, haven't decided yet. 

 

NATURE: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8

 

"— 14 days after the second dose. But the vaccine’s effectiveness fell to 90%, 85% and 78% after 30, 60 and 90 days, respectively."

The other studies all have different findings on how much Pfizer losing effectiveness. Your first link you posted said 39% Did you forget what you posted? Moderna is my choice also

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1 hour ago, ramrod711 said:

My Thai wife can't get vaccinated with anything but Sinovac, I have the Sinovac/AstraZeneca combination. Seems to me that the Thai people are being treated shabbily by their own government.

With that kind of talk you're going to offend a lot of grievance-nursing farangs.

[Bogbrush]

A clip from an interesting article in Spectator UK

 

[Pinot]

20 hours ago, ezzra said:

Don't waste your time on any Chinese vax, not even worth the little glass bottle it comes in with, wait for better combination...

That's not true. Any of the vaccines will greatly improve your chances of not getting a serious enough case to put you in the hospital or kill you. Waiting for a better choice isn't the correct choice. 

 

When you have no choices take what's available. To say what you've written isn't true and dangerous. You're not a doctor. No one should listen to you.