43 minutes ago, mikesalaugh said:

Yes, be careful what you wish for. You might just get it!

Slightly off topic but....Exactly! Just look at the UK

1 hour ago, Robin said:

If the mob wont change, they will have to offer a new leader who can inspire the population and convince them that he can lead 
Thailand out of this crisis.   

That has been Thailand's problem for years;  There is no leader with the ability to take charge of the country, just opportunists who want to feather their own nests.

I think Thanathorn with the future foreward party was a good alternative to the old corrupt establishment .

That is why they got rid of him in a very unfair way .

Even Prajut steps down , he will soon be replaced with another muppet of the governing establishment .

The only way out of this political dilemma would be a clear win of an alternative party on the next elections .

But in a country where politicians still can buy votes , nothing is certain .

5 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

And that is one of the reasons why the majority of the country is now against you,

The "best of your ability" was nowhere near good enough, reeks of gross incompetence, nepotism and corruption, and has left a mostly unvaccinated country in a state of disrepair !

But clever enough never to lose elections ???? ???? 

We all know how the clown PM would fare in a fair election. He would get less than 5% of the vote, likely. Without Covid, there would likely be millions in the streets, including the older generation, who he could count on for support, before he bungled the vaccine worse than a 6 year old, with bad intentions. 

1 hour ago, Robin said:

If the mob wont change, they will have to offer a new leader who can inspire the population and convince them that he can lead 
Thailand out of this crisis.   

That has been Thailand's problem for years;  There is no leader with the ability to take charge of the country, just opportunists who want to feather their own nests.

Thanathorn would have been a far better leader. And he would have knocked Tiny P. out, one minute into the first round, in a fair election. The army would have faced great humiliation, and that is only part of the reason the election was rigged, and the FFP was eliminated by the totally corrupt judiciary.

Two reasons why not to quit:

 

1). The money is to good.

 

2). He'll be deported or even arrested potentially.

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

I can understand if the protestors quote high corruption cases, misuse of government funds as the reasons but Covid cases should definitely not be used as a case when more advanced countries with much more financial resources like Japan and UK are doing much worse than Thailand.

 

I think that the situation is one where you cannot completely blame the government for the current covid situation in Thailand, nor can you say how things are now were an inevitability.  No country has been able to remain Delta-free, but clearly things would be a bit better if the government had begun seriously getting vaccines sourced some time last year.

 

One thing people seem keen to ignore, is the fact that many Thai people appear to be taking this third wave less seriously than they did the first.  With people still gathering, socialising and travelling.  But obviously someone who has an anti-government agenda is going to maximise government wrongdoing and minimise that of the everyday citizen.

2 hours ago, kennw said:

I worry about the alternative, could it be "out of the frying pan into the fire"

 

There will be an election sooner or later. The problem is will there be any meaningful opponents? The longer they stay the more time they have to suppress other parties and change the rules to suit themselves. What worries me is that someone who uses force to gain power, is much more likely to use it to stay in power.

 

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

 

An off topic post about the political scene in the USA has been removed. 

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

clearly things would be a bit better if the government had begun seriously getting vaccines sourced some time last year.

This sentence explains why all the other things you talk about are happening. Also things would be a lot better not just a little. 

They can protest all they like until the sun does not shine 

Nothing will change until the people around him decide enough is enough 

Is it better the devil you know or not time will tell

1 minute ago, chang1 said:

This sentence explains why all the other things you talk about are happening. Also things would be a lot better not just a little. 

No.  Delta would still be here.  It would just be possibly a little better.

26 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think that the situation is one where you cannot completely blame the government for the current covid situation in Thailand, nor can you say how things are now were an inevitability.  No country has been able to remain Delta-free, but clearly things would be a bit better if the government had begun seriously getting vaccines sourced some time last year.

 

One thing people seem keen to ignore, is the fact that many Thai people appear to be taking this third wave less seriously than they did the first.  With people still gathering, socialising and travelling.  But obviously someone who has an anti-government agenda is going to maximise government wrongdoing and minimise that of the everyday citizen.

 

Thailand did order early last year but some people screwed up with the delivery of Astrazeneca which was connected with the Thai king. 

 

I don't know who hoarded Astrazeneca to use for its own citizens first.

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3 hours ago, crazykopite said:

If a million people take to the streets there is a very small chance he would get the message otherwise it’s a waste of time 

Yep, much better for everyone to stay at home and pretend all is well. In fact why not tell the media to only show good news and ban people from telling the truth on social media? Block foreign websites like Google and Facebook so no bad news reaches the people at all. Add in a few lies so that any problems can be blamed on the west. Are elections really needed? I think there could be other countries nearby to look at to get an idea of how this could work.

2 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Thailand did order early last year but some people screwed up with the delivery of Astrazeneca which was connected with the Thai king. 

They did do that.  But they should have been sourcing vaccines from all around the world and should have joined covax at the earliest time.

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Activists vowed to defy coronavirus ban on big gatherings and stage street protests daily until Prayuth leaves office.

This just shows how stupid people are .

They blame the PM for Failing to do his job Those people  are worse.

Good luck to the PM he's got enough Votes to stay in Charge.

What If they got rid of him the next time Will there be a Suitable Replacement?

I doubt it So for he's the best of the Bad Bunch. Don't forget All Pollies are liars and Crooks.

9 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

No.  Delta would still be here.  It would just be possibly a little better.

Covid is going to be around for a while. If 100% of the population are vaccinated then there are very few deaths, ie. much better. Covid cases don't matter - deaths and long covid do.

5 minutes ago, chang1 said:

If 100% of the population are vaccinated then there are very few deaths, ie. much better.

What percentage of people do you think they would have got through by the time delta hit in April?

4 minutes ago, digger70 said:

This just shows how stupid people are .

They blame the PM for Failing to do his job Those people  are worse.

Good luck to the PM he's got enough Votes to stay in Charge.

What If they got rid of him the next time Will there be a Suitable Replacement?

I doubt it So for he's the best of the Bad Bunch. Don't forget All Pollies are liars and Crooks.

At what point would you say they should protest?

If they used force to get into power?

If they remove all viable opposition?

If they vaccinated themselves and left everyone else to the mercy of covid?

If they allowed rampant corruption to continue?

If they turned a blind eye to corrupt police and immigration?

If they rigged elections in their favour?

Or if they refused to have an election and just held onto power?

Obviously none of this is likely to happen but if it did would you be happy to sit at home and do nothing? 

2 hours ago, EricTh said:

I can understand if the protestors quote high corruption cases, misuse of government funds as the reasons but Covid cases should definitely not be used as a case when more advanced countries with much more financial resources like Japan and UK are doing much worse than Thailand.

 

I'm English ,If rather be in Thailand then in my own country.

Just now, BangkokReady said:

What percentage of people do you think they would have got through by the time delta hit in April?

A lot higher if they put the resources into acquiring vaccines. 

They were lucky in the first wave and became complacent. They thought they could save/make money by waiting for home grown vaccines. Unfortunately vaccines are hard to make and the Indian variant has caught them out.

Do you think they pulled out all the stops to get vaccines?

13 minutes ago, chang1 said:

At what point would you say they should protest?

If they used force to get into power?

If they remove all viable opposition?

If they vaccinated themselves and left everyone else to the mercy of covid?

If they allowed rampant corruption to continue?

If they turned a blind eye to corrupt police and immigration?

If they rigged elections in their favour?

Or if they refused to have an election and just held onto power?

Obviously none of this is likely to happen but if it did would you be happy to sit at home and do nothing? 

Ok protesting is Fine ,But not the way they do it now, Mobbing and Violence. 

They are at great risk for C19 with so many people out and about.

 

6 minutes ago, Percy P said:

I'm English ,If rather be in Thailand then in my own country.

Because you have an easy escape route. What if you were stuck in Thailand without any financial backup? Even China could be OK but would I want to be an average Chinese - not for 1 minute. 

8 minutes ago, chang1 said:

Do you think they pulled out all the stops to get vaccines?

As I said, it could have been better, but it would still be bad.

5 minutes ago, chang1 said:

What if you were stuck in Thailand without any financial backup?

Or had to live like the average Thai.

3 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Ok protesting is Fine ,But not the way they do it now, Mobbing and Violence. 

They are at great risk for C19 with so many people out and about.

 

Young people without complications are at almost no risk from covid but can spread it. Not sure what you mean by mobbing as any such demonstration could be a mob. As for violence, that is never acceptable but you also have to look at the tactics used against them. I doubt those arrested get an easy time. Joe Ferrari exposed the type of thing that goes on as normal behaviour. 

Isn't it almost the same protesters that were protesting about something else last year, I recognized some of last year's leaders on the stage, but they seemed populistic to have changed the cause to an at present time more popular one...????

11 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

As I said, it could have been better, but it would still be bad.

As soon as there was a hint of how bad things were in Wuhan the UK should have sealed all travel routes. I said this right at the beginning but we believed China and the WHO until it was too late.  

This could have been done better but after that the UK on the whole did a good, not perfect, job at great expense. 

Thailand started good then money took priority so didn't even try to get vaccines except for the well off. This is not a case of could have done better, they didn't even try to do better so there is no way they could do better. Only now are they trying but unfortunately it is too late. Delta will have gone through the population before people are vaccinated. 

2 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Isn't it almost the same protesters that were protesting about something else last year, I recognized some of last year's leaders on the stage, but they seemed populistic to have changed the cause to an at present time more popular one...????

It will be the same people just with more to protest about now than when they were subdued  last year.

20 minutes ago, chang1 said:

As soon as there was a hint of how bad things were in Wuhan the UK should have sealed all travel routes. I said this right at the beginning but we believed China and the WHO until it was too late.  

This could have been done better but after that the UK on the whole did a good, not perfect, job at great expense. 

Thailand started good then money took priority so didn't even try to get vaccines except for the well off. This is not a case of could have done better, they didn't even try to do better so there is no way they could do better. Only now are they trying but unfortunately it is too late. Delta will have gone through the population before people are vaccinated. 

Sure, but Delta still would have come and there still would have been a third wave.