gust Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Another riddle on channel 5: TRT's argument [that the 27th announcement could not be retroactive?] is considered void since the 27th announcement by the CNS protects the country from political parties that aim to destroy national unity. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) To follow up on the above, this now means as far as I know that the key decision will be did they act on their own or at the behest of TRT. If the answer to that is yes they did, I believe that forms sufficient grounds to dissolve TRT, irrespective of the other charges, however if the Tribunal says they acted as individuals the party could survive. By default it means that they could be prosecuted as individuals for this criminal offence. Regards /edit clarification// Edited May 30, 2007 by A_Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 she's started her Aria The Constitutional Tribunal judges ruled on Wednesday that two senior members of Thai Rak Thai party found guilty of violating the election laws by paying and hiring others to run in an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 From BBC News A Thai court has found the party of ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra guilty of violating election laws, which could see it disbanded. Thai Rak Thai was found guilty of bribing two smaller parties to influence the results of last year's election, which was later annulled. Mr Thaksin could now be barred from political office for five years. Mr Thaksin was ousted in a military coup last September, accused of corruption and abuse of power. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6704083.stm Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Two posts removed for not following this forum rule: "Discussion of topics concerning the King or other current or deceased members of the Thai Royal Family is forbidden" Please refrain from any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 So thousands of troops are out there to intimidate the judges, not the people who might violently protest against unfavourable verdicts? Why should I take words of anonymous Lavchdr over the polls that no one else questions? Dreamland. >>> Blaze, you can call safely it rumors, I don't have videotapes or signed confessions. If you insist in your belief that it didn't happen, so be it, there's little left to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Slightly different news than BBC gave (post 318): Nation news: (urgent) Two senior TRT found guilty of violating election laws The Constitutional Tribunal judges ruled on Wednesday that two senior members of Thai Rak Thai party found guilty of violating the election laws by paying and hiring others to run in an election. more news: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/05/30...es_30035610.php LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbu Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Thai Court Clears Democrat Party of Election Offences (Update2) By Beth Jinks and Anuchit Ngyuen May 30 (Bloomberg) -- Thailand's constitutional court cleared the Democrat Party, the country's oldest, of breaking election laws last year, allowing it to continue to exist and easing concerns the planned December poll would be postponed. The nine-judge tribunal, appointed by the military junta that ousted former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra in September, also absolved Democrat leaders of any wrongdoing. The judges are ruling now on whether to disband the former ruling party, Thai Rak Thai, and ban its key members from politics for offences in the same April 2006 election. Thailand's junta deployed more than 10,000 soldiers and police in Bangkok ahead of today's verdicts, which Democrat and Thai Rak Thai leaders pledged to respect. King Bhumibol Adulyadej warned last week that any judgment ``will damage the country'' and Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont said this morning he would order emergency rule if there were violent protests. ``By acquitting the Democrats, protests from those who were anti-junta and anti-coup would be fended off,'' said Michael Montesano, who teaches Thai politics at the National University of Singapore. ``The charges against Thai Rak Thai were always more serious,'' he said. Charges against the Democrat Party included making false accusations against Thaksin, paying other parties to criticize the former ruling party, and supporting a group of people to block some candidates registering for the April election, judges said today. ``The Democrat Party received a great prize today for its campaign against the previous government,'' said Sombat Thamrongthanyawong, president of the National Institute of Development Administration, a state-run graduate school. ``This good record can help them campaign for the next election.'' Record Election Victory Executives of Thai Rak Thai, which won a record 375 out of 500 parliamentary seats in 2005, are alleged to have paid smaller political parties to run in the April 2006 election. Thaksin, who is living in London, said via his lawyer Noppadol Pattama today that he ``would accept any ruling,'' and has already ``made it clear he will leave politics.'' While a number of schools in Bangkok were closed on security concerns today, there were no signs of any large protests in the city, with less than 200 people gathered quietly behind police barriers across the road from the court. Surayud told Thai television before the verdict, which took more than four hours, that the situation is calm throughout the country. Today's ``fair judgment'' will help Thailand ``recover democracy'' through elections in December, Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said in a speech at his party's Bangkok headquarters shortly after the verdict. ``There has been a lot of tension in Thai society because of these cases,'' he said. ``The election will be the best way to solve the country's current problems, both economically and politically.'' To contact the reporters on this story: Beth Jinks in Bangkok at [email protected] Anuchit Nguyen in Bangkok at [email protected] Last Updated: May 30, 2007 07:49 EDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 The Tribunal found former TRT deputy secretary general Pongsak Raktapongpisal and former TRT executive and defence minister Thamarak Isarangura guilty of hiring small parties and changing digital data of the Election Commission as part of the scam. Essentially, they are found guilty of electoral fraud. They face jail if criminal proceedings are initiated against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 The fat lady is starting to feel remarkably melodious. TRT fans, have a stiff drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Evidence, specially regarding alleged tampering with digital EC information to enable otherwise-unqualified candidates to run in the October election, was very strong. 10:35 pm: Recapping again. The Tribunal has ruled that the two other small parties (apart from Progressive Democratic) have received money from Thamarak or his men. The Tribunal rejected TRT claims that Democrat Suthep had manipulated the small parties' candidates into running as TRT nominees. The Tribunal rejected an about-turn by one of the candidates who claimed she was bribed by Suthep to frame TRT. From The Nation {Blog} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Have 3 ... you might need them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbu Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Thai party guilty of poll fraud Thousands of soldiers are on alert in case of unrest after the verdictsA Thai court has found members of the party of ousted PM Thaksin Shinawatra guilty of violating election laws. Two Thai Rak Thai officials were found guilty of bribing two smaller parties to influence the results of last year's election, which was later annulled. The ruling could see the party dissolved and Mr Thaksin barred from political office for five years. Mr Thaksin was ousted in a military coup last September, accused of corruption and abuse of power. This is bad news for the country's main political party and it is still not clear what the full implications of this are, says BBC Asia correspondent Andrew Harding. Individual officials - perhaps 100 or more - could be barred from office for more than five years. In the worst-case scenario, the party itself could be dissolved, he says. Earlier, the same court found that Thailand's oldest party, the Democratic Party, was not guilty of six charges of election fraud. The court ruled that it had not maligned the Thai Rak Thai party during last year's election campaign, and thus would not be forced to disband. Rise and fall Correspondents in the capital, Bangkok, say the situation on the ground seems relatively calm. But thousands of soldiers are on alert in case of unrest following the verdicts. A former Thai Rak Thai deputy had threatened to mobilise thousands of protesters if the court rules against it. Interim Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont, who was installed after Mr Thaksin was overthrown last September, said he would issue an emergency decree if necessary. Thaksin Shinawatra, the wealthy head of a telecommunications empire, founded the Thai Rak Thai (Thai Loves Thai party) in 1998, and its rapid emergence transformed Thai politics. He swept into power in 2001, and became the first prime minister in Thailand's history to lead an elected government through a full four-year term in office. Eighteen months later he was out of office after a military coup, accused of corruption and abuse of power. He now lives in exile in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai_narak Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 the topic is misleading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 the topic is misleading... Premature reporting Thankfully! TRT could still be spared but it is looking ever more doubtful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Another case of the dreaded premature prognostication? Bye Bye Thai Rak Thai "Love isn't always enough ... " Thanks for the memories ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 10:55 pm: Urgent! The Tribunal ruled the TRT must have been aware of Pongsak's and Thamarak's illegal actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 The Constitution Tribunal ruled that former TRT deputy leader Thamarak Isarangura and ex-deputy secretary general Pongsak Ruktapongpisal had hired smaller parties to contest the April elections on behalf of the Thai Rak Thai Party. From The Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 The Tribunal said both men "would have got no benefit" from their illegal actions, which on the other hand benefited the party. Adding the facts that both men were senior party members and key Cabinet ministers, and that Thamarak was in charge of the party's election preparation, there were strong grounds to believe that the party was aware of the alleged fraud. The Tribunal said TRT was desperate to beat the "20 per cent" rule, which required unchallenged candidates to win at least 20 per cent of votes in uncontested constituencies. nation blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Going down.... down.... down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginexile Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) Thaksin come home! Long Live Corruption! WHAT CORRUPTION? Thaksin has never been founf guilty of ANY corruption, despite extensive investigations. Think before you post Edited May 30, 2007 by Totster flame remvoed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solent01 Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Certainly looks that way Jingthing, I feel sorry for TRT............. NOT :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai_narak Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 trt dissolved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 On the basis of what the Judge is now saying I can't see how TRT can survive, to me it looks like the party is to be dissolved. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Thaksin come home! Long Live Corruption! WHAT CORRUPTION? Thaksin has never been founf guilty of ANY corruption, despite extensive investigations. Think before you post you idiot errr better revise that Thaksin has not YET been found guilty ... wait an hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solent01 Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Thaksin come home! Long Live Corruption! WHAT CORRUPTION? Thaksin has never been founf guilty of ANY corruption, despite extensive investigations. Think before you post you idiot Calm down, deep in your heart you know Toxic is as bend as a nine bob note (English saying, sorry, means as currupt as the devil) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) At certain points, the Tribunal sounded almost sympathetic with the TRT regarding the deadlock created by the major parties' boycott. But it's delivering damning ruling on how such illegal activities simply meant trying to acquire parliamentary power, or power to govern the country, through a fraudulent scheme. This, the Tribunal said, would weaken the country's political system and eat into public faith in democracy. "This is hostile action toward Thailand's democratic parliamentary system," the Tribunal said. From The Nation {Blog} /edit add last line// Edited May 30, 2007 by A_Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gust Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 The last 15 minutes clearly say it's over and out for Thais loving each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Traveller Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 (edited) The Constitution Tribunal rules that Thai Rak Thai's election frauds damaged the national order and good morality of the society and violated Article 66 of the constitution. From The Nation /edit typo // Edited May 30, 2007 by A_Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobi Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Going down.... down.... down... It's not over yet. Don't forget the rest of my predictions....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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