LGBTQ+ groups and supporters rally in Bangkok to demand equal rights

[webfact]

 

Thailand’s feminist, LGBTQ+ and pro-democracy groups held exhibitions at Ratchaprasong intersection in Bangkok (Sunday), in support of their joint campaign seeking equal rights for all genders.

 

Those attending the event were invited to sign up in support for their attempt to amend Section 1448 of the Civil and Commercial Code regarding marriage, which states that a marriage is between a man and a woman who are at least 17 years old.

 

The groups, in particular LGBTQ+, are demanding legalisation for and recognition of same-sex marriage, after the Constitutional Court ruled that stating that marriage is between a man and a woman is not unconstitutional. The court also suggested, however, that relevant agencies amend the law to provide equal marriage rights for all genders.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/lgbtq-groups-and-supporters-rally-in-bangkok-to-demand-equal-rights/

 

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[Jingthing]

The T is for transgender.

 

The truth is, away from convenient reactionary red meat code words, LGBT, etc. Thais (and expats involved with them) actually DO lack equal legal and civil rights in Thailand.

That said, I think this group is barking up the wrong tree about full marriage equality at the moment. The high court has just ruled against that here and that is clearly going to stand for the foreseeable future. So given that, it probably makes more sense in the shorter term to advocate for stopgap hopefully stepping stone measures without full marriage equality.

[ChrisY1]

I'm an old Farang....I want equal rights here also!

[nobodysfriend]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

seeking equal rights for all genders.

That should be part of the constitution .

[hotchilli]

30 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said:

I'm an old Farang....I want equal rights here also!

I remember years ago in the UK women burned their bras demanded equal rights to the menfolk.. 

they got their wish granted..

their retirement age was lifted from 60 to 65 in line with men [back then].

sometimes you have to think something through before demanding it.

[tonray]

You get equal rights to the Wat Crematorium when the time comes....as long as you pay your fee

 

[Caldera]

I think the real issue in Thailand is that nobody, the listed minorities obviously included, enjoys equal rights here.

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, Caldera said:

I think the real issue in Thailand is that nobody, the listed minorities obviously included, enjoys equal rights here.

That's cute and really another issue but back to this one you can marry opposite sex here but not same sex. Not equal. Also same sex marriages from abroad involving Thais and or non Thais are not recognized in Thailand.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

I remember years ago in the UK women burned their bras demanded equal rights to the menfolk.. 

they got their wish granted..

their retirement age was lifted from 60 to 65 in line with men [back then].

sometimes you have to think something through before demanding it.

Yes and no.

Marriage is not required.

[arithai12]

LGBTQ+... I had to look it up because my imagination stumbled already on Q.

It seems the whole group would actually include so many letters that the alphabet is running out faster than with Covid variants.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

I'm an old Farang....I want equal rights here also!

Do you want to be hired as a dancer in a gogo bar or what do you desire? 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

LGBTQ+... I had to look it up because my imagination stumbled already on Q.

It seems the whole group would actually include so many letters that the alphabet is running out faster than with Covid variants.

And I really wander if the Ls like the Gs and are also happy with the Bs, Ts, Qs and whatever else.

Do they all tolerate each other? Or only as long as they fight against the common enemy, all those heteroses. 

[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And I really wander if the Ls like the Gs and are also happy with the Bs, Ts, Qs and whatever else.

Do they all tolerate each other? Or only as long as they fight against the common enemy, all those heteroses. 

Enemies? The goal is equality. Not war.

[The Hammer2021]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The T is for transgender.

 

The truth is, away from convenient reactionary red meat code words, LGBT, etc. Thais (and expats involved with them) actually DO lack equal legal and civil rights in Thailand.

That said, I think this group is barking up the wrong tree about full marriage equality at the moment. The high court has just ruled against that here and that is clearly going to stand for the foreseeable future. So given that, it probably makes more sense in the shorter term to advocate for stopgap hopefully stepping stone measures without full marriage equality.

Trans activists have had a very damaging impact on women's rights, girls rights and indeed on the rights of lesbians and guys. Far from being being victims trans activists are acting as reactionary bullies.

[alyx]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

That's cute and really another issue but back to this one you can marry opposite sex here but not same sex. Not equal. Also same sex marriages from abroad involving Thais and or non Thais are not recognized in Thailand.

In an earlier post you are referring tot he high court ruling against same sex marriage: the decision was not made against,  but in accordance with the Constitution.

Amending, or better, as suggested by some groups, creating a new bill will be a difficult path but it is not utopian.

 

I might add that although not officially recognised, it is "accepted" as I have had a few experiences and I was able to exercise my "right" to get official documentation. 

 

Mind you, I will keep you posted later on as we are supposed to go to the bank this afternoon to try to open a joint bank account. This was declined a few months ago as a relationship must be established in order to do so : )

[OneMoreFarang]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Enemies? The goal is equality. Not war.

Really? Sometimes it feels different.

A good example are all those feminists who officially only want to be equal...

 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Really? Sometimes it feels different.

A good example are all those feminists who officially only want to be equal...

 

Must be very painful for you.

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, alyx said:

In an earlier post you are referring tot he high court ruling against same sex marriage: the decision was not made against,  but in accordance with the Constitution.

Amending, or better, as suggested by some groups, creating a new bill will be a difficult path but it is not utopian.

 

I might add that although not officially recognised, it is "accepted" as I have had a few experiences and I was able to exercise my "right" to get official documentation. 

 

Mind you, I will keep you posted later on as we are supposed to go to the bank this afternoon to try to open a joint bank account. This was declined a few months ago as a relationship must be established in order to do so : )

Good luck.

[alyx]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Good luck.

I an not married to a Thai anymore so it is less of a concern to me but it would be nice for the locals though

[Stargeezr]

I am still confused to the term Binary, is that for computers, and such?

  Sorry but I am an old guy who is still trying to get used to all the

other letters.  I know about google, but is is still hard to keep all that new

information in my old brain. LGBTQ, and I have a sister who says that she went through 

some of those phases when she was growing up from a pre tween to and adult, but

figured things out by 21. Life is just not simple anymore. I am glad that I figured out

how to use some functions on my latest smart phone, so life goes on.

[LukKrueng]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

I remember years ago in the UK women burned their bras demanded equal rights to the menfolk.. 

they got their wish granted..

their retirement age was lifted from 60 to 65 in line with men [back then].

sometimes you have to think something through before demanding it.

I've been trying to convince many girls here to burn their bras. No luck so far. Most of them said it's the only way to keep the padding in place ????

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Must be very painful for you.

Not really, I ignore them most of the time.

My point is supposed to be that if they want to be equal then I think it would help them to be less aggressive. They win few hearts and minds by demanding aggressively what they want. 

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Not really, I ignore them most of the time.

My point is supposed to be that if they want to be equal then I think it would help them to be less aggressive. They win few hearts and minds by demanding aggressively what they want. 

You find "them" too uppity?

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You find "them" too uppity?

What gives you that idea?

 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What gives you that idea?

 

Whatever.s

...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/24/pete-buttigieg-presidential-buzz-white-house-523281

 

My point is that specific individuals are only individuals. Nobody represents entire identity groups.

[arithai12]

29 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What gives you that idea?

 

I should not read this forum while digesting.

[KhunLA]

I gave up a long time ago, when they ???? started changing the meaning of pronouns.  How do you even use 'them' or 'they' in a conversation without shaking your head.

Imagine being a sports commentator:

#35 they just passed the ball to #3, and them went for the lay up, but passed to #10, and they shot and was block by them.....W T F

 

Riddle me this from a Gsearch:

 

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by KhunLA

[onthedarkside]

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[RobU]

8 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Trans activists have had a very damaging impact on women's rights, girls rights and indeed on the rights of lesbians and guys. Far from being being victims trans activists are acting as reactionary bullies.

I fully agree with you, they are men with cosmetic surgery (all the surgery is purely cosmetic because they cannot change their XY chromosomes to XX nor can they bear children), often with no surgery at all (still have their male tackle), demanding to use women's toilets and women's refuge's, dressing like women, trying to imitate women but  acting like men bullying and dominating women because women state that there is a biological difference unfortunately they seem to have an unreal amount of influence in the UK and USA.

[Jingthing]

46 minutes ago, RobU said:

I fully agree with you, they are men with cosmetic surgery (all the surgery is purely cosmetic because they cannot change their XY chromosomes to XX nor can they bear children), often with no surgery at all (still have their male tackle), demanding to use women's toilets and women's refuge's, dressing like women, trying to imitate women but  acting like men bullying and dominating women because women state that there is a biological difference unfortunately they seem to have an unreal amount of influence in the UK and USA.

If they're so powerful why are they murdered so often?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/11/375-transgender-people-murdered-in-2021-deadliest-year-since-records-began/?sh=4ba33219321c

Edited November 29, 2021 by Jingthing