Visa Exemption, can I reentry on Tourist Visa?

[PrettyPaul]

Hi
I'm a Portuguese passport holder. I want to go to Phuket sandbox, get my Thai partner to visit Dubai expo together, and return to Thailand after 1 week.

 

Before departure I planning taking a tourist visa, but with the arrival only starting when I arrive from Dubai. 

 

I'm planning arriving to Thailand on Visa exemption > Go to Dubai during 1 week > come back to Thailand with the Tourist visa (the one I applied on my home country before leaving).

 

Is that possible? 

Entering with exemption visa doesn't automatically cancel my future tourist visa? Is it still valid after entering with visa exemption?

How about Thailand pass? Can I apply to a new one again as soon I arrive to Thailand?

 

Or better give up on this Dubai dream...?

I'll be glad hearing your opinions.
Thanks

[PrettyPaul]

Entering Thailand on exemption visa, can I leave and re-enter again on exemption visa?

Edited January 14, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[SheikYabodyline]

If you have a TV in your passport when you arrive first time, I'm pretty sure the immigration officer will not allow you to enter on a visa waiver, i.e. he will make you use your TV first. Only if you have no visa granting entry to the Kingdom in your passport will he stamp you in on visa waiver. But best check with your home Thai embassy to make sure.

[PrettyPaul]

Thanks!
So the only option...  can I leave and reenter the kingdom on exemption Visa? 

[ubonjoe]

If your tourist visa is used when you enter the country you you could get a single re-entry permit (1000 baht) to keep the remainder to the 60 day from it valid when you enter using it.

[DrJack54]

What ubonjoe said OR 

Enter each time using visa exempt entry. What's the point of tourist visa.

BTW I assume you have looked into the requirements to enter Thailand even using Phuket sandbox. 

 

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, PrettyPaul said:

Entering Thailand on exemption visa, can I leave and re-enter again on exemption visa?

Yes

[PrettyPaul]

Thank to so much! I'm aware of all the sandbox requirements. What I don't understand is the visa applications, and this has been extremely stressful experience for me and my partner. 

We want to marry and be together but the more information we gather the more we are lost.

 

The current plan is:

 

- 24th February arrival to Phuket on tourist visa

- Apply to ED Visa on school and apply for reentry permit 

- 20th March departure to Dubai 

- 26th March arrival again in Thailand 

 

I can't change from tourist visa or ED visa to Marriage visa right? 

 

So the best way is Exemption visa > ED Visa > 90 Day Non Immigrant Visa > Marriage  right? 

 

I think better hire Siam legal services... 

 

Thanks 

Edited January 15, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[DrJack54]

21 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Thank to so much! I'm aware of all the sandbox requirements. What I don't understand is the visa applications, and this has been extremely stressful experience for me and my partner. 

We want to marry and be together but the more information we gather the more we are lost.

 

The current plan is:

 

- 24th February arrival to Phuket on tourist visa

- Apply to ED Visa on school and apply for reentry permit 

- 20th March departure to Dubai 

- 26th March arrival again in Thailand 

 

I can't change from tourist visa or ED visa to Marriage visa right? 

 

So the best way is Exemption visa > ED Visa > 90 Day Non Immigrant Visa > Marriage  right? 

 

I think better hire Siam legal services... 

 

Thanks 

IMO your plan has some unnecessary steps.

I would try and avoid the non O education.

After your married you would be able to obtain a non O based on marriage. That can be done inside Thailand. 

Your issue is to buy time from your entry into Thailand (after Dubai) till when your married and can obtain the non O.

Hopefully covid extensions will continue and that will be knowm around Jan 25.

If they are extended you could use those until married.

Covid extensions allow for 60 day stay.

Visa exempt entry can be extended by 30 days.

 

BTW you mention Siam Legal.

They can assist you opening a bank account. Not simple without agent on visa exempt entry. Not expensive.

As for the non O and annual extension you can do that yourself.

Assume your under 50? 

Edited January 15, 2022 by DrJack54

[PrettyPaul]

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

IMO your plan has some unnecessary steps.

I would try and avoid the non O education.

After your married you would be able to obtain a non O based on marriage. That can be done inside Thailand. 

Your issue is to buy time from your entry into Thailand (after Dubai) till when your married and can obtain the non O.

Hopefully covid extensions will continue and that will be knowm around Jan 25.

If they are extended you could use those until married.

Covid extensions allow for 60 day stay.

Visa exempt entry can be extended by 30 days.

 

BTW you mention Siam Legal.

They can assist you opening a bank account. Not simple without agent on visa exempt entry. Not expensive.

As for the non O and annual extension you can do that yourself.

Assume your under 50? 

Thanks that was very helpful indeed. 

 

I though the non O was a requirement to get the marriage visa. 

 

But now I understand I only need the non O requirements, not the visa it self right? 

 

Regarding the Dubai trip, and Education school say I can get ED visa before I go, and when I come back there's still time to get approved on ED visa. 

 

They say it will take 3 weeks. 

 

But I think I can change the Dubai trip 1 week earlier. 

So after I come from Dubai I still have 1 month and 1 week to wait for ED Visa approval... 

 

I'm 39

Edited January 15, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[Lite Beer]

5 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Thanks that was very helpful indeed. 

 

I though the non O was a requirement to get the marriage visa. 

 

 

You are not applying for a Marriage Visa.

You are applying for a 12 month extension of stay based on having a Thai Wife.

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Thanks that was very helpful indeed. 

 

I though the non O was a requirement to get the marriage visa. 

 

But now I understand I only need the non O requirements, not the visa it self right? 

 

Regarding the Dubai trip, and Education school say I can get ED visa before I go, and when I come back there's still time to get approved on ED visa. 

 

They say it will take 3 weeks. 

 

But I think I can change the Dubai trip 1 week earlier. 

So after I come from Dubai I still have 1 month and 1 week to wait for ED Visa approval... 

 

I'm 39

Think of your marriage being separate from the non O.

You don't need any visa to get married.

Of course to obtain the non O marriage you need to be married. 

(I asked your age as retirement would have been option if 50+)

Up to you regarding the ED.

You don't want to learn Thai (it's to buy time) think better options available. 

Covid extensions will/should be extended. 

 

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

You are not applying for a Marriage Visa.

You are applying for a 12 month extension of stay based on having a Thai Wife.

He doesn't have a non O marriage.

The extension is way down the track.

His steps are

 1. get married

 2. Obtain Non O based on marriage.

 3. Obtain 12 month extension. 

Edited January 15, 2022 by DrJack54

[PrettyPaul]

Thank you all.

 

I actually do want to learn, and of course, the 3 month stay will be very handy. 

 

 

 

So after I marry it is better to get the non O visa rather then a marriage visa. 

Thanks 

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Thank you all.

 

I actually do want to learn, and of course, the 3 month stay will be very handy. 

 

 

 

So after I marry it is better to get the non O visa rather then a marriage visa. 

Thanks 

What your calling a marriage visa is actually a Non O based on marriage.

True it is a visa. 

Most guys here if you ask them about situation of living in Thailand their reply would be ....

"I have a retirement visa" or "I have marriage visa"

What they actually have is extensions to their permission of stay based on marriage or based on retirement.

I mentioned your steps above.

Get married

Obtain Non O marriage (90 day permit) 

Obtain 12 month extension. 

your ED is to buy time for marriage etc.

I think there are better options. 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2022 by DrJack54

[PrettyPaul]

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

What your calling a marriage visa is actually a Non O based on marriage.

True it is a visa. 

Most guys here if you ask them about situation of living in Thailand their reply would be ....

"I have a retirement visa" or "I have marriage visa"

What they actually have is extensions to their permission of stay based on marriage or based on retirement.

I mentioned your steps above.

Get married

Obtain Non O 

Obtain 12 month extension. 

your ED is to buy time for marriage etc.

I think there are better options. 

 

 

Thank you so much! 

 

But I still don't get what you mean with better options... You mean after tourist visa and extension visa expire, I do a visa run? Apply for visa in a nearby country? 

 

My embassy says most countries will not grant a visa to non nationals. Need to confirm on embassies. 

Last thing I want is to go back to Europe just to apply again... 

Edited January 15, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Thank you so much! 

 

But I still don't get what you mean with better options... You mean after tourist visa and extension visa expire, I do a visa run? Apply for visa in a nearby country? 

 

My embassy says most countries will not grant a visa to non nationals. Need to confirm on embassies. 

Last thing I want is to go back to Europe just to apply again... 

No. Border runs not possible. 

Nor is exit and reenter by air. Not practical.

I would enter Thailand visa exempt both times.

This is down to you only being out of Thailand for one week.

I get your plan of having the tourist visa in back pocket and obtaining visa exempt then using the tourist visa to enter from Dubai. 

Nice plan but won't work. 

You could ask the io to do that but most likely will stamp you in for 60 days. If that happened you could but a reentry permit for your one week trip.

Forget that. 

After return to Thailand from Dubai enter visa exempt and the use covid extensions to buy time for marriage. 

If you plan in advance re marriage etc you would only need one covid extension to give you time to obtain the non O.

For non O you would need 400k baht in bank on the day you apply. That non O gives you a 90 day stamp that in turn is plenty of time to season the money in bank for 2 months to obtain you 12 month extension (permission of stay).

BTW after the final stamp for your extension you can use the 400k as you choose. 

FWIW ...That trip to Dubai must be important. Making easy hard imo.

If not for that trip you could enter with a tourist visa.

TV can be extended by 30 days. 

90 days is enough to get married and obtain your non O if organized.

Use agent for bank account.

[PrettyPaul]

6 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

No. Border runs not possible. 

Nor is exit and reenter by air. Not practical.

I would enter Thailand visa exempt both times.

This is down to you only being out of Thailand for one week.

I get your plan of having the tourist visa in back pocket and obtaining visa exempt then using the tourist visa to enter from Dubai. 

Nice plan but won't work. 

You could ask the io to do that but most likely will stamp you in for 60 days. If that happened you could but a reentry permit for your one week trip.

Forget that. 

After return to Thailand from Dubai enter visa exempt and the use covid extensions to buy time for marriage. 

If you plan in advance re marriage etc you would only need one covid extension to give you time to obtain the non O.

For non O you would need 400k baht in bank on the day you apply. That non O gives you a 90 day stamp that in turn is plenty of time to season the money in bank for 2 months to obtain you 12 month extension (permission of stay).

BTW after the final stamp for your extension you can use the 400k as you choose. 

FWIW ...That trip to Dubai must be important. Making easy hard imo.

If not for that trip you could enter with a tourist visa.

TV can be extended by 30 days. 

90 days is enough to get married and obtain your non O if organized.

Use agent for bank account.

I simply thought It would be possible and easy getting a re-entry permit on tourist visa. I felt confident about it and didn't give anymore thought about it. Easy peasy I thought.

And from there I would just get an ED Visa, bank account etc...

 

Yes Dubai was... is a dream and a lot of effort went into planning it.

I'm very close to give up on the Dubai dream and just enter on tourist visa and stay in Thailand

 

But just yesterday I was watching Expo TV and there was a big message on the video projection on the al wasl plaza about the word "Impossibe"... So I keep receiving signs that I shouldn't give up now  ????

 

Monday I have appointment with my embassy to give them my passport and pay, as my visa was pre approved.

Still not sure If I just gave up and go with tourist visa or don't give up and go visa exemption route.

Something I need to decide in the next 48h...

 

For the bank account I assumed I rent 1 year place to get the Tabien baan and open account on Bangkok bank, like this guy did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRW5Cv0tvBs

I still want to learn Thai for several reasons besides the visa.

Thank you so much everyone and Jack, that was 10x more helpful them my embassy. Really appreciate!

Edited January 15, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[DrJack54]

25 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Monday I have appointment with my embassy to give them my passport and pay, as my visa was pre approved.

I didn't realize that you had the tourist in the bag so to speak.

Changes things a little. 

I would obtain the TV.

Buy a reentry permit at the airport when you fly out to Dabui.

When you reenter your stamp date will be till your reentry permit date.

Before that expires you will obtain a 30 day extension.

During all this period you can try and organize your non O education.

As I've mentioned several times I believe covid extensions will continue and that 60 day extension would be enough to organize the rest and better option than ED.

You would need to be organized.

You can always do a snap wedding and have a flash one later.

To be honest I didn't even look at your video for bank account.

(will later out of interest) 

Using an agent for this saves time and effort. Check with Siam Legal or any visa agent. 

Best of luck. 

 

Edit: so I watched your video re opening Bank account. 

As you can see the guy had numerous knock backs. 

Didn't even bother watching till the end. 

Even things such as embassy letter that he mentioned all takes time. You don't have that. 

Use an agent..plan in advance and you can get that straight away.

BTW you certainly don't need an account with a credit card as in video. 

First part of video re exchange currency.....yes SuperRich Green is the best.

Not to be confused with SuperRich orange. 

Edited January 15, 2022 by DrJack54

[SteveAZ]

Think you are best off asking a Thai lawyer and pay them a small fee for the correct advise. Just Google one.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, SteveAZ said:

Think you are best off asking a Thai lawyer and pay them a small fee for the correct advise. Just Google one.

The advice is simple since the rules and options are simple.

 

Money for advice from lawyer!....  is that a joke. 

 

[PrettyPaul]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

 

 

Edit: so I watched your video re opening Bank account. 

As you can see the guy had numerous knock backs. 

Didn't even bother watching till the end. 

 

Well but the answer was right at the end around 07:55
As the employee said, just need letter from embassy and passport.
 

I checked online and it seemed to confirm the Bangkok Bank is the only one, or at least the easiest one, to open an account during tourist visa.

Edited January 15, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

Well but the answer was right at the end around 07:55
As the employee said, just need letter from embassy and passport.
 

I checked online and it seemed to confirm the Bangkok Bank is the only one, or at least the easiest one, to open an account during tourist visa.

By all means you can pursue that.

I live here and have annual extensions. Not that long ago I wanted to open FD account with Bangkok Bank. 

They wanted residence certificate or embassy letter. BTW my embassy does even supply that.

Be warned that obtaining that from embassy in Bangkok can take time. 

A residence certificate in Bangkok required a 90 day report, which you would not have. 

Even then that certificate can take up to 2 weeks from MTT.

Bangkok Bank also wanted something from my Oz bank.

Complete joke. 

Use an agent. 

 

[PrettyPaul]

One more question...
How about the proof of accommodation for my partner Thailand Pass?
Do I simply ask the hotel to include also my partners name on the accommodation certificate, and use same certificate on both Passes?

And can I apply to Thailand pass while still on Thailand?
Because  1 week in Dubai might be enough time for approval
Thanks

Edited January 15, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, PrettyPaul said:

And can I apply to Thailand pass while still on Thailand?

Yes.

Regarding entry requirements, I'm not across that so hopefully someone who has actually gone through the process can advise.

Also in current threads there is lot of information and couple of recent "reports".

Here is a link to start your research.

https://tp.consular.go.th/en/plan

[PrettyPaul]

On 1/15/2022 at 12:04 AM, ubonjoe said:

If your tourist visa is used when you enter the country you you could get a single re-entry permit (1000 baht) to keep the remainder to the 60 day from it valid when you enter using it.

Hi. Just just received this mail from Alpha Language school saying I couldn't get re-entry permit... 

 

"We can start with the documents just after you arrival then you will.travel then you will get visa on arrival when you return and in this moment we will start to apply.for your Ed visa.

That is possible too."  

 

But the VOA is only 15 days... I think is a too small window even applying before going to dubai... 

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

But the VOA is only 15 days... I think is a too small window even applying before going to dubai...

Some folk and organizations use the term visa on arrival incorrectly.

Sometimes what they mean is 30 day permission of stay given on arrival. 

Nothing to do with V.O.A

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

"We can start with the documents just after you arrival then you will.travel then you will get visa on arrival when you return and in this moment we will start to apply.for your Ed visa.

That is possible too."  

But the VOA is only 15 days... I think is a too small window even applying before going to dubai... 

I think they are incorrectly calling a visa exempt entry that allows a 30 day stay with a visa on arrival.

What is there reasoning for not getting a reentry permit. I would guess that would allow more than a 30 day stay and then it can still be extended for 30 days.

[PrettyPaul]

 

On 1/15/2022 at 9:57 AM, DrJack54 said:

Buy a reentry permit at the airport when you fly out to Dabui.

When you reenter your stamp date will be till your reentry permit date.

Before that expires you will obtain a 30 day extension.

 

Dear friend, my embassy just said I could not enter Thailand if I leave Thailand. 
Even if I got re-entry permit my tourist Visa would become invalid.

 

Also, she said It's impossible a school to grant me an ED visa.
That there isn't one singe Language school in Thailand that can provide me an ED Visa. 

And she strongly advice me to not see any money, that I would lose my money and get no visa.

(I felt I shouldn't told her that I see youtubers getting ED visa all the time)

 

She seemed very knowledge and responsible... why is she trying to discourage me?

Edited January 19, 2022 by PrettyPaul

[DrJack54]

18 minutes ago, PrettyPaul said:

my embassy just said I could not enter Thailand if I leave Thailand. 

Portugal.

Don't think that lady knows what she is talking about.

In any event thinking this is going round in circles.

My thinking is forget the Dubai thing .

Round peg into square hole. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by DrJack54