Cabinet divisions break out over U.K. plan to override Brexit treaty

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You must realise that situations change and if a Political party in Ireland wins an election , they may want something different to the previous Government, and so something needs to change .

   This is caused by the Irish electing a troublesome  Political party , instead of an agreeable one 

you mean "agreeable" to the tories,  correct  555

[TropicalGuy]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where are these checks taking place? Who’s making these checks?

 

Trade between the UK and NI is direct, it doesn’t go through EU territory.

Seriously ? You don’t know that EU Inspectors on UK soil are doing these silly unnecessary “checks” physically when could be done digitally with no delays ? 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Unionists are understandably Politicking against Protocol & IRA but Bad EU responsible too.
 

Both Solved by dissolving (all) UK Devolved Parliaments & legally ditching NI Protocol. Let these disparate people argue in NI etc. local council & institution chambers not at national level. 

The UK is not going to dissolve ‘Devolved Parliaments’, Washington had already given instruction on the matter.

 

Which begs a question; How’s your ‘sovereignty’ working out.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, TropicalGuy said:

Seriously ? You don’t know that EU Inspectors on UK soil are doing these silly unnecessary “checks” physically when could be done digitally with no delays ? 

Brexit removed the UK’s rights to trade with the EU without import/export controls, you got what you voted for, ‘third nation trading rights’.

 

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, thats right .

The E.U is causing problems between the U.K.,  Northern Ireland and Ireland .

care to explain and provide supporting data

[Mavideol]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I thought Brexit was done?

 

 

any deals with boris are never done as he never respects any

[TropicalGuy]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK is not going to dissolve ‘Devolved Parliaments’, Washington had already given instruction on the matter.

 

Which begs a question; How’s your ‘sovereignty’ working out.

Seriously ? Putting sovereignty in speech marks as mockery is poor & unworthy. UK clearly not ruled by USA if that’s your point..Sovereignty a real & critical concept. Ask Ukraine about that ????

 

…..Sole reason in fact why I voted Leave.Actual Economics of Leaving too complicated back in 2016 although Principles of Free Trade / Lower Prices made sense).
 

Couldn’t care less about any short term Leaving difficulties made by others. ???????????????? Sorted over Time.

[TropicalGuy]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexit removed the UK’s rights to trade with the EU without import/export controls, you got what you voted for, ‘third nation trading rights’.

 

Yes but “reasonably” executed not vindictively, contrary to express treaty provisions. 

[Mavideol]

58 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nobody is talking of Empire Rob, except maybe you and your extreme views on The British.

 

Believing Boris Johnson sometimes tells lies and believing that Britain is better out of the EU federalist project is not mutually exclusive. Most voters knew that both sides in 2016 were exaggerating the benefits/drawbacks of leaving the EU and made their own mind up.

and you came out with that conclusion how

[Mavideol]

16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Seriously ? You don’t know that EU Inspectors on UK soil are doing these silly unnecessary “checks” physically when could be done digitally with no delays ? 

so you want the same rights as if you were in the EU but without being in the EU, you decided to leave thus have to accept the good and the bad that comes out of it, shouldn't expect any special treatment just because you are the UK

[TropicalGuy]

10 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

care to explain and provide supporting data

Yes. 20% all EU checks done in NI alone.NI population 0.5% EU. Get the picture ? 

https://factcheckni.org/topics/economy/do-20-of-eu-customs-checks-take-place-in-the-irish-sea/

 

read whole link not just the silly conclusion 

[TropicalGuy]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and you came out with that conclusion how

Clearly an “ opinion” which needs no necessary links etc. 

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Yes. 20% all EU checks done in NI alone.NI population 0.5% EU. Get the picture ? 

https://factcheckni.org/topics/economy/do-20-of-eu-customs-checks-take-place-in-the-irish-sea/

 

read whole link not just the silly conclusion 

is this a reliable source? if so why is the data not confirmed, below is the statement from your link, just in case feel free to check the definition  ....

unsubstantiated

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• 1. not supported or proven by evidence: "unsubstantiated claims"  

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It is unclear how this figure was calculated. Neither the DUP, DAERA nor the European Commission could confirm the figure.

[Mavideol]

5 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Clearly an “ opinion” which needs no necessary links etc. 

555 ..... 555  don't you think that if people knew the reality and the potential draw backs of the brexit they would have agreed with it, please keep your opinion just to yourself, don't assume are people would have the same (opinion) as yours, not good to put words on somebody else's mouth

[TropicalGuy]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

so you want the same rights as if you were in the EU but without being in the EU, you decided to leave thus have to accept the good and the bad that comes out of it, shouldn't expect any special treatment just because you are the UK

We don’t but we expect / require “ reasonable” respectful treatment per Treaty.
 

There is no “ bad” to being a sovereign nation only short term difficulties in this case made by others. UK gladly pays any such price.

 

Moreover we decline to be ruled from Brussels by some unelected drunk anti- UK tosser from silly toy town countries like Luxembourg.????????

[Chomper Higgot]

Here’s a real ‘Imports Inspection’ problem.

 

The UK has failed to prepare for inspections at the EU/UK border, there are insufficient staff, insufficient facilities, insufficient procedures.

 

There is no obligation on any EU nation to inspect goods leaving or transiting through their territory to the UK.

 

Goods entering the EU to an EU nation final destination from ‘third nations’ are inspected at the first EU port of entry. (See example of goods arriving from UK to EU).

 

Goods arriving at any EU port from any ‘third nation’ that are destined for the UK are not being inspected by any EU nation, and they are almost certainly not being inspected by the UK’s inadequate customs inspections when they arrive in the UK.

 

The UK has almost no customs inspections on goods arriving from the EU or more worryingly goods shipped via the EU.

 

The UK’s borders are to all practical considerations open to smugglers.

 

Now what was all that about ’Control of our boarders’?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Seriously ? Putting sovereignty in speech marks as mockery is poor & unworthy. UK clearly not ruled by USA if that’s your point..Sovereignty a real & critical concept. Ask Ukraine about that ????

 

…..Sole reason in fact why I voted Leave.Actual Economics of Leaving too complicated back in 2016 although Principles of Free Trade / Lower Prices made sense).
 

Couldn’t care less about any short term Leaving difficulties made by others. ???????????????? Sorted over Time.

Try to come to terms with the reality, Washington is dictating to the UK the limits of what the UK can and cannot do wrt NI and the Good Friday Agreement.

 

How are your prices going?

[TropicalGuy]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

is this a reliable source? if so why is the data not confirmed, below is the statement from your link, just in case feel free to check the definition  ....

unsubstantiated

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adjective

• 1. not supported or proven by evidence: "unsubstantiated claims"  

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UNSUBSTANTIATED

It is unclear how this figure was calculated. Neither the DUP, DAERA nor the European Commission could confirm the figure.

That’s why I said read the whole article including statements by UK Agricultural Minister forming the clear basis for the 20% figure????????

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Yes but “reasonably” executed not vindictively, contrary to express treaty provisions. 

Please point out which treaty provisions have been breached?

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

We don’t but we expect / require “ reasonable” respectful treatment per Treaty.
 

There is no “ bad” to being a sovereign nation only short term difficulties in this case made by others. UK gladly pays any such price.

 

Moreover we decline to be ruled from Brussels by some unelected drunk anti- UK tosser from silly toy town countries like Luxembourg.????????

your post don't make any sense, not worth my time

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

That’s why I said read the whole article including statements by UK Agricultural Minister forming the clear basis for the 20% figure????????

you really expected the UK Agricultural Minister to say something different, come on get real and accept/ respect the agreements

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Clearly an “ opinion” which needs no necessary links etc. 

That would be a baseless opinion.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

We don’t but we expect / require “ reasonable” respectful treatment per Treaty.
 

There is no “ bad” to being a sovereign nation only short term difficulties in this case made by others. UK gladly pays any such price.

 

Moreover we decline to be ruled from Brussels by some unelected drunk anti- UK tosser from silly toy town countries like Luxembourg.????????

So why all the moaning?

[Phoenix Rising]

34 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

This “concept” exists only in the minds of bitter EU -adoring Remainers ???????? Brexit about UK Independence not “ Empire”. 
As if EU is not an empire with super- state pretensions!!????????????

This might shock you but your liberal use of capital letters doesn't make your posts more believable, quite the contrary.

In about 10 years, when the UK is back in the EU fold, we will all look back on this period of temporary Brit insanity and shake out heads, and historians will in the future probably refer to this time as "The Lost Years".

Looking forward to your next referendum!

 

[LoeiI]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make .

Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . 

  Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty 

Sounds more like a Fat Lying Incompetent Buffoon who'd say and do anything to deflect attention from his own inadequacies, you'd think listening to the duplicitous oaf the Brexit deal is all new to him, he actually agreed and signed it, there is and was always going to be a border between the UK and the EU either in the Irish sea or between Northern and Southern Ireland I wonder which part of that did the dozy fat T!t didn't quite get ?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

This might shock you but your liberal use of capital letters doesn't make your posts more believable, quite the contrary.

In about 10 years, when the UK is back in the EU fold, we will all look back on this period of temporary Brit insanity and shake out heads, and historians will in the future probably refer to this time as "The Lost Years".

Looking forward to your next referendum!

 

The most sensible solution is re-join the Customs Union, but the ERG won’t stand for that, so UK citizens and UK businesses must pay the price.

[candide]

Too late

[LoeiI]

12 hours ago, TropicalGuy said:

Time now to revoke the UK Devolved Parliaments. All these little regional tinpot bureaucrats have proven completely useless in governing even their tiny regions WITH central UK Budget support. Just look at the massive decline of services in Scotland after 15 years of SNP governing ! ????Now this business with Stormont. Enough. 

Yeah damn democracy, are you a soldier by the way ?

[TropicalGuy]

36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s a real ‘Imports Inspection’ problem.

 

The UK has failed to prepare for inspections at the EU/UK border, there are insufficient staff, insufficient facilities, insufficient procedures.

 

There is no obligation on any EU nation to inspect goods leaving or transiting through their territory to the UK.

 

Goods entering the EU to an EU nation final destination from ‘third nations’ are inspected at the first EU port of entry. (See example of goods arriving from UK to EU).

 

Goods arriving at any EU port from any ‘third nation’ that are destined for the UK are not being inspected by any EU nation, and they are almost certainly not being inspected by the UK’s inadequate customs inspections when they arrive in the UK.

 

The UK has almost no customs inspections on goods arriving from the EU or more worryingly goods shipped via the EU.

 

The UK’s borders are to all practical considerations open to smugglers.

 

Now what was all that about ’Control of our boarders’?

 

 

No interest in Customs Procedures only Outcome & Political Fix.

[TropicalGuy]

32 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

you really expected the UK Agricultural Minister to say something different, come on get real and accept/ respect the agreements

What he said has accountable factual basis.He is not to be lightly dismissed like some emotionally- driven “ no value” Twitter muppet. 

I have shown that EU is not respecting UK or Treaty but you and others are impervious to Reason & Facts, for reasons of emotional political narrative. Life is Bloody Difficult. Get Real. Anyway you are Dismissed. ????