Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You must realise that situations change and if a Political party in Ireland wins an election , they may want something different to the previous Government, and so something needs to change . This is caused by the Irish electing a troublesome Political party , instead of an agreeable one you mean "agreeable" to the tories, correct 555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Where are these checks taking place? Who’s making these checks? Trade between the UK and NI is direct, it doesn’t go through EU territory. Seriously ? You don’t know that EU Inspectors on UK soil are doing these silly unnecessary “checks” physically when could be done digitally with no delays ? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Unionists are understandably Politicking against Protocol & IRA but Bad EU responsible too. Both Solved by dissolving (all) UK Devolved Parliaments & legally ditching NI Protocol. Let these disparate people argue in NI etc. local council & institution chambers not at national level. The UK is not going to dissolve ‘Devolved Parliaments’, Washington had already given instruction on the matter. Which begs a question; How’s your ‘sovereignty’ working out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 Just now, TropicalGuy said: Seriously ? You don’t know that EU Inspectors on UK soil are doing these silly unnecessary “checks” physically when could be done digitally with no delays ? Brexit removed the UK’s rights to trade with the EU without import/export controls, you got what you voted for, ‘third nation trading rights’. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, thats right . The E.U is causing problems between the U.K., Northern Ireland and Ireland . care to explain and provide supporting data 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: I thought Brexit was done? any deals with boris are never done as he never respects any 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: The UK is not going to dissolve ‘Devolved Parliaments’, Washington had already given instruction on the matter. Which begs a question; How’s your ‘sovereignty’ working out. Seriously ? Putting sovereignty in speech marks as mockery is poor & unworthy. UK clearly not ruled by USA if that’s your point..Sovereignty a real & critical concept. Ask Ukraine about that ???? …..Sole reason in fact why I voted Leave.Actual Economics of Leaving too complicated back in 2016 although Principles of Free Trade / Lower Prices made sense). Couldn’t care less about any short term Leaving difficulties made by others. ???????????????? Sorted over Time. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Brexit removed the UK’s rights to trade with the EU without import/export controls, you got what you voted for, ‘third nation trading rights’. Yes but “reasonably” executed not vindictively, contrary to express treaty provisions. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Nobody is talking of Empire Rob, except maybe you and your extreme views on The British. Believing Boris Johnson sometimes tells lies and believing that Britain is better out of the EU federalist project is not mutually exclusive. Most voters knew that both sides in 2016 were exaggerating the benefits/drawbacks of leaving the EU and made their own mind up. and you came out with that conclusion how 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Seriously ? You don’t know that EU Inspectors on UK soil are doing these silly unnecessary “checks” physically when could be done digitally with no delays ? so you want the same rights as if you were in the EU but without being in the EU, you decided to leave thus have to accept the good and the bad that comes out of it, shouldn't expect any special treatment just because you are the UK 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mavideol said: care to explain and provide supporting data Yes. 20% all EU checks done in NI alone.NI population 0.5% EU. Get the picture ? https://factcheckni.org/topics/economy/do-20-of-eu-customs-checks-take-place-in-the-irish-sea/ read whole link not just the silly conclusion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mavideol said: and you came out with that conclusion how Clearly an “ opinion” which needs no necessary links etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Yes. 20% all EU checks done in NI alone.NI population 0.5% EU. Get the picture ? https://factcheckni.org/topics/economy/do-20-of-eu-customs-checks-take-place-in-the-irish-sea/ read whole link not just the silly conclusion is this a reliable source? if so why is the data not confirmed, below is the statement from your link, just in case feel free to check the definition .... unsubstantiated /ˌʌnsəbˈstanʃɪeɪtɪd/ adjective 1. not supported or proven by evidence: "unsubstantiated claims" Rating UNSUBSTANTIATED It is unclear how this figure was calculated. Neither the DUP, DAERA nor the European Commission could confirm the figure. Edited June 10, 2022 by Mavideol 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Clearly an “ opinion” which needs no necessary links etc. 555 ..... 555 don't you think that if people knew the reality and the potential draw backs of the brexit they would have agreed with it, please keep your opinion just to yourself, don't assume are people would have the same (opinion) as yours, not good to put words on somebody else's mouth Edited June 10, 2022 by Mavideol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Mavideol said: so you want the same rights as if you were in the EU but without being in the EU, you decided to leave thus have to accept the good and the bad that comes out of it, shouldn't expect any special treatment just because you are the UK We don’t but we expect / require “ reasonable” respectful treatment per Treaty. There is no “ bad” to being a sovereign nation only short term difficulties in this case made by others. UK gladly pays any such price. Moreover we decline to be ruled from Brussels by some unelected drunk anti- UK tosser from silly toy town countries like Luxembourg.???????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 Here’s a real ‘Imports Inspection’ problem. The UK has failed to prepare for inspections at the EU/UK border, there are insufficient staff, insufficient facilities, insufficient procedures. There is no obligation on any EU nation to inspect goods leaving or transiting through their territory to the UK. Goods entering the EU to an EU nation final destination from ‘third nations’ are inspected at the first EU port of entry. (See example of goods arriving from UK to EU). Goods arriving at any EU port from any ‘third nation’ that are destined for the UK are not being inspected by any EU nation, and they are almost certainly not being inspected by the UK’s inadequate customs inspections when they arrive in the UK. The UK has almost no customs inspections on goods arriving from the EU or more worryingly goods shipped via the EU. The UK’s borders are to all practical considerations open to smugglers. Now what was all that about ’Control of our boarders’? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Seriously ? Putting sovereignty in speech marks as mockery is poor & unworthy. UK clearly not ruled by USA if that’s your point..Sovereignty a real & critical concept. Ask Ukraine about that ???? …..Sole reason in fact why I voted Leave.Actual Economics of Leaving too complicated back in 2016 although Principles of Free Trade / Lower Prices made sense). Couldn’t care less about any short term Leaving difficulties made by others. ???????????????? Sorted over Time. Try to come to terms with the reality, Washington is dictating to the UK the limits of what the UK can and cannot do wrt NI and the Good Friday Agreement. How are your prices going? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mavideol said: is this a reliable source? if so why is the data not confirmed, below is the statement from your link, just in case feel free to check the definition .... unsubstantiated /ˌʌnsəbˈstanʃɪeɪtɪd/ adjective 1. not supported or proven by evidence: "unsubstantiated claims" Rating UNSUBSTANTIATED It is unclear how this figure was calculated. Neither the DUP, DAERA nor the European Commission could confirm the figure. That’s why I said read the whole article including statements by UK Agricultural Minister forming the clear basis for the 20% figure???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Yes but “reasonably” executed not vindictively, contrary to express treaty provisions. Please point out which treaty provisions have been breached? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: We don’t but we expect / require “ reasonable” respectful treatment per Treaty. There is no “ bad” to being a sovereign nation only short term difficulties in this case made by others. UK gladly pays any such price. Moreover we decline to be ruled from Brussels by some unelected drunk anti- UK tosser from silly toy town countries like Luxembourg.???????? your post don't make any sense, not worth my time 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: That’s why I said read the whole article including statements by UK Agricultural Minister forming the clear basis for the 20% figure???????? you really expected the UK Agricultural Minister to say something different, come on get real and accept/ respect the agreements 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: Clearly an “ opinion” which needs no necessary links etc. That would be a baseless opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: We don’t but we expect / require “ reasonable” respectful treatment per Treaty. There is no “ bad” to being a sovereign nation only short term difficulties in this case made by others. UK gladly pays any such price. Moreover we decline to be ruled from Brussels by some unelected drunk anti- UK tosser from silly toy town countries like Luxembourg.???????? So why all the moaning? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phoenix Rising Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: This “concept” exists only in the minds of bitter EU -adoring Remainers ???????? Brexit about UK Independence not “ Empire”. As if EU is not an empire with super- state pretensions!!???????????? This might shock you but your liberal use of capital letters doesn't make your posts more believable, quite the contrary. In about 10 years, when the UK is back in the EU fold, we will all look back on this period of temporary Brit insanity and shake out heads, and historians will in the future probably refer to this time as "The Lost Years". Looking forward to your next referendum! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LoeiI Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Seems to be a tough and difficult choice to make . Either stick with the E.U regulations and risk Northern Ireland leaving the U.K and joining Ireland , or ignoring the E.U regulations . Once again, its the E.U interfering with the U.Ks sovereignty Sounds more like a Fat Lying Incompetent Buffoon who'd say and do anything to deflect attention from his own inadequacies, you'd think listening to the duplicitous oaf the Brexit deal is all new to him, he actually agreed and signed it, there is and was always going to be a border between the UK and the EU either in the Irish sea or between Northern and Southern Ireland I wonder which part of that did the dozy fat T!t didn't quite get ? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said: This might shock you but your liberal use of capital letters doesn't make your posts more believable, quite the contrary. In about 10 years, when the UK is back in the EU fold, we will all look back on this period of temporary Brit insanity and shake out heads, and historians will in the future probably refer to this time as "The Lost Years". Looking forward to your next referendum! The most sensible solution is re-join the Customs Union, but the ERG won’t stand for that, so UK citizens and UK businesses must pay the price. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) Too late Edited June 10, 2022 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LoeiI Posted June 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2022 12 hours ago, TropicalGuy said: Time now to revoke the UK Devolved Parliaments. All these little regional tinpot bureaucrats have proven completely useless in governing even their tiny regions WITH central UK Budget support. Just look at the massive decline of services in Scotland after 15 years of SNP governing ! ????Now this business with Stormont. Enough. Yeah damn democracy, are you a soldier by the way ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Here’s a real ‘Imports Inspection’ problem. The UK has failed to prepare for inspections at the EU/UK border, there are insufficient staff, insufficient facilities, insufficient procedures. There is no obligation on any EU nation to inspect goods leaving or transiting through their territory to the UK. Goods entering the EU to an EU nation final destination from ‘third nations’ are inspected at the first EU port of entry. (See example of goods arriving from UK to EU). Goods arriving at any EU port from any ‘third nation’ that are destined for the UK are not being inspected by any EU nation, and they are almost certainly not being inspected by the UK’s inadequate customs inspections when they arrive in the UK. The UK has almost no customs inspections on goods arriving from the EU or more worryingly goods shipped via the EU. The UK’s borders are to all practical considerations open to smugglers. Now what was all that about ’Control of our boarders’? No interest in Customs Procedures only Outcome & Political Fix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, Mavideol said: you really expected the UK Agricultural Minister to say something different, come on get real and accept/ respect the agreements What he said has accountable factual basis.He is not to be lightly dismissed like some emotionally- driven “ no value” Twitter muppet. I have shown that EU is not respecting UK or Treaty but you and others are impervious to Reason & Facts, for reasons of emotional political narrative. Life is Bloody Difficult. Get Real. Anyway you are Dismissed. ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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