Prince Charles told by U.K. leaders to stop meddling in politics amid immigration comment backlash

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, itsari said:

For you maybe the last king of the UK  

Good to see the back of a colony run by a bunch of racist bigots .

Only hope for the colony is to have representation from the immigrants . Fresh blood in the colonies veins 

I really do not think that the Royal family are racists .

Saying that a new Royal Family should be "immigrants" could be considered to be racist 

[Bday Prang]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And the U.K is quite welcoming to genuine refuges , like those people fleeing Ukraine and Hong Kong 

Absolutely, and most UK citizens fully support this.  Just think of all the additional Ukrainians that could have been helped if we weren't burdened with the Illegals.

         For that matter just think how many hospitals we could have built and the improvements we could have made to the UK. lower taxes spring to mind .If only we didn't have to fund not only every aspect of their presence  but also their continuous legal fees when they appeal time after time after receiving their deportation notice 

        I  doubt very much if any of the bleeding heart liberals who support the small boat arrivals actually live in the areas where these people are relocated to, pending the results of a never ending, appeal after appeal asylum application. Ask anybody who does, especially young females and I'm pretty sure they will tell you that their quality of life has not been improved significantly  in any respect

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I really do not think that the Royal family are racists .

Saying that a new Royal Family should be "immigrants" could be considered to be racist 

Let’s ponder the response from some parts of the press and public to a recent marriage into the British Royal Family.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s ponder the response from some parts of the press and public to a recent marriage into the British Royal Family.

We are talking about members of the Royal family , we arent talking about the public or the media 

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s ponder the response from some parts of the press and public to a recent marriage into the British Royal Family.

Its nothing to do with race, its because of her behaviour, 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What is wrong with going to Rwanda ?

Rwanda is a safe Country and the refugees want to go to a safe Country

Rwanda is not a safe country for refugees. And who says that?  Why, it's the UK government, who condemned Rwanda just recently, for violating the human rights of refugees being kept in transit centres in that country.

 

UK condemned Rwanda for human rights abuses months before signing deal to send asylum seekers there

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s ponder the response from some parts of the press and public to a recent marriage into the British Royal Family.

And the fact that Philip was a Greek.

So now we have members of our Royal Family and the Church of England now with their heads on the chopping block of Brexit. For nothing must be allowed to interfere with it, even the entity of the United Kingdom itself. No Institution is immune. 

 

Well if you don't have state institutions, you don't have a state. Or a Kingdom. Just a listless English  flag, tattered and fluttering in the wind...

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

So they have a choice of three safe Countries ; France , U.K and Rwanda .  

Why do they prefer to stay in the U.K ?

The vast majority of them don't. 92% of asylum seekers who come to Europe prefer to stay in other European countries, according to the report below.

 

Asylum in the UK

 

As it states, the number of asylum seekers coming to the UK:

 

Quote

 ... equates to 8% of the total asylum applicants across the EU+ and UK combined 

Oh and just FYI, that report also points out that in 2021 more than twice as many asylum seekers stayed in France, as came to the UK (96,000 as compared to 44,000) so that again flatly contradicts your assertion that "they prefer to stay in the UK."

 

Most of them prefer to stay elsewhere.

[Mac Mickmanus]

18 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

 

Oh and just FYI, that report also points out that in 2021 more than twice as many asylum seekers stayed in France, as came to the UK (96,000 as compared to 44,000) so that again flatly contradicts your assertion that "they prefer to stay in the UK."

 

 

Yes, 10 000 of them were staying in Calais , trying to get to the U.K

[Mac Mickmanus]

After an appeal to the Courts by Mr Raza Husain QC on behalf of the legal aid receiving deportees elect , a Court has ruled that the flights can go ahead tomorrow

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10912123/Court-Appeal-judges-ahead-flight-taking-migrants-Rwanda.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR0vylVkynOcVnpjUSCEhxg5z18HOXYhwSVnWcFc8hab5LW0GtjwKFxGouI

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

"Took" then, the French Navy took the refugee into UK waters

link from a credible source?

[Mac Mickmanus]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

link from a credible source?

Border Force union chief says French frequently escort migrants to UK waters

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/border-force-union-chief-french-escort-migrants-uk-waters/

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Border Force union chief says French frequently escort migrants to UK waters

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/border-force-union-chief-french-escort-migrants-uk-waters/

“Explaining the rules of the sea and maritime law the immigration expert explained why French vessels were spotted seeming to escort migrants to UK waters.”

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

26 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

After an appeal to the Courts by Mr Raza Husain QC on behalf of the legal aid receiving deportees elect , a Court has ruled that the flights can go ahead tomorrow

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10912123/Court-Appeal-judges-ahead-flight-taking-migrants-Rwanda.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR0vylVkynOcVnpjUSCEhxg5z18HOXYhwSVnWcFc8hab5LW0GtjwKFxGouI

A flight (singular) may be going ahead, but even if it does, it will have only a maximum of 8 people on board.

 

Even that isn't certain because as that article further points out:

 

"Lawyers are understood to still be lodging appeals, under the Humans Rights Act and modern slavery legislation, to withdraw individual names from the Kigali-bound flight."

[ozimoron]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Border Force union chief says French frequently escort migrants to UK waters

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/border-force-union-chief-french-escort-migrants-uk-waters/

not a credible mainstream news organisation.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

A flight (singular) may be going ahead, but even if it does, it will have only a maximum of 8 people on board.

 

Even that isn't certain because as that article further points out:

 

"Lawyers are understood to still be lodging appeals, under the Humans Rights Act and modern slavery legislation, to withdraw individual names from the Kigali-bound flight."

Individual people are making appeals to try to get themselves removed the the flight , the flights are been ruled to be legal

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

not a credible mainstream news organisation.

It is, its the U.K's biggest news radio station .

But you can have these as well (with photos and videos) 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1465504/French-navy-migrant-crossing-uk-waters-asylum-seekers-latest-news-video-vn

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/french-navy-seen-abandoning-migrants-in-uk-waters/1977007

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It is, its the U.K's biggest news radio station .

But you can have these as well (with photos and videos) 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1465504/French-navy-migrant-crossing-uk-waters-asylum-seekers-latest-news-video-vn

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/french-navy-seen-abandoning-migrants-in-uk-waters/1977007

Neither of those cuts the mustard either. the Turkish news outlet quotes a "UK daily" and the express is not an approved source.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Will this do ?

The British navy went into French waters to collect a boat load of immigrants from the French navy who were escorting the boats to UK waters

 

https://news.sky.com/story/investigation-after-border-force-enters-french-waters-to-pick-up-migrants-12325388

 

:"The sailor who handed the radio message to the Mail told the newspaper: "We know the French are escorting migrant boats towards the UK instead of turning them back to France.

"But this is a first time I have heard of British Border Force collecting migrants on the French side of the Channel.

"I have suspected it going on for some time, but the radio message that I happened to overhear on an public channel proves it.

"The French patrol boat captain makes clear the migrants are not in peril at sea."

Did the french navy have a legal obligation to turn the boats back to France?

 

Were they "escorting" them or monitoring them? Escorting implies forcing them to travel to a point where they did not wish to go.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Will this do ?

The British navy went into French waters to collect a boat load of immigrants from the French navy who were escorting the boats to UK waters

 

https://news.sky.com/story/investigation-after-border-force-enters-french-waters-to-pick-up-migrants-12325388

 

:"The sailor who handed the radio message to the Mail told the newspaper: "We know the French are escorting migrant boats towards the UK instead of turning them back to France.

"But this is a first time I have heard of British Border Force collecting migrants on the French side of the Channel.

"I have suspected it going on for some time, but the radio message that I happened to overhear on an public channel proves it.

"The French patrol boat captain makes clear the migrants are not in peril at sea."

No.

 

Unless you can find a legal basis for the French preventing people getting into boats and heading to the UK. 
 

The ‘Dublin Agreement’ would provide a legal obligation on the French but the UK ditched it as part of Brexit.

 

Doh!

 

“The United Kingdom withdrawal from the European Union took effect at the end of the Brexit transition period on 31 December 2020, at which point the Regulation ceased to apply to it.”

 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did the french navy have a legal obligation to turn the boats back to France?

 

Were they "escorting" them or monitoring them? Escorting implies forcing them to travel to a point where they did not wish to go.

Seems like the French  were making sure that they wouldn't come back , making sure that they arrived in U.K waters .

  I don't know the legalities  of it. I am not familiar with French law

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems like the French  were making sure that they wouldn't come back , making sure that they arrived in U.K waters .

  I don't know the legalities  of it. I am not familiar with French law

By what means?

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did the french navy have a legal obligation to turn the boats back to France?

Not since Brexit they don’t,

 

(Another ‘Home Goal’).

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Seems like the French  were making sure that they wouldn't come back , making sure that they arrived in U.K waters .

  I don't know the legalities  of it. I am not familiar with French law

You should acquaint yourself with the consequences of Brexit.

[Mac Mickmanus]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You should acquaint yourself with the consequences of Brexit.

Yes, we can now send them to Rwanda , not sure we could have done that whilst still in the E.U 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, we can now send them to Rwanda , not sure we could have done that whilst still in the E.U 

Nothing to do with the EU.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

37 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did the french navy have a legal obligation to turn the boats back to France?

 

Were they "escorting" them or monitoring them? Escorting implies forcing them to travel to a point where they did not wish to go.

I do think that the French authorities should intervene when they are aware of people trafficking and smuggling .

   The French authorities just watch people being trafficked right in front of them, not only that , they help the traffickers as well to make sure their trafficked people get to their destination .

  Are the French authorities legally allowed to watch crimes and assist in those crimes ?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do think that the French authorities should intervene when they are aware of people trafficking and smuggling .

   The French authorities just watch people being trafficked right in front of them, not only that , they help the traffickers as well to make sure their trafficked people get to their destination .

  Are the French authorities legally allowed to watch crimes and assist in those crimes ?

More conspiracy theories. What evidence do you have that all of these boats are controlled by human traffickers. the French probably do go after human traffickers.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, Nigels boat crossed from UK waters to French waters and back again 

Proving nothing at all. Some French naval boats ensuring they were on hand to rescue refugees in case they sank. Reprehensible in some peoples' eyes.

[roo860]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

So they have a choice of three safe Countries ; France , U.K and Rwanda .  

Why do they prefer to stay in the U.K ?

Well, France doesn't put them up in hotels, 3 meals a day, bit of pocket money and a phone.