Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I do think that the French authorities should intervene when they are aware of people trafficking and smuggling . The French authorities just watch people being trafficked right in front of them, not only that , they help the traffickers as well to make sure their trafficked people get to their destination . Are the French authorities legally allowed to watch crimes and assist in those crimes ? If the migrants were passing through the UK heading to another country, would you be insisting that the UK authorities act to stop them leaving the UK? The French Government were bound by the Dublin Agreement to do exactly what you want them to do, but then the UK left the Dublin Agreement when Brexit was ‘Done’. A stunning home goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, Nigels boat crossed from UK waters to French waters and back again I was pointing out your statement wrt not ‘knowing the legalities of it’. Edited June 13, 2022 by Chomper Higgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, roo860 said: Well, France doesn't put them up in hotels, 3 meals a day, bit of pocket money and a phone. Why would they need to, the migrants are passing through France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Proving nothing at all. Some French naval boats ensuring they were on hand to rescue refugees in case they sank. Reprehensible in some peoples' eyes. Would have been a better idea to stop them going in the first place and undertaking their dangerous journey , had the boat sank , there would be no assurances that the French navy could rescue everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Would have been a better idea to stop them going in the first place and undertaking their dangerous journey , had the boat sank , there would be no assurances that the French navy could rescue everyone The legal basis for doing so is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: Why would they need to, the migrants are passing through France. Ah yes, no doubt on an all inclusive whistle stop trip via France to the UK. Those flights to Rwanda need filling!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: If the migrants were passing through the UK heading to another country, would you be insisting that the UK authorities act to stop them leaving the UK? The French Government were bound by the Dublin Agreement to do exactly what you want them to do, but then the UK left the Dublin Agreement when Brexit was ‘Done’. A stunning home goal! Do stop your constant "Its your own fault to leaving the E.U" stance . Migrants have been making their way over from Calais for the last 25 years and nothing to do with Brexit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Do stop your constant "Its your own fault to leaving the E.U" stance . Migrants have been making their way over from Calais for the last 25 years and nothing to do with Brexit https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53699511 Edited June 13, 2022 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Why would they need to, the migrants are passing through France. But then their " I'm fleeing a Country where my life is in danger" story and reasons for entering the U.K seeking asylum fall apart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Do stop your constant "Its your own fault to leaving the E.U" stance . Migrants have been making their way over from Calais for the last 25 years and nothing to do with Brexit Brexit removed the UK from the Dublin Agreement. Don’t tell me to stop point out facts you don’t like hearing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59369179.amp And let’s not forget ‘Poject Fear’: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-illegal-immigration-free-movement-eu-leave-a8915816.html?amp Home Goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: But then their " I'm fleeing a Country where my life is in danger" story and reasons for entering the U.K seeking asylum fall apart Don’t expect help with that, the UK has withdrawn from the Dublin Agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: My point was that even when the U.K was part of the E.U , immigrants still came over by boat from Calais , so the UK leaving the E.U isn't the reason as to why immigrants are arriving in Dover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I do think that the French authorities should intervene when they are aware of people trafficking and smuggling . The French authorities just watch people being trafficked right in front of them, not only that , they help the traffickers as well to make sure their trafficked people get to their destination . Are the French authorities legally allowed to watch crimes and assist in those crimes ? Your claims don't quite match the facts, In England and Wales, government statistics show there were 41 convictions for helping asylum seekers to enter the UK between 2017-2020, compared to 137 prosecutions in the same period. Last September, over 50 suspected criminal gang members were arrested in relation to small boat crossings, according to Home Office figures. https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Numerous off-topic, troll posts and replies removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: My point was that even when the U.K was part of the E.U , immigrants still came over by boat from Calais , so the UK leaving the E.U isn't the reason as to why immigrants are arriving in Dover At nowhere near the current numbers, and at that time the UK and French were cooperating. Johnson and Patel has actively sought to aggravate what non binding cooperation remained after Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: but then the UK left the Dublin Agreement when Brexit was ‘Done’. A stunning home goal! 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: The ‘Dublin Agreement’ would provide a legal obligation on the French but the UK ditched it as part of Brexit. 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Don’t expect help with that, the UK has withdrawn from the Dublin Agreement. 6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Brexit removed the UK from the Dublin Agreement. 19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Don’t expect help with that, the UK has withdrawn from the Dublin Agreement. You have made your point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Under an agreement reached in July, Britain agreed to finance border security in France to the tune of 62.7 million euros ($73.8 million), The French side has hired more gendarmes, purchased more technological equipment and thereby "succeeded in greatly reducing migratory pressure", he added. Over the past three months France has stopped 65 percent of attempted crossings by illegal immigrants, up from 50 percent, the interior minister said. https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211010-france-calls-for-creation-of-a-migration-treaty-between-the-eu-and-britain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 6:31 AM, SunnyinBangrak said: Any people genuinely fleeing from persecution and in fear of their lives, who end up crossing the channel in a dingy, will be eternally grateful for a new safe life in Rwanda. All new hands on deck for Rwanda. Rwanda needs hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, 10 000 of them were staying in Calais , trying to get to the U.K No, that's 96,000 who applied for asylum in France, and so are clearly not trying to get to the UK. Even If there were 10,000 trying to get to the UK (and you don't provide any evidence for that) that would still mean there are vastly more who prefer to stay in France. Stop peddling this falsehood that asylum seekers prefer to come to the UK. It's absolutely clear, and established by the actual numbers, that they don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: No, that's 96,000 who applied for asylum in France, and so are clearly not trying to get to the UK. Even If there were 10,000 trying to get to the UK (and you don't provide any evidence for that) that would still mean there are vastly more who prefer to stay in France. Stop peddling this falsehood that asylum seekers prefer to come to the UK. It's absolutely clear, and established by the actual numbers, that they don't. Do they prefer to stay in France , or is it because they cannot get to the U.K ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 hours ago, roo860 said: Well, France doesn't put them up in hotels, 3 meals a day, bit of pocket money and a phone. You seem to be accepting @Mac Mickmanus's assertion that asylum seekers "prefer to stay in the UK." However, that's totally false. The actual statistics show the vast majority who arrive in Europe (92% of them) prefer to stay elsewhere in Europe. Asylum in the UK The same report shows that more than twice as many prefer to stay in France, than come to the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Do they prefer to stay in France , or is it because they cannot get to the U.K ? Cognitive dissonance much? You've repeated over and over that the French are not doing enough to prevent asylum seekers coming to the UK - or even that they're actively helping people traffickers get them to the UK and that the French Navy helps their boats to cross the channel. So which is it - it's too easy for them to get to the UK, or too difficult? You can't have it both ways 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Cognitive dissonance much? You've repeated over and over that the French are not doing enough to prevent asylum seekers coming to the UK - or even that they're actively helping people traffickers get them to the UK and that the French Navy helps their boats to cross the channel. So which is it - it's too easy for them to get to the UK, or too difficult? You can't have it both ways Could be the cost of paying the traffickers to get to the UK , costs up to 20 000 GBP to get across . The asylum seekers that can pay the trafficking fee , the French authorities aren't doing enough to sop them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 20 hours ago, Doctor Tom said: Anyone who reputably has 2 valets to dress him in the morning, and up to 5 times during the day as he changers his clothes, and ties his shoe laces for him, after pressing them flat with an iron, is a very, very, very, odd person indeed, Royal or not. Sounds like a second rate 1890s period drama. I learnt to dress myself at 3 years old, he apparently did not. He “ delegates effectively” ????☹️ I like to delegate or sub- contract difficult or risky stuff. Like Retirement Stay. ????Actually would use an agent to wipe my <deleted> if I could ????Lady refuses ☹️. Quite lazy here so use pretext of “ no work permit” even for interior work ! Lady arranges Thai stuff???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Could be the cost of paying the traffickers to get to the UK , costs up to 20 000 GBP to get across . The asylum seekers that can pay the trafficking fee , the French authorities aren't doing enough to sop them No it’s 5000 euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalGuy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said: You seem to be accepting @Mac Mickmanus's assertion that asylum seekers "prefer to stay in the UK." However, that's totally false. The actual statistics show the vast majority who arrive in Europe (92% of them) prefer to stay elsewhere in Europe. Asylum in the UK The same report shows that more than twice as many prefer to stay in France, than come to the UK. And I would “ prefer” they get stopped before arriving or taken back to origin ….. unless they are brain surgeon or rocket scientist level ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said: No it’s 5000 euros "up to" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Bday Prang said: Absolutely, and most UK citizens fully support this. Just think of all the additional Ukrainians that could have been helped if we weren't burdened with the Illegals. For that matter just think how many hospitals we could have built and the improvements we could have made to the UK. lower taxes spring to mind .If only we didn't have to fund not only every aspect of their presence but also their continuous legal fees when they appeal time after time after receiving their deportation notice I doubt very much if any of the bleeding heart liberals who support the small boat arrivals actually live in the areas where these people are relocated to, pending the results of a never ending, appeal after appeal asylum application. Ask anybody who does, especially young females and I'm pretty sure they will tell you that their quality of life has not been improved significantly in any respect Totally agree. If the people coming to the UK are real/genuine refugees, as you say, they are welcomed by most of the UK population. Its the illegals coming over the channel dinghy's that are the real problem. Mostly young men, under 30, so fighting age for their country? There may be a few families in with them that the media love to show, but few and far between. If they were real refugees they would apply thru the proper process instead of sneaking into the country. Edited June 14, 2022 by mikeymike100 grammar 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You have made your point More like shot himself in the foot. How many illegals were returned to France under the Dublin Agreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Loiner said: More like shot himself in the foot. How many illegals were returned to France under the Dublin Agreement? Was the Dublin Agreement intended return refugees from the UK to France? Can you show that it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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