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I really doubt that any nation would honor the junta's demands for extradition. They aren't a legally recognized democracy and most western aligned nations have made that clear by now. Besides, if Thaksin did return that would be an extremely stupid move. The junta's policies seems to change every day and it's likely that it'd be easier to get Thaksin whacked than to have him around as a political martyr for the people.

Ummm I certainly do not see it that way.

The Junta is not a democracy at all but I do not know of even ONE government that has pulled diplomatic recognition to Thailand.

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Thaksin bought Manchester City for real now. Still needs to be finalized by the Premier League, but when asked in an interview if he will go back to Thailand, he said he will not go yet. So I guess he won't listen to the government's demands. According to what he said, he will only come back when there is a democratically elected government. If he is head of Manchester City, I can't see him trying to enter back into politics while he has that going on.

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Nine top judges to try ex-premier

Nine chief judges of the Supreme Court will preside over the trial of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra and his wife Khunying Pojaman for alleged corruption in the latter's purchase of land at Ratchadaphisek from the state in 2003.

The Supreme Court's full bench of 84 judges selected the nine judges to sit on the Crimi-nal Tribunal for Political Office Holders, a special court for corruption cases, in a secret ballot yesterday.

The nine selected obtained votes ranging from 72 to 47.

With the selection of the judges, the special court has been activated to rule on the case against Thaksin and his wife by due process. It is expected to convene on July 10 to examine the prosecution writ and evidence.

The arraignment hearing, at which Thaksin and Pojaman are obliged to be present in person, is slated for some time in early August.

The defence will have five days to dispute the credentials of the nine judges, if it has cause to suspect conflict of interest or prejudice.

Should the two defendants fail to report for arraignment they would become fugitives with 10 years of statutory limitation, said court spokesman Sarawut Benjakul.

He said that if the defendants failed to show up at the first hearing the court might temporarily put the case on hold but that if they were found to be avoiding appearing before the court intentionally, warrants for their arrest could be issued.

Ten Supreme Court judges withdrew from the contest with the consent of the meeting. Three of them, ML Krairerk Kasemsant, Kitisak Kittikhun-pairoj and Thanit Kesawapi-thak, are on the Constitution Tribunal. The three other Supreme Court judges on the Constitution Tribunal, court president Panya Thanomrod, Nurak Mapraneet and Som-chai Pongsatha. remained in the contest, according to a source.

Panya obtained 10 votes, the source said.

In a related development, Pichit Chuenban, a lawyer for the Shinawatra family, yesterday said the public prosecutors' lawsuit filed against Thaksin and Pojaman made unfair accusations against the ex-PM.

Source: The Nation - 23 June 2007

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Minister: Thaksin can face extradition

Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra must return to Thailand to meet a police summons next week or he could extradition attempts, Justice Minister Charnchai Likitjitta said Saturday. Mr Thaksin and his wife Potjaman were ordered last week to hear charges of concealing assets in person by Friday.

"Thaksin must return to Thailand to defend himself against the allegations," Mr Charnchai told reporters. "If he does not show up, then there could be an arrest warrant." "And if he still does not come back, the attorney general will notify foreign countries to extradite him," he added.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

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Thaksin should defend himself in court: Thai PM

Thailand's Prime Minister Gen. Surayud Chulanont Saturday urged ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra -- now living in self-imposed exile in England -- to return to Thailand to defend himself against charges of malfeasance and corruption.

Speaking during his weekly Saturday morning television programme, Gen. Surayud said his government is well prepared to discuss all matters with Mr. Thaksin as the former premier proposed.

The prime minister said he thought the best issue to discuss was how to restore peace in the country as supporters of the deposed premier were "still making political movements".

Gen. Surayud said Mr. Thaksin could help the country to move towards holding a general election and that the interim government would guarantee the former premier's security if he returns home.

The premier said Mr. Thaksin can defend himself through the judicial process in court rather than stirring up disturbances with mass protests.

It is no problem if the ex-premier wishes to return late this month as the government will guarantee his safety, Gen. Surayud said.

The ousted premier has been living self-imposed exile, mainly in China and England, since his government was toppled in a bloodless coup last September 19.

Prosecutors on Thursday filed the first formal charges against Mr. Thaksin and his wife Pojaman at the Supreme Court over a Bt772 million land purchase in a prime business area here. In another case, the Assets Examination Committee on June 10 froze Mr. Thaksin and his wife's assets.

The deposed prime minister has 60 days to respond to the assets freeze.

Source: TNA - 23 June 2007

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I really doubt that any nation would honor the junta's demands for extradition. They aren't a legally recognized democracy and most western aligned nations have made that clear by now. Besides, if Thaksin did return that would be an extremely stupid move. The junta's policies seems to change every day and it's likely that it'd be easier to get Thaksin whacked than to have him around as a political martyr for the people.

Ummm I certainly do not see it that way.

The Junta is not a democracy at all but I do not know of even ONE government that has pulled diplomatic recognition to Thailand.

There are nations out there that recognize the Sudan and Myanmar what's your point? Basic diplomatic relations doesn't mean that they have enough credibility to have their extradition requests granted. Thailand really has no flex or authority overseas. It's a small country that is known for making unreasonable demands for "face" reasons which are ignored more often than not.

Plus no matter how corrupt Thaksin is he's not regarded as better or worse than what's currently in power. He's a political exile like countless other "leaders" from ousted governments of glorified banana republics. Most western nations will regard this as an internal domestic situation and keep out of it unless it directly effects western resources or interests in which case military or political pressure will come down on Thailand regardless of who is in charge. The reality of it is Thailand is a small fish in a big big global pond. Besides, Thaksin is still well received by most nations overseas..he was awarded an honorary degree in Japan for god's sakes. He's only a pariah in Thailand and he knows how to work that angle.

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This bunch of incompetents must know that it is more likely that hel_l freezes over than they would make a successful extradition order for Mr Thaksin through the British government (certainly Thaksin will be aware). So why do they say this nonsense? Perhaps it's just a process they are going through before they pillage his bank accounts.

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Thaksin bought Manchester City for real now. Still needs to be finalized by the Premier League, but when asked in an interview if he will go back to Thailand, he said he will not go yet. So I guess he won't listen to the government's demands. According to what he said, he will only come back when there is a democratically elected government. If he is head of Manchester City, I can't see him trying to enter back into politics while he has that going on.

Yeah, I saw the interview with Thaksin on ESPN yesterday, discussing his purchase of Man City. When they directly asked him whether he will return to Thailand to face the charges of corruption, he clearly stated that he would not return until Thailand is a democracy/has elections again. He will not be coming back anytime soon.

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Thaksin bought Manchester City for real now. Still needs to be finalized by the Premier League, but when asked in an interview if he will go back to Thailand, he said he will not go yet. So I guess he won't listen to the government's demands. According to what he said, he will only come back when there is a democratically elected government. If he is head of Manchester City, I can't see him trying to enter back into politics while he has that going on.

Yeah, I saw the interview with Thaksin on ESPN yesterday, discussing his purchase of Man City. When they directly asked him whether he will return to Thailand to face the charges of corruption, he clearly stated that he would not return until Thailand is a democracy/has elections again. He will not be coming back anytime soon.

Once again he said he is above the law as if he has a choice in the matter.

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quite possible you have this one right JohnK ,

I seem to remember that you predicted that T will never set foot in Thailand again ?

mind you , your in good company if you remember Gen P's comments ?

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forked tongues , the lot of 'em .

...playing Ping-Pong.....with their decisions :o

This CNS junta and it's interim (!) government is the most inconsistent I've watched...ever.

We shouldn't forget one thing:

The Old Elite, behind the junta, (and in fact running the country...!) is scared to death if Thaksin ever appears on trial.....he simply knows too much and he will bring down a LOT of Old Elite members -and complete Hi-So families- as well.....they ALL have dirty hands, not just Thaksin ! :D

That's why the CNS/interim Government is so contradictionary with all of it's decisions, no matter the new nine top Judges, appointed now...

The smell of the Garbage Can will be huge.

But, TIT and 'they' will deal with it, one way or another...saving face(s), money and Power...... :D

LaoPo

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Just a brief snippet , which struck my eye , from a BBC news Thaksin "profile"

Born in 1949 in the northern city of Chiang Mai, Mr Thaksin started his career as a police officer. In 1973, he received a government scholarship to study for a masters degree in criminal justice in the United States.

When he returned he went into business, and during the late 1980s began building a telecommunications empire, helped by cornering state monopolies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1108114.stm

Something was going on long before he came to political power.

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Analysis;

With Thaksin it is a bit of a game. If he felt he had an advantage he would come back. In his mind he had a tipping point and seems to have come when the TRT got dissolved. As soon as that happened he started moving his money in what seems to be a bit of a shell game at the moment. I suspect the yet unfound money may be the table money for Manchester as his explanation is weak at best. Knowing Thaksin it is 180 degrees from the truth.

The Manchester deal for the moment is a distraction in more ways than one. If the deal even has 1 ThB of money that could be viewed as from questionable origin, it will cause Manchester to discover what dancing with the devil is like. I suspect that will be the case when the dust has settled as the time of the money going missing is very near closing of the deal. I can’t seem to recall any business deals that involved Thaksin that someone did not get burned in one way or another. I see this as a possible anchor now to give the UK incentive to grant asylum. I can imagine the political fallout from that topic.

At the moment I am sure the UK is very uncomfortable with the fact that Thaksin seems to be placing them in a position of conflict with Thailand as the Singapore issue is still fresh in everyone’s mind. I would not doubt there are some discussions going on now in the UK to that effect.

As far as getting Thaksin back to Thailand I am not sure of the options. Someone posted about canceling his passport forcing him back. That may work but I suspect Thaksin may apply for asylum if that happens. I can’t say how that would be received in the UK as I am not from there and I hope people can add to that. If they decide not to grant asylum then we should look to see what country would.

He is smart enough to know what to do next but I have noted a subtle change in him. On the outside he still seems the same old Thaksin, but his actions now reflect genuine fear. If today’s rally is a flop then you can expect another change and it will be much less subtle.

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Something was going on long before he came to political power.

old news mate ,

but well worth refreshing everyone every now and then ,

there's still unanswered questions before the courts concerning t's business dealings and ethics from that period.

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Analysis;

With Thaksin it is a bit of a game. If he felt he had an advantage he would come back. In his mind he had a tipping point and seems to have come when the TRT got dissolved. As soon as that happened he started moving his money in what seems to be a bit of a shell game at the moment. I suspect the yet unfound money may be the table money for Manchester as his explanation is weak at best. Knowing Thaksin it is 180 degrees from the truth.

The Manchester deal for the moment is a distraction in more ways than one. If the deal even has 1 ThB of money that could be viewed as from questionable origin, it will cause Manchester to discover what dancing with the devil is like. I suspect that will be the case when the dust has settled as the time of the money going missing is very near closing of the deal. I can't seem to recall any business deals that involved Thaksin that someone did not get burned in one way or another. I see this as a possible anchor now to give the UK incentive to grant asylum. I can imagine the political fallout from that topic.

At the moment I am sure the UK is very uncomfortable with the fact that Thaksin seems to be placing them in a position of conflict with Thailand as the Singapore issue is still fresh in everyone's mind. I would not doubt there are some discussions going on now in the UK to that effect.

As far as getting Thaksin back to Thailand I am not sure of the options. Someone posted about canceling his passport forcing him back. That may work but I suspect Thaksin may apply for asylum if that happens. I can't say how that would be received in the UK as I am not from there and I hope people can add to that. If they decide not to grant asylum then we should look to see what country would.

He is smart enough to know what to do next but I have noted a subtle change in him. On the outside he still seems the same old Thaksin, but his actions now reflect genuine fear. If today's rally is a flop then you can expect another change and it will be much less subtle.

Very interesting analysis. I agree he has a tendancy to tie up and implicate big political interests, just as when he was first deposed and was traveling around trying to get the US involved among others. The US government would have none of it. I think there are enough deposed despots living in London, who, if they stay quiet, and the heat doesn't get too much from abroad, can live quite comfortably with their millions.

If he's trying to play the UK for a sucker, he'll get his commupance soon enough I suspect.

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As far as getting Thaksin back to Thailand I am not sure of the options. Someone posted about canceling his passport forcing him back.

I would be surprised if Thaksin wouldn't hold more than 1 passport...

A lot of -not just- Rich and Powerful people do.

LaoPo

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ASSETS CHARGES

Thaksin is ordered to come home

Govt threatens extradition, but says safety will be guaranteed

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shina-watra and his wife Khunying Pojaman must turn up by June 29 to hear formal charges of assets concealment involving SC Asset or face arrest warrants and extradition.

Department of Special Investigation director-general Sunai Manomai-udom said yesterday representatives of SC Asset, the family's property company, and Busaba Damapong, the wife of Pojaman's step-brother Bhanapot must also turn up to be officially informed of the charges.

"All must come in person, including Thaksin who cannot use political circumstances as an excuse or authorise any representatives," he said.

"In a criminal case, representatives are not applicable. If the charged individuals intentionally avoid meeting the investigating officers, they face an arrest warrant. If they are abroad, they will be extradited."

Sunai said technically the accused could postpone their appearances three times. Only then could police issue arrest warrants.

Since the Army seized control late last year, Thaksin has remained overseas.

Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont said yesterday the government would guarantee Thak-sin's safety if he chooses to return and fight the char-ges against him.

"We will provide safety for him once he returns home to defend himself against the charges as it is our duty. I can give an assurance that all relevant government authorities will provide him with the necessary security," Surayud said.

He said Thaksin would not be taken into custody if he returned home, but he should contact the government before deciding to do so. Thaksin had earlier vowed he would end his exile and return to fight the Assets Examination Commit-tee's freezing of his assets. He has since backed down from that commitment.

Meanwhile, Pojaman yesterday also failed to show up

before the Assets Examination Committee that is investigating her Shin share sale, saying she was ill in Singapore.

The DSI yesterday announced there was evidence the accused conspired in concealing their shares in SC Asset, a listed company, which is in violation of the Securities and Exchange Act. Involved are four overseas funds - Win Mark, Value Investment Mutual Fund (VIF), Overseas Growth Fund (OGF) and Offshore Dynamic Fund (ODF).

"The investigating team also found Thaksin could have violated the anti-corruption law. He could have intended to conceal the shares when he was the prime minister, and he could have committed actions for control or benefits from the companies. This will be a separate case that the DSI will forward to the National Counter Corruption Commission," Sunai said.

On the SC Asset case, he said the DSI had "convincing evidence" that Win Mark, VIF, OGF and ODF were nominees of Thaksin and his wife.

"They were the beneficial owners and controlled power over the shares of SC Asset and five other companies, which had been held by the funds," Sunai said.

Backing up the charges are documents and individuals, including a document that showed Win Mark's investment of Bt1.527 billion came from Thaksin, he said.

Meanwhile, the DSI has no evidence that shows Thaksin's daughters Pinthongta and Paethongtarn, who are SC Asset's shareholders, either knew or were involved in the alleged action.

SC Asset (formerly OAI Property) was set up before 2000 by Thaksin and his family. A portion of shares in the company, as well as five other companies owned by his family, were sold to British Virgin Islands-registered Win Mark in mid-2000 at the combined value of Bt1.527 billion. The other five companies are PT Corporation, Worth Supplies, BP Property, SCK Estate and SC Office Park.

Three years later, Win Mark sold SC Asset shares to VIF. In the same year, VIF forewent the rights for new SC Asset shares to Thaksin's daughters - Pinthongta and Paethongtarn - who automatically netted Bt71 million in capital gains from the new shares, which were priced at Bt15 against Bt10 par value.

Shortly after that, VIF transferred the SC Assets shares to OGF and ODF, which held the shares until August 2006.

In 2004, Win Mark sold shares in the other five companies to Pinthongta and two family companies at cost, raising doubts of its intention in having held the shares for a long time.

The DSI's investigation concluded that in filing its initial public offering application in 2003, SC Asset failed to include shares owned by OGF and ODF in the Shinawatra family's stake. If included, the family's stake could have been 79.87 per cent, not 60.82 per cent as stated, which meant a controlling power over the company. That action violated the SEC Act and Busaba, then director who co-certified the filing, is liable to five years imprisonment and fines twice the value of the securities involved.

As OGF and ODF are Thaksin and Pojaman's nominees and sold shares in four lots in 2006, as beneficial owners, both of them were required to report new shareholdings to the SEC.

Failing to comply with the law, they could be sentenced to five years jail and fines of twice the value of the securities involved.

The DSI investigation was completed in cooperation with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which earlier was criticised for being lenient toward the Shinawatra family by not charging anyone involved in the alleged share concealment.

SEC deputy secretary-general Prasong Winaipaet said yesterday it was the SEC that first spotted the evidence but decided to forward it to the DSI which has power to press for additional information.

He said the SEC was prepared to for similar cooperation in other cases.

-The Nation

can anyone kindly tell me how thaksin has got all this going on,and yet he can smugly buy man city?

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An extradition request for a deposed prime minister issued by an unelectected government appointed by the military junta that overthrew him ? It wouldn't take much of a lawyer to get that thrown out of court.

Thaksin doesn't strike me as very smart and he has the added disadvantage of a serial liar , you trip yourself up with inconsistent statements.

He hid all his financial shennanigans behind a screen of offspring and employees , claiming he personally had nothing to do with any transaction. Then he is seen on screen at the BKK rally saying the government should stop persecuting his family as they new nothing about any of these business dealings.

For him , or his wife , to submit to a witness-box interrogation would blow large holes in their tissue of lies in nothing flat.

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From memory the junta left the courts untouched and in tact. The fact that they are respecting the courts rulings supports that. Thaksin is also on record for accepting the courts ruling on the TRT and that implies he accepts they are legitimate and working in a democratic way. So there is a lot a skillful lawyer can do to shoot holes in Thaksin if it comes to that. It is Thaksin’s mouth that gets him in trouble. When he speaks directly he messes up. At least his lawyer is more tactful.

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As far as getting Thaksin back to Thailand I am not sure of the options. Someone posted about canceling his passport forcing him back.

I would be surprised if Thaksin wouldn't hold more than 1 passport...

A lot of -not just- Rich and Powerful people do.

LaoPo

I would think that Thaksin is known enough that Thailand could void any Thai passport Thaksin is holding in his name. It would not need to be by passport number. They do have systems in place for that as a result of global terrorism.

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As far as getting Thaksin back to Thailand I am not sure of the options. Someone posted about canceling his passport forcing him back.

I would be surprised if Thaksin wouldn't hold more than 1 passport...

A lot of -not just- Rich and Powerful people do.

LaoPo

I would think that Thaksin is known enough that Thailand could void any Thai passport Thaksin is holding in his name. It would not need to be by passport number. They do have systems in place for that as a result of global terrorism.

Agree.

I should have written: ".........more than 1 -other- foreign passport...".

LaoPo :o

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Thaksin has been under investigation by the Department of Special Investigation ( DSI ) since March of this year at the request of the Securities and Exchange Commission ( SEC ).

DSI investigators, with help from the SEC, traced shares through several firms and found that the Shinawatra family reported its shareholding in SC Asset at 60.82% in its listing filing to the SEC and also in its prospectus when the shares were floated to the public.

But the family did not include its hidden shares held by Overseas Growth Fund and Offshore Dynamic Fund, which were its nominees.

If the stakes held by the two funds were included, the Shinawatra family would own up to 79.87% of SC Asset.

Holding a 79.87% stake means that the family could control the board and the shareholders' meeting even in the case of important issues where up to three-quarters of shareholders' votes who attend the meeting are required.

The DSI will forward the case to the National Counter Corruption Commission later as Thaksin did not report his hidden assets when he was prime minister.

If convicted, Thaksin could face jail of up to two years or a fine of up to 500,000 baht and a fine of another 10,000 baht a day since committing the offences, or both.

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From memory the junta left the courts untouched and in tact. The fact that they are respecting the courts rulings supports that. Thaksin is also on record for accepting the courts ruling on the TRT and that implies he accepts they are legitimate and working in a democratic way. So there is a lot a skillful lawyer can do to shoot holes in Thaksin if it comes to that. It is Thaksin's mouth that gets him in trouble. When he speaks directly he messes up. At least his lawyer is more tactful.

I think you will find that no political court rulings under dictatorships has any validity in the democratic world, and since Thailand has the death penalty and a very poor human rights record, lots of country's would routinely offer Thaksin asylum if he so wished, and they wouldn't give a toss about Thailands reactions to that. All though we who stay here love Thailand for many reasons, we still have to be realists and understand that in the great big wide world out there, for many country's, Thailands importance is extremely little, the country for whom Thailand is most important is the US and that's for strategic reasons only, but the US have still put a weapons embargo for US weapons on Thailand because of the coup.

Kind regards :o

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Gun Thaksin is not crazy . I am sure that he wonders why he suddenly is welcomed back very quickly , I am sure they have something very nice in petto for him . Also not surprisingly that his wife , suddenly ,

went not well and left for Singapore .......There is more going on !

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