Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Mavideol said: the old saying ""it's not us , it's them"" always the easy escape Isn't that what you are doing ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, JonnyF said: Shocked to hear The Guardian is blaming it on Brexit and The Tories ????. This quite a good example of how some U.K media operates . There is a current news story about delays on the French side of the border caused by a technical glitch , lack of Fench staff , cancelled UK flights , Covid checks , UK holidays Yet the Guardian ignore all that and print a story about Brexit and Boris and apportioning all blame to them , and their readers lap it up because it reaffirms their opinion that Brexit is to blame for everything . One sided , biased and not impartial reporting 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/24/2022 at 12:18 PM, placeholder said: Well, so you're claiming that security climate of roughly 50 years ago was no different than it is today? Boats invading would have been shot out of the water 50 years ago. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: No, all those are still available . Although young unskilled Europeans can no longer get a boat across and apply for low paying unskilled work , they need to get a visa first before travelling And that's a benefit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RayC said: And that's a benefit? For the unskilled young unemployed British people it is , yes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, Gaccha said: And there it is. You want so badly for your imaginary fantasy to be true that if you can't get enjoyable benefits from Europe then at least others have suffered by your acts. You have stabbed yourself in the face so mommy will sob for you. You played yourself. When others embarrass themselves with codswallop like this I actually feel sorry for them. My acts. Gawd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 hours ago, Bruno123 said: I am not judging your standard of education. I am only interested in reasoned discussion of your beliefs. You might genuinely have information of interest. But most of what I read from the 'Brexiteers' involves abuse towards anyone they regard as 'left leaning'. It's a bit sad. Like teasing in the playground. 5 hours ago, nauseus said: .....I can assure you that the vast majority of abuse came from the remain camp, Welcome, Bruno. As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotandsticky Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RayC said: Welcome, Bruno. As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence Good to see that the scars still run deep................keep whining. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said: Good to see that the scars still run deep................keep whining. Not whining just asking Brexiters to justify your position by supplying a rational argument to support your position. After all, you did keep insisting that you knew what you were voting for, right? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, RayC said: Welcome, Bruno. As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence Yes, as people are making generalisations , nice of you to add tour own generalisation at the end . Great example there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RayC said: Welcome, Bruno. As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence The old posts are gone now AFIK but it was true about 5 years ago that any abuse invariably originated from remainers, especially post referendum. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotandsticky Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RayC said: Not whining just asking Brexiters to justify your position by supplying a rational argument to support your position. After all, you did keep insisting that you knew what you were voting for, right? No! We knew what we were voting AGAINST. You remainers never quite grasped that one - but, hey! that's history, move on - if you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: For the unskilled young unemployed British people it is , yes The UK cannot fill these unskilled, relatively low-paid jobs from the domestic workforce. Besides which, I thought that one of the by-products of Brexit was meant to be the up-skilling of the workforce? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, as people are making generalisations , nice of you to add tour own generalisation at the end . Great example there You're welcome ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, hotandsticky said: No! We knew what we were voting AGAINST. You remainers never quite grasped that one - but, hey! that's history, move on - if you can. Remainers knew exactly why brexiteers were voting for it. In a word, xenophobia, without understanding how the economy runs. No other issue mattered at all to them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, RayC said: Welcome, Bruno. As we are dealing in generalisations, this might be classified as a typical comment from the Brexiter camp: A statement without any supporting evidence Says a socialist whose Party didn't have a CLUE what to do at the time, and still don't...........???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RayC said: The UK cannot fill these unskilled, relatively low-paid jobs from the domestic workforce. Besides which, I thought that one of the by-products of Brexit was meant to be the up-skilling of the workforce? Could try cutting UK benefits and increasing the wages ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, RayC said: The UK cannot fill these unskilled, relatively low-paid jobs from the domestic workforce. Besides which, I thought that one of the by-products of Brexit was meant to be the up-skilling of the workforce? I reckon you've got a condo on Costa de Lotta and ain't fixed yer visa thingy......???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, hotandsticky said: No! We knew what we were voting AGAINST. You remainers never quite grasped that one - but, hey! that's history, move on - if you can. Then just own the shambles that you helped create instead of forever blaming Remainers and the EU. The UK government needs to take responsibility and be accountable for its' actions; something that it has almost completely neglected to do since 2016. We've been done this road so many times before. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, RayC said: Then just own the shambles that you helped create instead of forever blaming Remainers and the EU. The UK government needs to take responsibility and be accountable for its' actions; something that it has almost completely neglected to do since 2016. We've been done this road so many times before. Yes, move on . Brexit was years ago and the concerns of today are Covid and Ukraine and French immigration incompetence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RayC said: Then just own the shambles that you helped create instead of forever blaming Remainers and the EU. The UK government needs to take responsibility and be accountable for its' actions; something that it has almost completely neglected to do since 2016. We've been done this road so many times before. Nobody is blaming remainers, it is people like you who are still smarting 6 years on. YOU, forget, the UK populace voted to leave, so put it on the shelf, you lost.....Finished....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Could try cutting UK benefits and increasing the wages ? You could but, presumably, you wouldn't want to cut benefits for those in genuine need (as opposed to those who might be labelled 'workshy'. I'd suggest that developing the criteria to differentiate isn't an overnight job. I'm all for improving workers' T&C but perhaps, today's economic climate isn't the best time to add to the inflationary pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, nauseus said: The old posts are gone now AFIK but it was true about 5 years ago that any abuse invariably originated from remainers, especially post referendum. That is your recollection of events. I'm sure many others would disagree with it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RayC said: That is your recollection of events. I'm sure many others would disagree with it. Yes, foot stomping remainers......???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Could try cutting UK benefits and increasing the wages ? Government setting wages? That's a bit left wing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, move on . Brexit was years ago and the concerns of today are Covid and Ukraine and French immigration incompetence Really? Yet other Brexiters say it hasn't begun yet... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, transam said: I reckon you've got a condo on Costa de Lotta and ain't fixed yer visa thingy......???? 18 minutes ago, transam said: Says a socialist whose Party didn't have a CLUE what to do at the time, and still don't...........???? I know that I shouldn't encourage you, but I'm curious how you arrive at these assumptions (especially the bizarre nonsense about visas and the Costa de Lotta)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, RayC said: That is your recollection of events. I'm sure many others would disagree with it. Well I can see one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, move on . Brexit was years ago and the concerns of today are Covid and Ukraine and French immigration incompetence The referendum was years ago but how can you ignore the ongoing effects? The fact that the UK government wants to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement demonstrates that:Brexit' is still a 'live' issue today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, RayC said: I know that I shouldn't encourage you, but I'm curious how you arrive at these assumptions (especially the bizarre nonsense about visas and the Costa de Lotta)? And do you really expect a sensible answer? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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