asereg123 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Florida gov study finds: "This analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks." https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-doc.pdf https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/20221007-guidance-mrna-covid19-vaccines-analysis.pdf Moderator's Note: Since the Florida surgeon general made this announcement of his agency's findings, there has been considerable pushback from many in the scientific community challenging the validity of the report. Here are two independent fact check reports refuting the study's findings: https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-floridas-covid-19-vaccination-analysis-is-flawed-experts-say/ Florida’s COVID-19 Vaccination Analysis Is Flawed, Experts Say "The state of Florida recently announced that it was no longer recommending that younger males receive mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, based on an unpublished analysis that purportedly found an increased risk of cardiac-related death following vaccination. But experts who specialize in the unique method used in the analysis say it was not properly done." https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-state-of-florida-spreads-antivaccine-disinformation-disguised-as-an-epidemiological-study/ The State of Florida spreads antivaccine disinformation disguised as an epidemiological “study” On Friday, Florida State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo released a non-peer-reviewed “study” that recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines based on bad epidemiology and science. This is the first time that we’ve seen a state government weaponize bad science to spread antivaccine disinformation as official policy, a dangerous new escalation in antivaccine propaganda. (Final conclusion) "Unfortunately, thanks to Gov. Ron DeSantis, the entire state medical and public health apparatus of Florida has become a tool for spreading his COVID-19 minimizing antivax propaganda, with Dr. Ladapo having eagerly signed on to be his willing accomplice in spreading misinformation. It’s a hell of a thing when an actual state public health apparatus publishes something that’s not just wrong, but intentionally misleading and dangerous, such as this study with anonymous authors. It has succeeded in its purpose, to serve as what seems to lay people like scientific justification for antivaccine messaging." ------------------------- Science Based Medicine PRO-SCIENCE Overall, we rate Science-Based Medicine Pro-Science based on the use of scientific sources and support for the consensus of science. We also rate them Very-High for factual reporting due to scientific sourcing and a clean fact check record. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/science-based-medicine/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degrub Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 From the citation: “Limitations These data are preliminary, based on surveillance data, and should be interpreted with caution. The results have several limitations: While this method has been used to assess risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination,2 it violates the assumption that an event does not affect subsequent exposure (for mRNA vaccines), which may introduce bias.6 Further, it does not consider the multidose vaccination schedule required for mRNA vaccination. This study cannot determine the causative nature of a participant’s death. We used death certificate data and not medical records. COVID testing status was unknown for those who did not die of/with COVID. Cardiac-related deaths were ascertained if an ACME code of I3-I52 were on their death certificate, thus, the underlying cause of death may not be cardiac-related. The finding that the Janssen vaccine was more protective than mRNA vaccine against mortality within 28 days of vaccination could be due to confounding and needs to be further evaluated. It is likely that the populations who received COVID-19 mRNA vaccine and the Johnson vaccine are different, something we were not able to ascertain in this analysis. It is possible that the population who received the Johnson vaccine was younger and healthier than those receiving the mRNA vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines were released more than 2 months earlier than the Janssen vaccine when the recommendations were limited to those 65 and older. “ interesting anecdotal records and observations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorquayFan Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Thanks for posting - it's important to know. It was the Astra-Zeneca vaccine that was the focus for this worry at the start - now the mRNA vaccines too are of concern, for younger men. . . Now 75, I had 3 Pfizer with no problems but one 50% Moderna dose knocked me over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Not much to worry about. When I was in primary school, they came out with a study that tried to prove potato as a cause of cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degrub Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 One difference between the Moderna and the Pfizer - about double the volume with the Moderna, so much higher dose and stronger immune response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danferguson Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 The "study" has no named authors, not published in a reputable scientific journal, not peer reviewed, and the Florida SG is a well known Covid denier and anti vaxxer. I have also seen about a dozen people completely debunking this "study" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retiree Posted October 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2022 The Florida post has been debunked in detail in these and other threads. -- Retiree 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asereg123 Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, retiree said: The Florida post has been debunked in detail in these and other threads. -- Retiree I read the thread and she actually points out valid flaws with this study. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 As there is considerable debate about the validity of the Florida study cited in the OP, this thread and topic is --CLOSED--. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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