4 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

I think a lot of them are engaged in keeping people playing nice.

I think a lot of them were employed to push the previous owners woke, anti-Trump agenda.

Obviously Mr. Musk doesn't want them around any more.

49 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Wokes are neither workers or owners.

As for abusive work conditions, I always took the payoffs to leave, new job next day, and cash in my pocket.

I've read a lot of nonsense here, but nothing that tops "Wokes are neither workers or owners." If they get a salary, they're workers. 

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think a lot of them were employed to push the previous owners woke, anti-Trump agenda.

Obviously Mr. Musk doesn't want them around any more.

I believe that's a correct assumption, albeit worded slightly differently than I would have.

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I've read a lot of nonsense here, but nothing that tops "Wokes are neither workers or owners." If they get a salary, they're workers. 

I used to work for a company that employed a lot of wokes, they couldn't do any of the work required but they looked great on the 'affirmative action' statistics. At one point it was hard to get the work done, as there were too few people employed on their merits. Couldn't even use them to run errands as that would have upset them.

 

They all got a generous salary, but they were hardly workers.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Good way to clear out the wokes.

I was thinking the same thing. No need for snowflakes working at Twitter. Time to clear the decks.

Just now, Keep Right said:

I was thinking the same thing. No need for snowflakes working at Twitter. Time to clear the decks.

GM led the charge by suspending advertising the moment Musk took over. You don't need a crystal ball to predict the outcome if that happens. He will be depending on all subscriptions and very little advertising. Good luck with that. Twitter is toast.

Just now, ozimoron said:

GM led the charge by suspending advertising the moment Musk took over. You don't need a crystal ball to predict the outcome if that happens. He will be depending on all subscriptions and very little advertising. Good luck with that. Twitter is toast.

Better toast than a vehicle to spread more Woke theology.

53 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

...and now you know why I am not employed in the sciences...........  

 

need more coffee.  

 

Thought that sounded a tad generous.  OK, a mere $40,000 severance.   Makes life a lot harder. 

Even 25 years ago in the UK, I was paid the equivalent of $142,000 annual salary as a 'techie' guy (mobile telecoms/software).

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I used to work for a company that employed a lot of wokes, they couldn't do any of the work required but they looked great on the 'affirmative action' statistics. At one point it was hard to get the work done, as there were too few people employed on their merits. Couldn't even use them to run errands as that would have upset them.

 

They all got a generous salary, but they were hardly workers.

So just another pointless unproveable alleged observation of yours. 

5 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

I was thinking the same thing. No need for snowflakes working at Twitter. Time to clear the decks.

Yet he's already having second thoughts..............

 

Now, it seems Musk is concerned that not enough employees are buying into his vision of an“extremely hardcore” Twitter. Bloomberg reports that Musk has been pitching “key employees” on his plans and that he has tapped other leaders “to convince employees to stay” on at the company.

 

100's have opted for severance

 

"The departures raise new questions about whether the remaining Twitter engineers will be able to reliably keep the service up and running. Current and former employees are already speculating that the latest exodus could further put Twitter’s ability to function at risk, especially with the start of the World Cup a few days away."

I wonder if can be encouraged to buy FOX?

Twitter continued to bleed engineers and other workers on Thursday, after new owner Elon Musk gave them a choice to pledge to “hardcore” work or resign with severance pay.

 

Some took to Twitter to announce they were signing off after Musk’s deadline to make the pledge.

 

https://apnews.com/article/world-cup-elon-musk-twitter-inc-technology-sports-d9217e91f876794bd7816013fbbc8cbb?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_03

On 11/18/2022 at 12:11 PM, BritManToo said:

I think a lot of them were employed to push the previous owners woke, anti-Trump agenda.

Obviously Mr. Musk doesn't want them around any more.

Nothing more useless than an employee whose job is critical.

 

"Hours before a Thursday deadline that Elon Musk had given Twitter employees to decide whether to stay or leave their jobs, the social media company appeared to be in disarray.

Mr. Musk and his advisers held meetings with some Twitter workers whom they deemed “critical” to stop them from leaving, four people with knowledge of the conversations said. He sent out confusing messages about the company’s remote work policy, appearing to soften his stance on not allowing people to work from home before warning their managers, according to those people and internal emails viewed by The New York Times."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/17/technology/twitter-elon-musk-ftc.html

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20 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I used to work for a company that employed a lot of wokes, they couldn't do any of the work required but they looked great on the 'affirmative action' statistics. At one point it was hard to get the work done, as there were too few people employed on their merits. Couldn't even use them to run errands as that would have upset them.

 

They all got a generous salary, but they were hardly workers.

I call BS on that. So what organisation employed a significant number of workers not on their merits? What category were they that gave the business merit to hire them when they were not the best - women, certain ethnicities? I thought you had not worked for a while too when woke wasn't a thing.   

Edited November 18, 20223 yr by Fat is a type of crazy

6 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I call BS on that. So what organisation employed a significant number of workers not on their merits? What category were they that gave the business merit to hire them when they were not the best - women, certain ethnicities? I thought you had not worked for a while too when woke wasn't a thing.   

Take a trip round the sun on the next spacecraft going that way and you should spot them.

Edited November 18, 20223 yr by ozimoron

I suspect the Saudi co-owners of Twitter will indeed be keen to push an anti ‘woke’ agenda. They certainly didn’t get involved to promote free speech and open discussion.

 

They might though be interested in the power to manipulate public opinion. 
 

I suspect in this they found the right co-owner in Musk.

31 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I used to work for a company that employed a lot of wokes, they couldn't do any of the work required but they looked great on the 'affirmative action' statistics. At one point it was hard to get the work done, as there were too few people employed on their merits. Couldn't even use them to run errands as that would have upset them.

 

They all got a generous salary, but they were hardly workers.

But it was worth your suffering at the time, if only because you could recount your experiences years later on an anonymous Internet forum.

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect the Saudi co-owners of Twitter will indeed be keen to push an anti ‘woke’ agenda. They certainly didn’t get involved to promote free speech and open discussion.

 

They might though be interested in the power to manipulate public opinion. 
 

I suspect in this they found the right co-owner in Musk.

hmm. "Axis of Evil" springs to mind. Who might get involved with Saudi money I wonder?

48 minutes ago, candide said:

Without a proper plan on who should leave the company, really? The problem, as you surely know, is that when such offers (or threats) are made, It's usually the good people who leave the company, the ones who can easily get another job because they are competent and efficient. And from the OP, That's what they do: leave!

Someone offers me 40,000 plus dollars to leave and I'll take it. There's always another job and, unlike tw*tter at present, a chance the boss there knows what they are doing.

I think some people are getting carried away with the fairness aspect of this and losing sight of the big picture:  Musk is continuing to run his $44 billion investment into the ground.

 

Under the circumstances, I think a severance package is a good deal.  Twitter is looking more and more like a sinking ship.

39 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

100's have opted for severance

When Musk took over they had over 7500 employees, 100's have quit, so what?

 

If 3000 or 4000 quit then I think he might have a problem, especially as he already culled 1000's of those who he deemed unneccessary.

 

It's a private company now, so who cares what they do?

 

If they feel the need to hire new staff then I'm sure there will be tens of thousands of people applying for the jobs.

13 minutes ago, ukrules said:

When Musk took over they had over 7500 employees, 100's have quit, so what?

 

If 3000 or 4000 quit then I think he might have a problem, especially as he already culled 1000's of those who he deemed unneccessary.

 

It's a private company now, so who cares what they do?

 

If they feel the need to hire new staff then I'm sure there will be tens of thousands of people applying for the jobs.

Musk already fired half of the 7500 employees at the company, so with hundreds leaving he is probably left with less than 3000 employees. And ,as has already been mentioned, the hundreds that are leaving are the ones that have a choice i.e. the highly qualified people who can easily go out and get a good job at another company. With the messages Musk has sent out, nobody would want to work for him unless they have no other choice.

Edited November 18, 20223 yr by Sophon

Just now, Sophon said:

You are forgetting that Musk already fired half of the 7500 employees at the company. And ,as has already been mentioned, the hundreds that are leaving are the ones that have a choice i.e. the highly qualified people who can easily go out and get a good job at another company. With the messages Musk has sent out, nobody would want to work for him unless they have no other choice.

Not so easily, the tech industry is currently laying off tens or hundreds of thousands of workers, including engineers. It may be that he can turn Twitter into a unionless sweat shop.

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Not so easily, the tech industry is currently laying off tens or hundreds of thousands of workers, including engineers. It may be that he can turn Twitter into a unionless sweat shop.

Not all goals come easy...

34 minutes ago, ukrules said:

When Musk took over they had over 7500 employees, 100's have quit, so what?

 

If 3000 or 4000 quit then I think he might have a problem, especially as he already culled 1000's of those who he deemed unneccessary.

 

It's a private company now, so who cares what they do?

 

If they feel the need to hire new staff then I'm sure there will be tens of thousands of people applying for the jobs.

If you had quoted my full post then your questions would already been addressed

1 hour ago, Keep Right said:

I was thinking the same thing. No need for snowflakes working at Twitter. Time to clear the decks.

Sorry if this is a bit late, but welcome to the Forum, it’s always nice to see new members joining.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Is Musk really imposing abusive work conditions ?  or have you exaggerated the response to present a stronger counter argument to Britman suggesting its a good way to get rid of the wokes ?

 

I don’t know the specific details, I also doubt the media is giving a truly balanced and unbiased account of the situation - I also know there are plenty of labor laws that must be adhered to.

 

People may lose some of the perks they believe they were entitled to.

 

Some people think the world owes them a living...  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's asking them to work 20 hour days 7 days a week. 

One former Twitter worker who wished to remain anonymous told the BBC: "I think when the dust clears today, there's probably going to be less than 2,000 people left."

Another person said they had resigned even though they had been prepared to work long hours.

"I didn't want to work for someone who threatened us over email multiple times about only 'exceptional tweeps should work here' when I was already working 60-70 hours weekly," they said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63672307

Another underreported aspect of the case is that Musk is stealing from Tesla. He's using Tesla's engineers to figure out problems at Twitter. Tesla is a publicly owned company. Musk has no right to use its employees to bail him out of problems he's having with his privately owned company. I don't see how he can defend himself if shareholders bring a lawsuit against him.

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Another underreported aspect of the case is that Musk is stealing from Tesla. He's using Tesla's engineers to figure out problems at Twitter. Tesla is a publicly owned company. Musk has no right to use its employees to bail him out of problems he's having with his privately owned company. I don't see how he can defend himself if shareholders bring a lawsuit against him.

He’ll defend himself ok until the cash is gone, how else do you get away with slander like he did a couple of years ago ?