Scott Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 WASHINGTON — The Biden administration plans to send M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, U.S. officials said on Tuesday, in what would be a major step in arming Kyiv in its efforts to seize back its territory from Russia. The White House is expected to announce a decision as early as Wednesday, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions. One official said the number of Abrams tanks could be between 30 and 50. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/24/world/russia-ukraine-news 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannork Posted January 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2023 Excellent news, calling Scholz's bluff. Now he has to free the leopards. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2023 Most excellent news I’m sure it’s a real boost to Ukrainian morale and the Russians must be(delete) their pants! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted January 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2023 It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. The Republican chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee McCaul on Sunday suggested the United States should send the M1 Abrams tank to Ukraine, calling it a “game changer.” 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. Maybe not "war hawks", maybe just "good men" doing something! “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” -------John Stuart Mill, 1867. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, LosLobo said: Maybe not "war hawks", maybe just "good men" doing something! “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” -------John Stuart Mill, 1867. John Stuart Mill was in favor of mindless war escalation leading to WWIII...good to know. Edited January 25, 2023 by Pattaya Spotter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: John Stuart Mill was in favor of mindless war escalation leading to WWIII...good to know. Another aseannow member in possession of a crystal ball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannork Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 An increase in ammunition too . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 This public announcement should escalate things nicely. I'm all for helping Ukraine, but why all the announcements? Just do it discretely for goodness sake. I guess they can't resist the opportunity for Virtue Signalling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. Politically Germany didn't really take much notice of little UK sending tanks, although it starting the ball rolling with other countries and now with the USA capable of sending hundreds of tanks has given the nug to Germany. I will be surprised to see them there once hundreds of Leopard tank are in Ukraine though. It would be good if US sent tanks though to Germany to show they take NATO defense seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. War hawks? If the US and other NATO countries were sending troops, you might have a point. But helping a sovereign country with arms to defend themselves against an invader....at the very least, it's the decent thing to do. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Politically Germany didn't really take much notice of little UK sending tanks, although it starting the ball rolling with other countries and now with the USA capable of sending hundreds of tanks has given the nug to Germany. I will be surprised to see them there once hundreds of Leopard tank are in Ukraine though. It would be good if US sent tanks though to Germany to show they take NATO defense seriously. Germany did take notice of the UK announcement. They responded by saying they wouldn't block Poland sending tanks. The US has Abrams M! tanks in Germany already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday “it’s time, past time” for the Biden administration and allies to send more military aid to Ukraine, and that the U.S. must provide more tanks and weapons to help Ukraine “win this war.” https://apnews.com/article/us-m1-abrams-tanks-ukraine-russia-249de5c301a9bf83b5f3ac2182076a02?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_05 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Hopefully the Ukrainians have allready been training on the new equipment in secret so they can be ready come spring 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: This public announcement should escalate things nicely. I'm all for helping Ukraine, but why all the announcements? Just do it discretely for goodness sake. I guess they can't resist the opportunity for Virtue Signalling. The Ukraine training for the tanks should have happen months ago, then they would be ready to use them straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, vandeventer said: The Ukraine training for the tanks should have happen months ago, then they would be ready to use them straight away. They will take longer to deploy them than it will to train the crews. The tanks aren't expected in Ukraine for months. source: previously linked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Berkshire said: War hawks? If the US and other NATO countries were sending troops, you might have a point. But helping a sovereign country with arms to defend themselves against an invader....at the very least, it's the decent thing to do. Nobody's business except The Ukraine and Russia...nothing but a family domestic dispute. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 hours ago, ozimoron said: Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday “it’s time, past time” for the Biden administration and allies to send more military aid to Ukraine, and that the U.S. must provide more tanks and weapons to help Ukraine “win this war.” https://apnews.com/article/us-m1-abrams-tanks-ukraine-russia-249de5c301a9bf83b5f3ac2182076a02?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_05 The military-industrial-Congressional complex never misses an opportunity to sow more mayhem around the world while they seek glory and profits. Sad so many buy the lies and gaslighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Nobody's business except The Ukraine and Russia...nothing but a family domestic dispute. Just like WW2 where the British royal family's ancestry was German? Your claim that Ukraine and Russia are "family" is risible. Do us a favour and research the Holomador. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 It may take years before any Western tanks reach The Ukraine, and by then, Russia will have likely mopped-up the last of Ukraine. Nothing but another stupendous waste of treasure from Western armories. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/25/world/russia-ukraine-news/getting-tanks-to-the-front-lines-looms-as-a-challenge-for-ukraine?smid=url-share 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It may take years before any Western tanks reach The Ukraine, and by then, Russia will have likely mopped-up the last of Ukraine. Nothing but another stupendous waste of treasure from Western armories. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01/25/world/russia-ukraine-news/getting-tanks-to-the-front-lines-looms-as-a-challenge-for-ukraine?smid=url-share The article you linked headlines US tanks. Your misquote seems intended to deceive. The link does not reflect your claim. Edited January 25, 2023 by ozimoron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The article you linked headlines US tanks. Your misquote seems intended to deceive. The link does not reflect your claim. The article reports the US tanks, along with other nation's stocks, are already stockpiled at arms depots in Europe. You seem to be under the impression the two years is because the US tanks are in the U.S. This is not the case; and the long lead time is despite the tanks already being in Europe and near the front lines. There are a myriad of operational and logistical reasons for the long lead time. The article also points out that Russia will also have a big incentive to disrupt the rail and truck routes bringing in these escalatory weapons. The best of luck to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: The article reports the US tanks, along with other nation's stocks, are already stockpiled at arms depots in Europe. You seem to be under the impression the two years is because the US tanks are in the U.S. This is not the case; and the long lead time is despite the tanks already being in Europe and near the front lines. There are a myriad of operational and logistical reasons for the long lead time. The article also points out that Russia will also have a big incentive to disrupt the rail and truck routes bringing in these escalatory weapons. The best of luck to them. As the article notes these are the same rail and truck routes that have been supplying Ukraine all along. So far, the Russians have failed to interdict them. Not surprising, given their general incompetence. As other articles have noted, the Leopard 2 should be fully operational within 2 months at most. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 21 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: It seems like the war hawks are in complete control in the Biden administration. I assume you meant to post "the Putin administration". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Nobody's business except The Ukraine and Russia...nothing but a family domestic dispute. Really? Is that how you describe the invasion of a country by a neighboring country? Good luck rewriting all those history books. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: The military-industrial-Congressional complex never misses an opportunity to sow more mayhem around the world while they seek glory and profits. Sad so many buy the lies and gaslighting. How is it that some people keep forgetting that Putin started this war. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: The article reports the US tanks, along with other nation's stocks, are already stockpiled at arms depots in Europe. You seem to be under the impression the two years is because the US tanks are in the U.S. This is not the case; and the long lead time is despite the tanks already being in Europe and near the front lines. There are a myriad of operational and logistical reasons for the long lead time. The article also points out that Russia will also have a big incentive to disrupt the rail and truck routes bringing in these escalatory weapons. The best of luck to them. "The best of luck to them." So you admit you are pro-Russia. Unusual, most of the pro-Russia posters pretend to be neutral. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LosLobo Posted January 26, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2023 14 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Nobody's business except The Ukraine and Russia...nothing but a family domestic dispute. The United Nations would dispute your narrative. Suggest you read the UN Charter.Charter of the United Nations - Wikipedia 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NativeBob Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, ozimoron said: Do us a favour and research the Holomador. ^^^? Edited January 26, 2023 by NativeBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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