Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

Because your statement is so overly simplistic that it is laughable. Russia did not just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine for no reason whatsoever. The west meddled in Ukraine's internal politics which for the Russians was unacceptable. 

 Why can't you not grasp this is not a black/white situation? War never is. 

Russia planned the invasion for months and lied that they weren't going to invade. It couldn't get easier to understand. Nor could the war crimes.

35 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Because your statement is so overly simplistic that it is laughable. Russia did not just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine for no reason whatsoever. The west meddled in Ukraine's internal politics which for the Russians was unacceptable. 

 Why can't you not grasp this is not a black/white situation? War never is. 

Bull.  How did the west meddle in Ukraine's internal politics?  Provide credible sources.

Edited January 28, 20233 yr by heybruce

32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Because your statement is so overly simplistic that it is laughable. Russia did not just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine for no reason whatsoever. The west meddled in Ukraine's internal politics which for the Russians was unacceptable. 

 Why can't you not grasp this is not a black/white situation? War never is. 

Putin has been planning this for years he laid the ground since before his stealing of  Crimea and the Donbas he went to great lengths indeed as far as helping a (at best) a useful imbecile in the White House to weaken Allies and hopefully kill or weaken nato oh yes there maxim pre mediation on this war of subjection and extermination slava Ukraine ???????? kick the invaders out!

For the cost of one Abrams tank, you can buy 50 Javelin anti-tank missiles. Plus training on the Abrams is a 22 week course. So when will these machines actually arrive and will they do much good? 

 

From my time in the military, tanks were not considered defensive weapons anyway. They are best used on offence.  So why does Ukrain suddenly want offensive weapons?

26 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

For the cost of one Abrams tank, you can buy 50 Javelin anti-tank missiles. Plus training on the Abrams is a 22 week course. So when will these machines actually arrive and will they do much good? 

 

From my time in the military, tanks were not considered defensive weapons anyway. They are best used on offence.  So why does Ukrain suddenly want offensive weapons?

"So why does Ukrain suddenly want offensive weapons?"

 

So they can retake territory taken by Russia.  You're a vet and you couldn't figure that out?

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Edited January 28, 20233 yr by heybruce

35 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

From my time in the military, tanks were not considered defensive weapons anyway. They are best used on offence.  So why does Ukrain suddenly want offensive weapons?

Probably to mount an 'offense' against Russian forces illegally occupying parts of Ukraine.

On 1/26/2023 at 5:28 AM, Tug said:

Let’s hope comrade Putin gets the message and escalates the speed of his exit from ALL of Ukraine ???????? 

I think he's getting the message?

https://fb.watch/iklWD737Vr/

50 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"So why does Ukrain suddenly want offensive weapons?"

 

So they can retake territory taken by Russia.  You're a vet and you couldn't figure that out?

I thought the purpose of arming Ukraine was to stop the Russians, bleed them white, then force them to the bargaining table or to retreat. Not to mount offensive operatrions. 

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I thought the purpose of arming Ukraine was to stop the Russians, bleed them white, then force them to the bargaining table or to retreat. Not to mount offensive operatrions. 

You thought the goal of arming Ukraine was to freeze the battle lines into an indefinite war of attrition?  A war decided when one side decides it can bleed no more?

 

Where did you get that idea?  The purpose of arming Ukraine was so Ukraine could defend itself and kick out the Russian military.