ozimoron 18035 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2023/mar/25/berlin-welcomes-topless-female-swimmers-in-victory-for-activists 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pique Dard 1346 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 "my body is my choice" i wonder, so you chose to be born and to be born woman? just a question 🙂 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StayinThailand2much 7579 Posted March 25 Popular Post Share Posted March 25 I welcome those topless activists. However, pics would help in understanding the importance of such news... 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nglodnig 563 Posted March 25 Popular Post Share Posted March 25 Turn Around! TURN AROUND! 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear 416 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 First World problems 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady 9832 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Very interesting, but the slogan "my body, my choice" doesn't always apply. There are plenty of situations where, even though your body does belong to you, you cannot choose what you do with it and have to follow rules and laws. Also, your "choice" of what you do with your body doesn't protect you from any consequences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ 21948 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 So in Berlin you will then see topless women (and don't assume it's the young aesthetic figures first) side by side with burkini swimmers (no joke!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunBENQ 21948 Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 7 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said: I welcome those topless activists. However, pics would help in understanding the importance of such news... Have ever been to a nudist camp? After that you won't be too eager for more pics. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou 10668 Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 (edited) 10 hours ago, Pique Dard said: "my body is my choice" i wonder, so you chose to be born and to be born woman? just a question If you bothered to read the slogan, you wouldn't need to ask that question...it is "My body [,] my choice", not "My body is my choice". Those in the photo are expressing their right to do what they want with their own bodies, none of them are claiming that they chose the body they have. Edited March 26 by Liverpool Lou 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritManToo 73193 Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: If you bothered to read the slogan, you wouldn't need to ask that question...it is "My body [,] my choice", not "My body is my choice". Those in the photo are expressing their right to do what they want with their own bodies, none of them are claiming that they chose the body they have. Their body, their choice ......... apart from COVID vaccination, which is the government and big pharmas choice. 2 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Liverpool Lou 10668 Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, BritManToo said: Their body, their choice ......... apart from COVID vaccination, which is the government and big pharmas choice. I don't believe that any governments, or drug companies, forced people to have vaccinations against their will. 6 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sunmaster 2400 Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said: I don't believe that any governments, or drug companies, forced people to have vaccinations against their will. They did actually. "Vaccinate your children or we will deny them their education." being only one of their tactics. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup 19156 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, BangkokReady said: Very interesting, but the slogan "my body, my choice" doesn't always apply. There are plenty of situations where, even though your body does belong to you, you cannot choose what you do with it and have to follow rules and laws. Also, your "choice" of what you do with your body doesn't protect you from any consequences. Very few countries allow euthanasia, one example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady 9832 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 minutes ago, giddyup said: Very few countries allow euthanasia, one example. True. And in most countries, if you try to harm yourself, people will lock you up for your own protection. I really dislike the "my body my choice" concept. Especially when it's twinned with "you have to do what I say because I'm in X protected group". It's kind of like "My body my choice; but also your body my choice". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron 18035 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: True. And in most countries, if you try to harm yourself, people will lock you up for your own protection. I really dislike the "my body my choice" concept. Especially when it's twinned with "you have to do what I say because I'm in X protected group". It's kind of like "My body my choice; but also your body my choice". It's just a take off from the abortion slogan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady 9832 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: It's just a take off from the abortion slogan. But the problem with this kind of "moral absolutism", or perhaps it's "complete agency", is that you can't pick and choose. Because if it applies in one area it must apply in all. If you can answer "my body, my choice" with "well actually no, you don't always have a choice about what you can do with your body" then it becomes kind of meaningless. We have to share a society, so people cannot simply do whatever they want with their bodies. Otherwise some mental patient should be able to go to the beach, take a <deleted> and start masturbating in front of everyone. Then when people complain he can say "my body, my choice". It's all about the level of body parts and bodily functions that we are happy with being exposed to. We decide as a society and then people have to follow the laws, they cannot simply do whatever they want because it's their body. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer 4568 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Sunmaster said: They did actually. "Vaccinate your children or we will deny them their education." being only one of their tactics. I'm not aware of any countries that made Covid vaccinations mandatory for children to access schooling. Can you name any that did? Edited March 26 by GroveHillWanderer 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron 18035 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: But the problem with this kind of "moral absolutism", or perhaps it's "complete agency", is that you can't pick and choose. Because if it applies in one area it must apply in all. If you can answer "my body, my choice" with "well actually no, you don't always have a choice about what you can do with your body" then it becomes kind of meaningless. We have to share a society, so people cannot simply do whatever they want with their bodies. Otherwise some mental patient should be able to go to the beach, take a <deleted> and start masturbating in front of everyone. Then when people complain he can say "my body, my choice". It's all about the level of body parts and bodily functions that we are happy with being exposed to. We decide as a society and then people have to follow the laws, they cannot simply do whatever they want because it's their body. That's the old slippery slope canard. Those slogans were about women's right to go topless since men do and nothing else. Everything else is whataboutism, off topic and ghosts in the house. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee 5179 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 An off-topic troll post has been removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady 9832 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 31 minutes ago, ozimoron said: That's the old slippery slope canard. Those slogans were about women's right to go topless since men do and nothing else. Everything else is whataboutism, off topic and ghosts in the house. It's not slippery slope, as I was suggesting that it would progress from one thing being allowed to another thing being allowed. It's not whataboutism, as I wasn't suggesting that something else being bad removed the badness of what is being discussed. You really need to learn your concepts a little better. Your simply labelling what I have said as something that it is not in order to avoid having put together a proper rebuttal, because you cannot. They aren't off topic either, as the topic is what parts of the body people can show in public. It's perfectly valid to suggest that what one person thinks is OK another might find indecent. Also women have breasts and men don't, so it isn't the same. It doesn't matter what the slogans were originally user for. You cannot control them in such a way to say that "my body my choice" only counts for abortion and women wanting to go topless. To suggest otherwise is absurd. A principle is a principle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron 18035 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: It's not slippery slope, as I was suggesting that it would progress from one thing being allowed to another thing being allowed. It's not whataboutism, as I wasn't suggesting that something else being bad removed the badness of what is being discussed. You really need to learn your concepts a little better. Your simply labelling what I have said as something that it is not in order to avoid having put together a proper rebuttal, because you cannot. They aren't off topic either, as the topic is what parts of the body people can show in public. It's perfectly valid to suggest that what one person thinks is OK another might find indecent. Also women have breasts and men don't, so it isn't the same. It doesn't matter what the slogans were originally user for. You cannot control them in such a way to say that "my body my choice" only counts for abortion and women wanting to go topless. To suggest otherwise is absurd. A principle is a principle. You have no indication or evidence whatsoever that the intentions of those women writing those slogans on their bodies were anything other than a protest abpout not being allowed to go topless at Berlin swimming pools. Suggesting that anything else is implicated is whataboutery and off topic as I suggested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunmaster 2400 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 51 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: I'm not aware of any countries that made Covid vaccinations mandatory for children to access schooling. Can you name any that did? Italy. Unvaccinated children were not allowed to attend classes. That effectively forced parents to vaccinate them. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron 18035 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Just now, Sunmaster said: Italy. Unvaccinated children were not allowed to attend classes. That effectively forced parents to vaccinate them. Did they not have online classes? Italy was a horror story in the early days of covid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady 9832 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 46 minutes ago, ozimoron said: You have no indication or evidence whatsoever that the intentions of those women writing those slogans on their bodies were anything other than a protest abpout not being allowed to go topless at Berlin swimming pools. It doesn't matter. They don't have a monopoly on the phrase "my body my choice". Anyone saying "my body my choice" is suggesting that as people own their bodies they should be free to choose what to do with them. 46 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Suggesting that anything else is implicated is whataboutery and off topic as I suggested. Again, you have no idea what "whataboutery" is. I recommend you ensure that you have a better understanding of any terms that you use before trying to use them. An analogy is not whataboutery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside 3919 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Off topic post attempting to hijack the thread with covid mandates. Replies also removed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers 47235 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 23 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: I don't believe that any governments, or drug companies, forced people to have vaccinations against their will. They did make life unpleasant for those that refused. Many lost their jobs for their choice. I couldn't even go to the movies without being injected. I did get injected once an old technology version was available, but it was against my will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers 47235 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I'm all for women going topless, but only for those that don't have to wear a bra to keep them in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth 6292 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/26/2023 at 3:45 AM, StayinThailand2much said: I welcome those topless activists. However, pics would help in understanding the importance of such news... Yes , must keep abreast of this situation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will B Good 13298 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I guess if any of them drown they go tits up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer 4568 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/26/2023 at 1:25 PM, Sunmaster said: Italy. Unvaccinated children were not allowed to attend classes. That effectively forced parents to vaccinate them. Are you sure? I can only find articles saying that at one point, school staff in Italy had to be vaccinated. I searched and couldn't find a link with a story about vaccinations for school children being required. Do you have a source I could look at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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