Best/Cheapest LED Light For Hobby

[Plern]

Hi all -

 

I'd like to have a totally cheap hobby grow in an area of about 40x60cm. If anything 40x40 rather than 40x80++

 

Can I get 3-4 plants in 40x60(x120)?

 

Can anyone with experience with lighting comment on what's available at rock bottom prices on SHOPEE (vendor Thailand)? I'm partial to Samsung 281, 301 only because of reading.

 

I see many brand LEDs for under 1k - this cannot be correct.

 

Living in a condo

I only have a few screwdrivers and a pair of needlenose pliers for assembly.

 

The condo itself receives no direct sun.

 

Thank you

 

 

PS I will initially be growing some seeds I had found in some cheap but rather potent weed from a BKK weed shop. 

 

Can anyone recommend:

 

1. Seller and brand of seeds that can be purchased (cod) in Thailand? I need medium to higher yield.

 

2. Potent killer strain, preferably heavy "Indica" hybrid.

 

Thanks again

Edited May 7, 2023 by Plern

[bamnutsak]

I like bacon and sausage.

 

I do not raise pigs in my condo, nor do I use my kitchen as an abattoir, or use my bathroom to smoke and cure meats.

 

I buy bacon and sausage in the store.

 

 

 

Can you grow cannabis in your condo? Sure.

 

How much cannabis do you expect to need, per crop or month?

 

I'd focus on the strain first, do not use bag seed. Do not scrimp on seeds. Maybe consider autoflowers (FastBuds for example).

 

And I wouldn't scrimp on a light. You'll be lucky to get 1 gram/watt with a full spectrum LM301 style LED, probably more like half a gram. There are a lot of second-hand lights for sale on FB, from growers who quickly gave up.

 

And you're going to have to deal with the smell.

 

There are folks out there (in Thailand of course) who will contract grow your seeds, but they can be challenging to find and vet.

 

 

[BritManToo]

It's about 5,000bht for a grow lamp LED that works (2ft x 4ft grow area).

I use HLG240+ Quantum board and it's good for 1-2 flowering plants, 2-4 vegging plants, or 15 seedlings. Assume a 1oz (or less) harvest from a plant.

 

About 95% of the ads currently on Lazada appear to be for fake products.

 

This is one that appears legit.

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/folux-plus-v3-240w-i2920363109-s10707223924.html

Edited May 7, 2023 by BritManToo

[Plern]

27 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

I like bacon and sausage.

 

I do not raise pigs in my condo, nor do I use my kitchen as an abattoir, or use my bathroom to smoke and cure meats.

 

I buy bacon and sausage in the store.

 

 

 

Can you grow cannabis in your condo? Sure.

 

How much cannabis do you expect to need, per crop or month?

 

I'd focus on the strain first, do not use bag seed. Do not scrimp on seeds. Maybe consider autoflowers (FastBuds for example).

 

And I wouldn't scrimp on a light. You'll be lucky to get 1 gram/watt with a full spectrum LM301 style LED, probably more like half a gram. There are a lot of second-hand lights for sale on FB, from growers who quickly gave up.

 

And you're going to have to deal with the smell.

 

There are folks out there (in Thailand of course) who will contract grow your seeds, but they can be challenging to find and vet.

 

 

Yawn

 

You know, I don't think I asked about any of that not a bit.

 

Raising pigs... What a rude, crass and feeble analogy. I guess anyone that has a houseplant is living in a sty? ????????????????

Edited May 7, 2023 by Plern

[Plern]

21 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

About 95% of the ads currently on Lazada appear to be for fake products.

Can you explain that a bit more? Yeah, ok b650 for a 5000b light ez to spot.

 

There are a few vendors with high # reviews and fairly large number of products. I'd assume these legit.

 

Thanks ????

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, Plern said:

Can you explain that a bit more? Yeah, ok b650 for a 5000b light ez to spot.

 

There are a few vendors with high # reviews and fairly large number of products. I'd assume these legit.

 

Thanks ????

Post a link to one of them and I'll tell you if it's legit.

I doubt anyone waits 3 months to post a review of a grow lamp.

Which is the only way you could know if it was likely to work as a newb.

Even the 5000bht lamp I linked is a bit small for 2 plants.

Edited May 7, 2023 by BritManToo

[bamnutsak]

14 minutes ago, Plern said:

Raising pigs... What a rude, crass and feeble analogy. I guess anyone that has a houseplant is living in a sty?

My point was that it may be more cost effective to purchase cannabis than to produce it.

 

Just think about folks with indoor grow rooms struggling to get their AC down to 25 with an outside temp of 40 today.

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by bamnutsak

[Plern]

15 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

My point was that it may be more cost effective to purchase cannabis than to produce it.

 

Just think about folks with indoor grow rooms struggling to get their AC down to 25 with an outside temp of 40 today.

 

 

 

You didn't make your point well.

 

You've also obviously missed my sole reason for doing this: HOBBY.

 

The room will be 26 at night, 28 five hours a day and no AC balance hours. I really don't care TBH it's a weed, it will be fine.

 

I'm perfectly fine paying about 5k all in and expect to get that back out sooner or later in buds.

Edited May 7, 2023 by Plern

[BritManToo]

17 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

My point was that it may be more cost effective to purchase cannabis than to produce it.

 

Just think about folks with indoor grow rooms struggling to get their AC down to 25 with an outside temp of 40 today.

I'm producing a decent crop with no air-con.

But the current 40c isn't good for growing cannabis, Nov/Dec/Jan was fine. 

I've about 6oz from my winter grow, cost me nothing but my time.

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, Plern said:

I really don't care TBH it's a weed, it will be fine.

I'm perfectly fine paying about 5k all in and expect to get that back out sooner or later in buds.

If you don't care it's definitely cheaper to buy brick at 3kbht/kg.

 

Don't waste money on anything apart from the lamp!

Remember, you can't go away for 3 months when you start growing.

Most people give up and get ZERO ROI.

Edited May 7, 2023 by BritManToo

[bamnutsak]

15 minutes ago, Plern said:

You've also obviously missed my sole reason for doing this: HOBBY.

My bad.

 

I thought your reason for growing cannabis was so that you could have cannabis.

 

Silly me.

 

 

 

[Plern]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

It's about 5,000bht for a grow lamp LED that works (2ft x 4ft grow area).

I use HLG240+ Quantum board and it's good for 1-2 flowering plants, 2-4 vegging plants, or 15 seedlings. Assume a 1oz (or less) harvest from a plant.

 

About 95% of the ads currently on Lazada appear to be for fake products.

 

This is one that appears legit.

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/folux-plus-v3-240w-i2920363109-s10707223924.html

@BritManToo

 

Sorry for long urls. I tried to use tiny URL but it got complicated on my phone.

 

The 800w looks tits but also suspect. One (800w) is overseas. Worried about counterfeit product.

 

 

Url edited out. Used private browsing anyway

Edited May 7, 2023 by Plern

[Plern]

11 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

My bad.

 

I thought your reason for growing cannabis was so that you could have cannabis.

 

Silly me.

 

 

 

It would take me a year to smoke an ounce. Probably two.

[BritManToo]

12 minutes ago, Plern said:

@BritManToo

 

Sorry for long urls. I tried to use tiny URL but it got complicated on my phone.

 

The 800w looks tits but also suspect. One (800w) is overseas. Worried about counterfeit product.

 

https://shopee.co.th/ไฟ-LED-เติบโตซัมซุง-LM301H-800W-1000W-UV-IR-เต็มสเปกตรัม-3500k-660nm-730nm-395nm-แหล่งจ่ายไฟ-Meanwell-i.871700430.20853520422?sp_atk=e79e34b6-107d-4ab4-8851-51f6267fa592&xptdk=e79e34b6-107d-4ab4-8851-51f6267fa592

https://shopee.co.th/พร้อมส่ง-SamsungLM301h-ไฟปลูกต้นไม้-Led-Grow-Light-Full-Spectrum-UV-IR-320W-720w-1000w-1200w-ไฟต้นไม้-ไฟปลูก-180°พับได้-i.834515961.19834673113

You can delete the ? and everything after it from links, the extra is just personal data collection.

I haven't used those multi-bar type lamps, but they look legit at 4,000bht.

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by BritManToo

[Plern]

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You can delete the ? and everything after it from links, the extra is just personal data collection.

I haven't used those multi-bar type lamps, but they look legit at 4,000bht.

 

you're using the small LEDs in a panel arra

 

These have always seemed to be most sketchy to me. The ones most easily to mislabel or counterfeit. The tiny little LEDs.

 

LEDs are notorious for a long life can I expect that out of this sort of lighting?

 

Those strike me as the most suspect. What I read about the bar array is that the part may be counterfeit. China eh...

Edited May 7, 2023 by Plern

[BritManToo]

45 minutes ago, Plern said:

you're using the small LEDs in a panel arra

 

These have always seemed to be most sketchy to me. The ones most easily to mislabel or counterfeit. The tiny little LEDs.

 

LEDs are notorious for a long life can I expect that out of this sort of lighting?

 

Those strike me as the most suspect. What I read about the bar array is that the part may be counterfeit. China eh...

I bought 2 of the lamps I use in 2020 (start of COVID).

It's 2023 now and they are both still fully functional, no dead LEDs.

[stoner]

4 hours ago, Plern said:

 

PS I will initially be growing some seeds I had found in some cheap but rather potent weed from a BKK weed shop.

mind telling which shop ? :)

[Plern]

41 minutes ago, stoner said:

mind telling which shop ? ????

I don't know if I should but will say they made me fully aware of the seeds, seeds were obvious, the reason I bought the weed = seeds, + bonus it was cheap like 220-250 I forget. Apologies.

[Plern]

Hey all

 

I've come to my senses and decided that buying a b1000 LED + energy is not worth the challenge/ hobby. What I will do is buy a b300 W bulb because there's no direct light in the condo. Even more challenging.

 

So, this thread is done. Thank you all for your input. I did learn a bit from all of you.

[taninthai]

I don’t think you are going to have much success with your methods.

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, taninthai said:

I don’t think you are going to have much success with your methods.

As has been drilled into me, it's not about "success", it's about a "hobby".

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

 

On 5/7/2023 at 8:31 AM, Plern said:

1. Seller and brand of seeds that can be purchased (cod) in Thailand? I need medium to higher yield.

 

2. Potent killer strain, preferably heavy "Indica" hybrid.

Give Siam Seeds a shout. 

 

They are on Line @Siamseeds or Google their site. Ask them what you want and they will help you out with seeds. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Mr Meeseeks

[Mr Meeseeks]

I use MarsHydro LEDs (FC-E8000 and 2 x TSL-2000), but I am tempted to try another cheap LED as I have a bit more tent space now. 

Saw a full spectrum with dimmer on Lazada for around 1,000thb. Gonna give it a try and report back here.