When Meat Grinder?

[Jenkins9039]

Pretty interesting thought process/discussion.

 

Seems the UK has a couple of MP's pushing for Britain to formally enter the Ukraine (US Proxy) v Russia (China Proxy) war and send troops to the meat grinder.

 

As someone who has been a non-resident UK Citizen longer than resident it brings up a interesting dilemma, as the UK citizens (if it occurs) are drafted (conscripted) what happens to us Non-Residents (observe on TV down the local watering hole) - What happened during WW2 with non-resident Brits (yanks, Cad's Anzacs etc).

 

Obviously from my view, the demographics of Ukraine (pre-war) and Russia (pre-war) ultimately represent countries that were all but on life support anyway, the UK / West pushing the idea it's for democracy is laughable as we've essentially (with the EU) taken their natural resources (young fertile females, children) into our system, and even IF Ukraine wins, they won't likely go back when pre-war a doctor would earn roughly 400 Euro a month... (IF memory serves - approx) and now being in Europe/UK etc for x years applications for citizenship would be in their favour, opposed to returning to a bombed out hell-hole, no infrastructure (10+ yrs to re-build), agriculture mined (10 yrs to clear) etc - it's what makes this war so interesting as a observer, Ukraines are literally being slaughtered to no benefit as in a generation or few the country would have collapsed anyway, then its claimed for Democracy and Sovereignty, at the same time they are pushing to join the EU (become a member state thus a province of the EU, which means Sovereignty gone, and Democracy doesn't exist in the EU as the elected head branch are elected by representatives but not by the people). 

 

Setting that aside, are we non residents citizens residing in LOS (i don't mean the old <deleted>, you can carry on slurping beers in the brothels) heading to the front :D 

[topt]

15 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Seems the UK has a couple of MP's pushing for Britain to formally enter the Ukraine (US Proxy) v Russia (China Proxy) war and send troops to the meat grinder.

Link please? 

As to conscription - what are you smoking?

[Jingthing]

Rejecting your characterization of this war entirely, there is no current risk of the UK sending troops at the moment.

However, there is the risk of escalation where Nato would get directly involved such as if war criminal Putin carries out his threats about creating a nuclear event at the Zaporizhzhia  plant. If that happens, Nato might then enter because of fallout in Nato nations, and then Russian side would soon be crushed. Thus hopefully unlikely as the last thing Putin wants at this time is to directly fight Nato. 

Edited July 6, 2023 by Jingthing

[Jenkins9039]

4 hours ago, topt said:

Link please? 

As to conscription - what are you smoking?

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

In the last hundred years or so, the UK has only had conscription twice: from 1916 to 1920 and from 1939 to 1960. In both cases it was only introduced when there was a full scale World War going on.

 

I rather doubt it's going to be reintroduced for a war in Ukraine (when it wasn't for the Falklands war, for example).

[Jenkins9039]

22 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

In the last hundred years or so, the UK has only had conscription twice: from 1916 to 1920 and from 1939 to 1960. In both cases it was only introduced when there was a full scale World War going on.

 

I rather doubt it's going to be reintroduced for a war in Ukraine (when it wasn't for the Falklands war, for example).

Er... perhaps you don't recognise that the UK MP's specifically in charge of the Military are openly discussing the need for a full on war with Russia.

 

That becomes a full on global war.

Russia is proxy for China

Ukraine is proxy for US, UK, EU etc

Edited July 7, 2023 by Jenkins9039

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Er... perhaps you don't recognise that the UK MP's specifically in charge of the Military are openly discussing the need for a full on war with Russia.

 

That becomes a full on global war.

Russia is proxy for China

Ukraine is proxy for US, UK, EU etc

Russia invaded Ukraine. 

China didn’t invade the U.S.

 

Next

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[GroveHillWanderer]

18 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Er... perhaps you don't recognise that the UK MP's specifically in charge of the Military are openly discussing the need for a full on war with Russia.

 

That becomes a full on global war.

Russia is proxy for China

Ukraine is proxy for US, UK, EU etc

The "UK MP's" mentioned in the Tweet (actually just one MP) are not in charge of the military. The Prime Minister (acting with the Cabinet) makes all key political decisions on the use of the UK's armed forces. However it would require a vote of the whole parliament for the UK to go to war in Ukraine.

 

Even if that happened (which seems unlikely) there is almost no chance that conscription would be introduced. And as for the idea that if it did, it would somehow affect UK expats, that's even more fantastical.

 

To sum up, a single, ex-military MP expressing his personal preference for a war with Russia (and not even mentioning conscription in the clip shown) is hardly a convincing argument that conscription is going to happen.