1FinickyOne Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Very responsible young 18 yr old wants a motorcycle for use in Chiang Mai.. At the moment she does not have a license - - I would be very against this but what are the liabilities? I see HS kids riding around all the time... Are there any figures on teenage accidents? And Fatalities? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scubascuba3 Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 i would make it a rule, must wear helmet, rule 2 no helmet and no bike for 1 month, assuming she isn't buying it 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dmaxdan Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 Could you not insist that she applies for a license first? 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RanongCat Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 No. No experience, lisense, helmut already? You wish make Temporary Thai ? 5 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post marin Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 Pass the DL test, get the license, agree to wear helmet is about all you can do other than simply say no. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eisfeld Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 1. No license no motorbike. 2. No helmet no motorbike. 3. No training no motorbike. 4. Everything in order? Have fun with your new motorbike. 12 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post realfunster Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said: Very responsible young 18 yr old wants a motorcycle for use in Chiang Mai.. At the moment she does not have a license - - I would be very against this but what are the liabilities? I see HS kids riding around all the time... Are there any figures on teenage accidents? And Fatalities? If, as you mention, she is mature and responsible, I think she would surely accept the logic of some bike training and getting a license before obtaining or being freely able to use the bike on her own ? For your last question, I don't know figures in detail but it is clear that riding motorbikes has its dangers and motorbike fatalities make up the vast majority of the high number of road deaths in Thailand. You know, it could all just be a cunning ploy from her to get you to buy her a car ???? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BangkokReady Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 She can't be that responsible if she wants a motorcycle without a licence. Legally and safety-wise, this is obviously not the responsible person's choice. Training, licence, then motorcycle with helmet and no booze. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgw Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, eisfeld said: 1. No license no motorbike. 2. No helmet no motorbike. 3. No training no motorbike. 4. Everything in order? Have fun with your new motorbike. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeTallFarang Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 "motorcycle" is a bit too generous. Half-Wai Scoopy special for under 200 freedom bucks isn't a motorcycle, bud. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post petermik Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 12 and 13 year olds a riding bikes around........get her the best bike you can afford then teach her how to ride responsibly and get her a licence and wish her well ???? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kwasaki Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 Well I can't believe how thick fathers coming here asking questions like that, does he not care about his daughter. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeTallFarang Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Well I can't believe how thick fathers coming here asking questions like that, does he not care about his daughter. Not much they can do to stop them but I have to agree, the roads here are deathtraps especially for inexperienced 2wheeled vehicle riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 If 'hell no' doesn't work, then teach her, and everything legal. If responsible, you may want her driving & in control vs pillion rider of someone you don't know. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolkGuitar Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, eisfeld said: 1. No license no motorbike. 2. No helmet no motorbike. 3. No training no motorbike. 4. Everything in order? Have fun with your new motorbike. What he said. There is no question that riding two wheels is dangerous, but there is no way for your to stop her if it is her wish. All you can do is provide the very best instruction (and that needs to be not just 'how to steer the bike' but 'situational awareness' too.) And then. keep your fingers crossed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post patman30 Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) First StopHonda Safety Training Centre Chiang Mai i would also look for any motorbike tours as a fun way to gain more riding experience prior to hitting the road,tell her the bike she will get will depend on training and ability (can still buy whatever) do not skimp on the helmet buy her the best helmet she can find, one that she will want to wear. Edited July 7, 2023 by patman30 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neeranam Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 No way. I've known too many to die in accidents, including my sister in law. For my own children, never. It would be terrible parenting to say yes to a motorbike in Thailand. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I'm not sure about statistics here, they say there are a lot of motorbike accidents, but comparing to what, which other countries...!? Are they dividing the number by kilometers ridden by bikes annually in this country...? Do they even know that number..., say if that is X in some western country, then it is million times X here...., There are so many people ride bikes here, it's not comparable...! So it's more risky, as oppose to what, smoking, drinking...? Now on another note I think bike accident numbers are actually really low here considering the riding and driving habits of Thais, it's a miracle, I can see them every day, just a millisecond or a few centimeters here or there and they should smash to each other, only Buddha saves them....!!!!!? As for OP the license or even helmet won't save anyone on bike, specially in a hard accident..., 3 things save her, training, experience, and cautious riding...., Try to provide that...! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 7 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said: Very responsible young 18 yr old wants a motorcycle for use in Chiang Mai.. At the moment she does not have a license - - I would be very against this but what are the liabilities? I see HS kids riding around all the time... Are there any figures on teenage accidents? And Fatalities? Get her some proper training at a decent driving school https://www.letsridetheworld.com/rider-training/ https://catmotors.net/training/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan O Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 7 hours ago, FolkGuitar said: What he said. There is no question that riding two wheels is dangerous, but there is no way for your to stop her if it is her wish. All you can do is provide the very best instruction (and that needs to be not just 'how to steer the bike' but 'situational awareness' too.) And then. keep your fingers crossed. I would add NO Cell Phone Use on the bike minimum 30 days loss of bike and if 2nd time 6 months you lose the bike. Teach her to ride properly and what to watch out for so she can understand what's really at stake. If there's a local bike accident, take her to see what can happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 13 hours ago, HandsomeTallFarang said: Not much they can do to stop them but I have to agree, the roads here are deathtraps especially for inexperienced 2wheeled vehicle riders. Yes but if a father or a friend make sure she has proper training if you can't teach them yourself and put them through DLT test and at least get a DL first especially in CM, the place is a nightmare for traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Dan O said: I would add NO Cell Phone Use on the bike minimum 30 days loss of bike and if 2nd time 6 months you lose the bike 2nd time, you lose the phone. Much worse than losing the bike! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gomangosteen Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 A topic in our household this week. Friday 30th there was a motorscooter v pickup collision about 1km from home, fatalities were daughter's classmate (17) and her brother (12) overtaking on a bend in the road, head-on into an oncoming pickup. Girl died at the scene, brother several hours later in hospital. It's a minor highway but not overly busy. They didn't have helmets though at that impact may not have made any difference. Rural kids traveling to/from the school in our town. Part B is that when she turns 18 next month i want her to get her licence. She's been riding for several years - with me as pillion and manages well with that additional 90kg on the bike, but it's learning the 'awareness' and survival skills that the licence testing doesn't allow for, looking ahead, predicting/anticipating, and aware of following/oncoming traffic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 The riding and driving licence test is a joke here, I was at DLT a few months ago for a friend computer test, so watching the practical tests outside...., If you see them how they qualify, you laugh...???? Even truck drivers were there, I couldn't believe it, is it really what they have to do to get a truck licence....!!!? Just reverse straight, and go around a few bends at 10kph....! I hope this is not for big trucks..., it's shameful comparing to say a UK test...???????? Thai government should really wake up and do more ...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 My son is still in single digits, I have a motorcycle. My Son going on my motorcycle with me (on the road) is simply a no-go... ever !... We are already planting the seed that he will never have a motorcycle and will not be permitted to travel pillion on a motorcycle if any of his friends have one. What we will do though is get another car once he is of the legal age to drive and he can 'share' our cars. Obviously there is a financial decision and motorcycles are simply a lot more convenient for getting around towns such as Chiang Mai... however... the risks of a teen on a motorcycle by far outweigh any convenience. IF the op can go that far - 18 is the legal age of driving, get her something she can't fall off that offers better protection - i.e. get a her a small car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 18 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said: Very responsible young 18 yr old wants a motorcycle for use in Chiang Mai.. At the moment she does not have a license - - I would be very against this but what are the liabilities? I see HS kids riding around all the time... Are there any figures on teenage accidents? And Fatalities? She may be responsible, but will she say no when 4 of her friends want a lift somewhere? Is she immune to teen pressure which will be not to wear a helmet, IMO. If she doesn't have a license will she be insured? I don't know the death rate, but m'bikes are apparently the major participants in fatalities on Thai roads. The accident may not be her fault, but how will you feel if the m'bike you give her lets her be killed or maimed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Kwasaki said: Yes but if a father or a friend make sure she has proper training if you can't teach them yourself and put them through DLT test and at least get a DL first especially in CM, the place is a nightmare for traffic. No amount of training can stop the other idiot on the road driving into you. I was stationary when some guy drove into me. I was lucky to just have a broken hand and lose several thousand baht. My helmet saved my life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Chance Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Never ride a motor cycle anywhere or anytime is my rule. Make sure you have enough money to support her for her entire life if she become seriously injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: No amount of training can stop the other idiot on the road driving into you. I was stationary when some guy drove into me. I was lucky to just have a broken hand and lose several thousand baht. My helmet saved my life. Someone driving into you where ? CM is so busy at times she will need good training. Some accidents you cannot avoid which sounds like the one you experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kwasaki Posted July 8, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, Don Chance said: Never ride a motor cycle anywhere or anytime is my rule. Make sure you have enough money to support her for her entire life if she become seriously injured. Your choice but not the choice of many. I've enjoyed over 18 years many a ride out on my motorbike in Thailand and find it perfectly safe choosing a certain route not main road routes, lots of people enjoy motorbikes. Many here see it as a necessity. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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