53 minutes ago, connda said:

Read guys like Brzezinski, Kissinger, and McKindred and then you'll have a better understanding.

Start here:
https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.2307/20048199

Far too highbrow for AN I fear

23 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Wow. just wow.  Deployments of troops in friendly countries is worse than invasions of Ukraine (3x), Moldova, Georgia... China building fake islands to get more territory and actively threaten their neighbors.... Incredible to be an apologist for those countries even if you don't always agree with U.S. actions.

No you wont get it.  You werent brought up to get it.  Your govt and news medias do everything in their power to make sure you dont get it.  The education you were provided makes sure you dont get it.  However thanks to the internet and social media today allowing people to make up their own minds we are more and more starting to hear the words "We started it, WE are the bad guys!"

 

22 hours ago, connda said:

Now I'll hear:  "China bad, Russia bad, BRICS is a joke," and so on...

I don't think you can disagree with the fact that China and Russia are bad. They certainly meddle a lot in the goings on of other countries.

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I don't think you can disagree with the fact that China and Russia are bad. They certainly meddle a lot in the goings on of other countries.

Speaking of "meddling in the goings on of other countries?"  The figure that the US government has around 750 bases in 80 countries is a estimate that can be corroborated from multiple sources on the Internet.  I like graphics.

Source: Aljazeera

Do I think Russia and China are "bad?" 
I believe that Russia and China are just like Henry Kissinger's quote regarding the Untied States.
“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”

I'd posit that Russia and China work primarily in their own interests.  So I could change Kissinger's quote as such to fit this looming multi-polar world:
"Large, nuclear-capable nations are neither good nor bad, but only a reflection of their own global interests."

That applies to the US, Russia, China, and EU post-colonial states.  The only difference? 
The Sun is setting in the West and rising in the East.  Like it or not.  Good or bad?  <shrugs> It depends on the color of your personal "reality goggles" I guess.

I see war, economic and kinetic, as bad.
I see international cooperation and trade as good.

That's how my personal "reality goggles" are focused.

29 minutes ago, connda said:

Speaking of "meddling in the goings on of other countries?"  The figure that the US government has around 750 bases in 80 countries is a estimate that can be corroborated from multiple sources on the Internet.  I like graphics.

Source: Aljazeera

Do I think Russia and China are "bad?" 
I believe that Russia and China are just like Henry Kissinger's quote regarding the Untied States.
“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”

I'd posit that Russia and China work primarily in their own interests.  So I could change Kissinger's quote as such to fit this looming multi-polar world:
"Large, nuclear-capable nations are neither good nor bad, but only a reflection of their own global interests."

That applies to the US, Russia, China, and EU post-colonial states.  The only difference? 
The Sun is setting in the West and rising in the East.  Like it or not.  Good or bad?  <shrugs> It depends on the color of your personal "reality goggles" I guess.

I see war, economic and kinetic, as bad.
I see international cooperation and trade as good.

That's how my personal "reality goggles" are focused.

You don't even need to think about the US to know if Russia or China are bad.

 

They do bad things, they say bad things.  They are bad countries.  (Edit: I mean the governments are bad, of course.)

 

I guess you hope to argue "look how bad the US is, therefore Russia and China aren't bad", but it simply doesn't work like that.

Edited July 20, 20232 yr by BangkokReady

9 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

You don't even need to think about the US to know if Russia or China are bad.

 

They do bad things, they say bad things.  They are bad countries.

 

I guess you hope to argue "look how bad the US is, therefore Russia and China aren't bad", but it simply doesn't work like that.

Ok. I value everyone's opinion whether I agree with them or not.  I'm not out to change your mind.  Cheers!

8 minutes ago, connda said:

I value everyone's opinion

Is it an opinion that Russia and China do bad things?

It is a bit late -- the US could have objected as the constitution was rigged to ensure  an army biased appointed senate could determine  who leads the country. 

On 7/19/2023 at 3:58 PM, sandyf said:

Hardly the same Bill, not seen much in the way of Russian and Chinese troops being deployed around the world.

If you paid much attn to the developing world you would know that the Commie powers use proxies...have always done that...while the US has been trying to at least change from supporting extremist govts that have at least treaty-wise allowed them to station troops in a country to train the locals and provide jobs that most foreigners long for.

 

On 7/18/2023 at 1:35 PM, Bim Smith said:

Being lectured by a country that has over thrown some 50 government's since 1945, many of the democratically elected, incitement of numerous illegal invasions, continues to provoke many more by having some 800 military bases around the world and whose own elections are open to massive Fraud with mail in ballots and no voter ID it's laughable he can even comment at all. Or is it really to do with the fact that Thailand announced last year it's dumping it's dollar dept by half by 2016 and applied to join BRICS that will see an end to the dollar as the reserve currency sending there own country into a depression not seen in 100 years and bring an end to US imperialism. The world will be a safer place when it does.

"whose own elections are open to massive Fraud with mail in ballots and no voter ID it's laughable"

 

here we go with the BIG LIE....USA has tons of problems but election fraud has been investigated up and down over and over and over with little if any fraud found...if you have any evidence please share it with us all rather that throwing it out there....the biggest election fraud in USA is caused by gerrymandering done to prevent or make it more difficult for some people to vote....

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

Edited July 20, 20232 yr by pomchop

None of USA business. 

20 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

No you wont get it.  You werent brought up to get it.  Your govt and news medias do everything in their power to make sure you dont get it.  The education you were provided makes sure you dont get it.  However thanks to the internet and social media today allowing people to make up their own minds we are more and more starting to hear the words "We started it, WE are the bad guys!"

You know nothing about me, the media I read, or my education.

 

I'd put my education and understanding of world affairs against yours anytime.  Especially because you're either intentionally setting up a straw man or you're just too bad at reading comprehension to accurately comment on what I said.

 

Pretty ironic for someone setting themselves up as a superior intellect here.

16 hours ago, n00dle said:

It is a bit late -- the US could have objected as the constitution was rigged to ensure  an army biased appointed senate could determine  who leads the country. 

The U.S. did.  And did more than that, it suspended military aid.  The interwebs can be your friend if you know how to use them.

20 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

No you wont get it.  You werent brought up to get it.  Your govt and news medias do everything in their power to make sure you dont get it.  The education you were provided makes sure you dont get it.  However thanks to the internet and social media today allowing people to make up their own minds we are more and more starting to hear the words "We started it, WE are the bad guys!"

Sigh

 

Here we go again.

 

quote "We started it, WE are the bad guys!"

 

Can you please explain who WE are?

 

You certainly are not speaking for me, nor for many other people'

 

You are speaking for yourself and possibly others, but not necessarily for the majority of other people.

An unsupported and unsubstantiated claim the US invaded Syria and a reply has been removed.

 

Another off-topic unsubstaniated claim and reply have also been removed 

54 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

The U.S. did.  And did more than that, it suspended military aid.  The interwebs can be your friend if you know how to use them.

or if you care enough about a topic to look

On 7/21/2023 at 1:34 PM, n00dle said:

or if you care enough about a topic to look

Exactly!  We agree on something ????

None of USA business 

On 7/24/2023 at 10:01 AM, sscc said:

None of USA business 

So strange that people get worked up about "The U.S. supports a democratic outcome in this election."  I guess if you're for the ruling junta, and truly don't care about democracy, or you are Chinese, this would upset you.