Members Choice UK to retain EU safety mark in latest Brexit climbdown

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Your must be wearing your Mystic Chomper Higgot hat today if you know the outcome of the next General Election I am not a betting man but all the media reports stated that Labour would win Uxbridge & South Ruislip by a landslide

I might have a punt at Corbyn as  independent for the next Mayor of London

I would have lost money if I had place a bet that Coutts would never offer Nigel banking facilities again as it appears they now have

Now who’s wandering off topic?

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9 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Your must be wearing your Mystic Chomper Higgot hat today if you know the outcome of the next General Election I am not a betting man but all the media reports stated that Labour would win Uxbridge & South Ruislip by a landslide

I might have a punt at Corbyn as  independent for the next Mayor of London

I would have lost money if I had place a bet that Coutts would never offer Nigel banking facilities again as it appears they now have

What you fail to note is that the Tories took Uxbridge in the previous election by 19,000 votes. This time the margin was 495 votes. In how many ridings did the Tories enjoy such a large majority in the previous election? In how many ridings would a swing of 6.7% towards Labour unseat the current Tory MP?

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11 hours ago, vinny41 said:

 

Its quite simply if you have a product that is intended for the UK market only you would use the UKCA mark if you have a product that you plan to sell in Europe you would use the CE mark 

 

Why would any business go to the bother and expense of getting certified to qualify for the UKCA mark if the existing CE mark is sufficient?

[JonnyF]

Much ado about nothing. Just The Guardian being sore losers again.

 

So we're keeping a logo for a few more years. Big deal. The main point is we won't be paying billions of pounds into the failing, corrupt EU federalist project to prop up countries like Greece and Poland. We'll just use their logo, essentially picking the parts we want. All the benefits with none of the drawbacks. No flies on the UK. 

 

The EU has bigger problems at hand, with it's economic powerhouse Germany flailing around.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/30/germany-expected-to-be-only-major-economy-not-to-grow-this-year

 

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not a ‘Domestic Arrangement’ it’s the continuing implementation of the EU CE mark by the UK, as lobbied for by UK manufacturers.

And the ditching of the proposed UKCA mark.

 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/ce-ukca/

Of course it is a domestic arrangement,  do you really think that all imported goods were going to have to carry the UKCA mark.

There has not been any implementation of the CE mark for a few years, only recognition. The CE mark belongs to the EU and the UK government no longer has any say in the matter other than recognition.

 

Common sense has prevailed and the UK government has conceded to let the current domestic arrangement continue.

I worked for a gas appliance company when the EU directive was published in 1990 and was tasked with getting the product range CE certified.  I said during the brexit campaign that politicians had no idea what they were messing with. In an international marketplace you must have international standards whether it suits the brexit mindset or not..

I used to sit on a BSI committee and the process was farcical. If the government and BSI had got their act together, they would have been issuing the directives before the EU and the Kite mark would have prevailed. 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The main point is we won't be paying billions of pounds into the failing, corrupt EU federalist project to prop up countries like Greece and Poland.

Delusional brexit rhetoric.

Contributions to the EU amounted to 0.6% of income tax in 2015, at the same time the interest on the national debt amounted to 5% of income tax.

Tell us how much did the cost of brexit push up the national debt?

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Delusional brexit rhetoric.

Contributions to the EU amounted to 0.6% of income tax in 2015, at the same time the interest on the national debt amounted to 5% of income tax.

Tell us how much did the cost of brexit push up the national debt?

Yet despite leaving, we are outperforming the EU's powerhouse economy, Germany.

 

Strange huh. It's almost like there was no cliff edge after all.

 

#projectfearwasalie

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Odd then that it’s manufacturers that lobbied the Government to retain the CE mark and ditch the UKCA.

 

Amazing how times have changed. 

When the directives started to appear, CE marking was viewed like the plague by manufacturers and the public alike.

High level management took it as a paperwork exercise and didn't think twice about telling employees to breach the regulations in order to save money.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Much ado about nothing. Just The Guardian being sore losers again.

 

So we're keeping a logo for a few more years. Big deal. The main point is we won't be paying billions of pounds into the failing, corrupt EU federalist project to prop up countries like Greece and Poland. We'll just use their logo, essentially picking the parts we want. All the benefits with none of the drawbacks. No flies on the UK. 

 

The EU has bigger problems at hand, with it's economic powerhouse Germany flailing around.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/30/germany-expected-to-be-only-major-economy-not-to-grow-this-year

 

More whataboutary from a BREXITEER trying to avoid discussion of a example of BREXIT promises being walked back.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Delusional brexit rhetoric.

Contributions to the EU amounted to 0.6% of income tax in 2015, at the same time the interest on the national debt amounted to 5% of income tax.

Tell us how much did the cost of brexit push up the national debt?

More topically, how much has the failed UKCA fiasco cost the UK tax payers and UK manufacturers?

 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More whataboutary from a BREXITEER trying to avoid discussion of a example of BREXIT promises being walked back.

 

 

I thought the EU said we couldn't just pick the parts we wanted.

 

Seems like we can after all.

 

More Remainer lies being exposed. #therewasnocliffedge

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2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Much ado about nothing. Just The Guardian being sore losers again.

 

So we're keeping a logo for a few more years. Big deal. The main point is we won't be paying billions of pounds into the failing, corrupt EU federalist project to prop up countries like Greece and Poland. We'll just use their logo, essentially picking the parts we want. All the benefits with none of the drawbacks. No flies on the UK. 

 

The EU has bigger problems at hand, with it's economic powerhouse Germany flailing around.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/30/germany-expected-to-be-only-major-economy-not-to-grow-this-year

 

Whereas the UK brilliantly outpaced Germany with growth in the 2nd quarter of 0.1%. In other words the UK grew 0.1% faster. And from a far lower base. And the thing is, Germany is a major manufacturing exporter. The UK really can't compare with Germany in that regard. And what ails Germany now are factors outside of its control. The UK's damage is self-inflicted. And do you really want to compare the strength of the Germany economy to the UK's? And the standard of living of most Germans compared to the UK's?

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Amazing how times have changed. 

When the directives started to appear, CE marking was viewed like the plague by manufacturers and the public alike.

High level management took it as a paperwork exercise and didn't think twice about telling employees to breach the regulations in order to save money.

Experiences differ, my own is in the engineering of process plant control systems, I have never once been told nor instructed anyone else to breach any regulation, CE or otherwise.

 

EU standardized regulations have been a very positive development for systems integrators.

 

However, your experiences of management of UK manufacturers of gas appliances instructing staff to breach regulations in order to save money is an example of how UKCA might offer a chance for UK manufacturers to offer lower quality products to the domestic UK market.

 

Though I’m not sure such gas appliances constitute a BREXIT bonus.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I thought the EU said we couldn't just pick the parts we wanted.

 

Seems like we can after all.

 

More Remainer lies being exposed. #therewasnocliffedge

I wasn’t lying when I said I would point out the steps of BREXIT being walked back.

 

This UK Government U-Turn on the CE mark is one such step.

 

Maintaining the EU’s CE mark is very positive for British Industry.

 

Another bit of BREXIT madness defeated by reality.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I wasn’t lying when I said I would point out the steps of BREXIT being walked back.

 

This UK Government U-Turn on the CE mark is one such step.

 

Maintaining the EU’s CE mark is very positive for British Industry.

 

Another bit of BREXIT madness defeated by reality.

They postponed it - whoopydoo. A sensible move IMO, it's not a priority. We'll do it when we want. Why? Because we can. The British do what we want, when we want. No more being told what to do by the failing corrupt federalist EU #thankgodweleft 

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Whereas the UK brilliantly outpaced Germany with growth in the 2nd quarter of 0.1%. In other words the UK grew 0.1% faster.

Yep, despite leaving the EU we outperformed Germany. Cliff edge? lol.

 

#therewasnocliffedge

[hotandsticky]

Just now, JonnyF said:

They postponed it - whoopydoo. A sensible move IMO, it's not a priority. We'll do it when we want. Why? Because we can. The British do what we want, when we want. No more being told what to do by the failing corrupt federalist EU #thankgodweleft 

....and we never said ALL EU generated rules were bad - this one seems sensible so we retain. The sh1tty ones we dump.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

They postponed it - whoopydoo. A sensible move IMO, it's not a priority. We'll do it when we want. Why? Because we can. The British do what we want, when we want. No more being told what to do by the failing corrupt federalist EU #thankgodweleft 

Indefinitely postponed it.

 

Sunak’s dither and delay talk for ‘cancelled’.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yep, despite leaving the EU we outperformed Germany. Cliff edge? lol.

 

#therewasnocliffedge

Keeping you on topic 

 

CE mark U-turn.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

....and we never said ALL EU generated rules were bad - this one seems sensible so we retain. The sh1tty ones we dump.

Exactly. We'll take the bits we want. Just like they said we couldn't.

[vinny41]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

What you fail to note is that the Tories took Uxbridge in the previous election by 19,000 votes. This time the margin was 495 votes. In how many ridings did the Tories enjoy such a large majority in the previous election? In how many ridings would a swing of 6.7% towards Labour unseat the current Tory MP?

2019 General Election Conservative majority 7,210

https://members.parliament.uk/constituency/3817/election-history

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Exactly. We'll take the bits we want. Just like they said we couldn't.

The UK is now taking EU rules and regulations over which the UK has no control.

 

Just like BREXITEERS said the UK would not.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Indefinitely postponed it.

 

Sunak’s dither and delay talk for ‘cancelled’.

Sunak's diplomatic way of saying "We'll remove it when we're good and ready because we do what we want with your certification".

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK is now taking EU rules and regulations over which the UK has no control.

 

Voluntarily using their certification until we don't want to any more.

 

Doing what we want, when we want. 

 

#wedowhatwewant

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Sunak's diplomatic way of saying "We'll remove it when we're good and ready because we do what we want with your certification".

Sunak’s way of saying he gave into business lobbying to can the harm being done by BREXIT zealotry in getting rid of the CE mark.

 

BREXIT Britain, the rule takers.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Sunak’s way of saying he gave into business lobbying to can the harm being done by BREXIT zealotry in getting rid of the CE mark.

 

BREXIT Britain, the rule takers.

Taking the bits we want, ditching the bits we don't want.

 

#bestofbothworlds

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Taking the bits we want, ditching the bits we don't want.

 

#bestofbothworlds

Taking rules from the EU.

 

Plain and simple.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Taking rules from the EU.

 

Plain and simple.

Taking rules? ???? We are voluntarily using their certification until we don't want to any more. 

 

Plain and simple.

 

Must really burn to see the UK economy growing while Germany's stagnates. 

[vinny41]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Why would any business go to the bother and expense of getting certified to qualify for the UKCA mark if the existing CE mark is sufficient?

The government intends to extend recognition of the CE marking for placing most goods on the market in Great Britain, indefinitely, beyond December 2024. These updates apply to the 18 regulations that fall under the Department for Business and Trade (DBT). These are:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Taking rules? ???? We are voluntarily using their certification until we don't want to any more. 

 

Plain and simple.

 

Must really burn to see the UK economy growing while Germany's stagnates. 

But the certification is founded on EU laws, regulations and standards.

 

If at anytime the EU chooses to revise the applicable laws, regulations and standards, UK manufactures will be forced to comply to those EU revisions.

 

Was sovereignty another BREXIT lie, it seems it was.