21 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Justice Antonin Scalia’s politics and jurisprudence weren’t to everyone’s liking, but there was general agreement that he was the Supreme Court’s finest writer during his tenure. Ask practicing lawyers, editors of the New Republic (not exactly Scalia’s target demographic), or even his liberal colleague, Justice Elena Kagan — who declared Scalia to be “indubitably [the Court’s] greatest writer.”

 

https://abovethelaw.com/2016/11/how-justice-scalias-writing-style-affected-american-jurisprudence/

And what relevance does that have to the claim of hypocrisy?

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And what relevance does that have to the claim of hypocrisy?

And what relevance has hypocrisy to the topic of a televised trial?

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

And what relevance has hypocrisy to the topic of a televised trial?

You didn't seem reluctant to engage with a issue just a little ways back.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You didn't seem reluctant to engage with a issue just a little ways back.

Yes and that was sufficient.

7 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Yes and that was sufficient.

A convenient judgement.

8 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Justice Antonin Scalia’s politics and jurisprudence weren’t to everyone’s liking, but there was general agreement that he was the Supreme Court’s finest writer during his tenure. Ask practicing lawyers, editors of the New Republic (not exactly Scalia’s target demographic), or even his liberal colleague, Justice Elena Kagan — who declared Scalia to be “indubitably [the Court’s] greatest writer.”

 

https://abovethelaw.com/2016/11/how-justice-scalias-writing-style-affected-american-jurisprudence/

That doesn't detract from the fact that he was a despicable human being.

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

That doesn't detract from the fact that he was a despicable human being.

He was a great supporter of opera.

Judge denies Mark Meadows effort to move Georgia case to federal court
The ruling is a blow to Meadows’s efforts in federal court to dismiss his case and could influence former president Donald Trump as he decides whether to seek removal himself.

 

September 8, 2023 at 5:54 p.m. EDT

 

A federal judge denied a request Friday from former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to move the Georgia election-interference case against him from state to federal court, a shift he had sought on the grounds that he was a federal officer at the time of the actions that led to his indictment.

 

Now, Meadows’s case will proceed in Fulton County Superior Court with no opportunity to make that argument — though he has the option to appeal the decision to the 11th Circuit, a notably conservative court that could view the issue differently from Jones, whom Barack Obama appointed to the bench. Ultimately, Meadows could ask the U.S. Supreme Court to review the issue.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/08/mark-meadows-court-decision-georgia/

https://archive.ph/cDOwq

 

Edited September 8, 20232 yr by jerrymahoney

Note to the above from the NY Times version of the ruling:

 

The ruling, which is likely to be appealed, came after Mr. Meadows’s lawyers took the unexpected step of putting their client on the witness stand to make the case for removal in a hearing on Aug. 28 in Judge Jones’s courtroom in downtown Atlanta.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/mark-meadows-georgia-federal-court-denial.html

On 9/7/2023 at 11:19 AM, jerrymahoney said:

Georgia prosecutors in Trump election case estimate four-month trial

September 6, 2023 at 5:36 p.m. EDT

McAfee did not reject a joint trial of Trump and his 18 co-defendants, but he peppered prosecutors with questions and appeared deeply skeptical that proceedings for all 19 could begin next month. He noted efforts by some of the defendants to move their cases to federal court and existing motions from Trump and others who have said they will not be ready for trial by late October. ...

 

McAfee said he plans to decide by next Thursday whether all the defendants must be tried at the same time beginning next month.

“I remain very skeptical,” McAfee told prosecutors. “But I’m willing to hear what you have to say on it.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/09/06/trump-georgia-trial-four-months/

 

https://archive.ph/Xeyry

4 months for all 19 defendants, LOL.

 

19 lawyers all questioning every witness is going to take forever.

 

Just jury selection is going to take a very long time, and even finding a jury of undecided people could be challenging, to say the least.

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Judge denies Mark Meadows effort to move Georgia case to federal court
The ruling is a blow to Meadows’s efforts in federal court to dismiss his case and could influence former president Donald Trump as he decides whether to seek removal himself.

 

September 8, 2023 at 5:54 p.m. EDT

 

A federal judge denied a request Friday from former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to move the Georgia election-interference case against him from state to federal court, a shift he had sought on the grounds that he was a federal officer at the time of the actions that led to his indictment.

 

Now, Meadows’s case will proceed in Fulton County Superior Court with no opportunity to make that argument — though he has the option to appeal the decision to the 11th Circuit, a notably conservative court that could view the issue differently from Jones, whom Barack Obama appointed to the bench. Ultimately, Meadows could ask the U.S. Supreme Court to review the issue.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/08/mark-meadows-court-decision-georgia/

https://archive.ph/cDOwq

 

Anyone think every guilty verdict won't be appealed all the way to the SCOTUS?

 

Every word that the judge utters is going to be scrutinised for grounds for a mistrial.

It does get tiresome when one or more of the same half-dozen or more posters respond to your almost every post and feel they deserve some reply or answer ... then get perturbed when I say i just don't have or want to have the time to follow-up with every one of them.

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On 9/7/2023 at 6:24 PM, jerrymahoney said:

That quote was from a Supreme Court concurring opinion written by Scalia in which he sided with liberal justices Ginsburg and Breyer. So, at least in this case, if Scalia was a hypocrite, so were Ginsburg and Breyer.

Scalia was very smart, and had a pragmatic side. Clarence Thomas, not so much.

On 9/9/2023 at 8:06 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Anyone think every guilty verdict won't be appealed all the way to the SCOTUS?

 

Every word that the judge utters is going to be scrutinised for grounds for a mistrial.

Yep, its possible some of the defendants will die of old age before they see a jail cell.

 

Or something dramatic will happen some years down the line that will obviate this case.

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Yep, its possible some of the defendants will die of old age before they see a jail cell.

 

Or something dramatic will happen some years down the line that will obviate this case.

I'm going with "something dramatic". If we don't pollute ourselves into extinction we are due for a big war, and the next one will likely include the use of all those nuclear warheads just waiting for a launch order.

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

It does get tiresome when one or more of the same half-dozen or more posters respond to your almost every post and feel they deserve some reply or answer ... then get perturbed when I say i just don't have or want to have the time to follow-up with every one of them.

I do so agree with that, especially when the people complaining don't reply to queries themselves.

Does anyone actually believe Trump and the 18 others actually committed crimes Willis alleges are predicate for RICO crimes but are not actually crimes?  What are the crimes and does her RICO allegations even meet the criteria of RICO?? (PS/hint-- think "enterprise")

 

I see a lengthy list of motions lasting years before WIllis eventually craters and the fulton county DA and her RICO fantasy meets the round file file dust bin ESPECIALLY at the fed level based on removal from county court to a federal court at least in Trump's case.

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41 minutes ago, shipwrecked said:

Does anyone actually believe Trump and the 18 others actually committed crimes Willis alleges are predicate for RICO crimes but are not actually crimes?  What are the crimes and does her RICO allegations even meet the criteria of RICO?? (PS/hint-- think "enterprise")

 

I see a lengthy list of motions lasting years before WIllis eventually craters and the fulton county DA and her RICO fantasy meets the round file file dust bin ESPECIALLY at the fed level based on removal from county court to a federal court at least in Trump's case.

And you base your opinion on what? Certainly not on the available evidence.

16 hours ago, shipwrecked said:

Does anyone actually believe Trump and the 18 others actually committed crimes Willis alleges are predicate for RICO crimes but are not actually crimes?  What are the crimes and does her RICO allegations even meet the criteria of RICO?? (PS/hint-- think "enterprise")

 

I see a lengthy list of motions lasting years before WIllis eventually craters and the fulton county DA and her RICO fantasy meets the round file file dust bin ESPECIALLY at the fed level based on removal from county court to a federal court at least in Trump's case.

Trying to steal the Georgia election seems kind of crimey to me.

 

Seriously, the indictment contains specific Georgia state crimes for every charged individual. RICO is just the icing on the cake. There are 41 violations of Georgia state law cited.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/read-the-full-georgia-indictment-against-trump-and-18-allies

 

 

16 hours ago, shipwrecked said:

 

 

I see a lengthy list of motions lasting years before WIllis eventually craters and the fulton county DA and her RICO fantasy meets the round file file dust bin ESPECIALLY at the fed level based on removal from county court to a federal court at least in Trump's case.

Almost a 0% chance that Trump's case will be moved to Federal court, based on the Mark Meadows ruling. Even if it were, the charges are still state charges, and Trump can't pardon his way out of them.

Judge rejects Meadows effort to move election case from Georgia to federal court in big win for Willis
- 09/08/23 6:05 PM ET
 

A federal judge has rejected former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows’s attempt to move his charges in the Georgia election interference case to federal court.

 

The ruling was a broad rejection of arguments from Meadows that his case should be heard in federal court because he was acting in his capacity as chief of staff at the time.

 

Meadows filed an appeal of the ruling to the 11th circuit just hours after Jones’s decision. 

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4194977-judge-rejects-meadows-effort-to-move-election-case-from-georgia-to-federal-court-in-big-win-for-willis/

 

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Trying to steal the Georgia election seems kind of crimey to me.

 

Seriously, the indictment contains specific Georgia state crimes for every charged individual. RICO is just the icing on the cake. There are 41 violations of Georgia state law cited.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/read-the-full-georgia-indictment-against-trump-and-18-allies

 

 

Can we wait for a conviction before considering him guilty of anything, or is "innocent till proven guilty" only for not Trump defendants?

23 hours ago, shipwrecked said:

Does anyone actually believe Trump and the 18 others actually committed crimes Willis alleges are predicate for RICO crimes but are not actually crimes?  What are the crimes and does her RICO allegations even meet the criteria of RICO?? (PS/hint-- think "enterprise")

 

I see a lengthy list of motions lasting years before WIllis eventually craters and the fulton county DA and her RICO fantasy meets the round file file dust bin ESPECIALLY at the fed level based on removal from county court to a federal court at least in Trump's case.

Seems to me that they are charging Trump with anything they can think of in the hope that at least one of the charges will convict. If, as I expect, he is not convicted of anything that's going to be a lot of egg on faces all round.

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can we wait for a conviction before considering him guilty of anything, or is "innocent till proven guilty" only for not Trump defendants?

Apparently, your compulsion to spew the talking points sent by your internet friends caused you to ignore the context of my message.

 

Someone had implied that no actual Georgia state laws were broken, per the Georgia RICO indictment. So my message was about the state laws mentioned in the indictment.

 

Nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems to me that they are charging Trump with anything they can think of in the hope that at least one of the charges will convict. If, as I expect, he is not convicted of anything that's going to be a lot of egg on faces all round.

As can be seen by the Special Grand Jury report, there was a lot more that Fani Willis could have charged Trump with, but she held back.

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 If, as I expect, he is not convicted of anything that's going to be a lot of egg on faces all round.

It's possible a holdout juror will protect Trump by causing a mistrial.

36 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Apparently, your compulsion to spew the talking points sent by your internet friends caused you to ignore the context of my message.

 

Someone had implied that no actual Georgia state laws were broken, per the Georgia RICO indictment. So my message was about the state laws mentioned in the indictment.

 

Nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

You made a statement that he was trying to steal the election. Sounds like you are assuming he is guilty of that before he's convicted.

 

BTW I don't have any internet friends. Anything I say on here is of my own interpretation.

38 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

As can be seen by the Special Grand Jury report, there was a lot more that Fani Willis could have charged Trump with, but she held back.

I'm not familiar with that, but I suppose there is only so much that can be deliberated on in court, and if he gets off the current ones he may yet be indicted for more.