Controversial Construction: A Mysterious Pool on Na Jomtien Beach

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Never seen a Chanote with beach. 

No such thing, don't exist. 

 

Have you got one? ????

 

 

Doubt they do, nearly all beaches are public property. I think it is defined as some mean distance from the tide line. I could not imagine something more illegal...

Similar beach construction at   Bann sukhawadee   just got demolished. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by jacko45k

[Wongkitlo]

18 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Beaches start where the title deed ends. Its very often the case that they go inside what people call "a beach". Just because there's sand doesnt make it a public beach. 

 

There are no private islands in thailand, all you can own is a title deed on an island. 

 

 

 

Yes, it was so bad that in rainy season the borderstones were part of the ocean due to the beach erosion caused by idiots next door removing the mangrove forest and heavy rain. I had to remeasure the land via land office multiple times until we affixed the borderstones on a long metal pole 8 meters into the ground because the ocean ate them up. 

 

It got better after we installed european/netherland style beach erosion fences. 

Do you have anything to back up what you say about chanote on beaches. I understood chanote was granted by the local amphurs but the beaches are crown land.  Considering people have just taken beaches for themselves I always thought it would be a money earned for enterprising lawyers starting class actions against  beach thieves. I had heard that the king owns all the land so many metres beyond high water mark but  hard to find the true story.

[ThomasThBKK]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Doubt they do, nearly all beaches are public property. I think it is defined as some mean distance from the tide line. I could not imagine something more illegal...

Similar beach construction at   Bann sukhawadee   just got demolished. 

 

 

The mean between high and low tide is used when applying for a building permit to check if the building is sufficiently away from the waterline. Every area has zoning laws that regulate that. Here in the gulf in our place you have to be 20 meters away for building up to 6m (single storey) or 50 meters for building up to 12 meters (double), 200 meters away you can build higher. There are more exceptions to this, structures under 1.2m height, like a pool or terrace, if not too big don't need a building permit, as they are ground level. That means also the distance to the mean tideline is irrelevant as long as you build it on your property. 


However, this waterline changes dramatically between the seasons, depending on where the wind is blowing from. That can easily make a 20 meter difference between high and low season. Usually in November/December the wind is coming from the north/west and in rainy season from the east/south.

 

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The analysis of future shoreline recession due to sea level rise found that 20 beaches and 32 beaches would be lost entirely under the best-case and worst-case scenarios, respectively. The future shoreline recession varied between −5 m (SSP1 2.6) to −48 m (SSP5 8.5). T

Just read one of the many coastline erosion studies from thailand like https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/11/5/969


Now if you got your building permit 10/20 years ago, everything might have been fine and totally in line with the zoning laws. That might not be the case anymore as erosion moved the beach inwards into the countryside, where you have part of your land. What are you going to do except the usual anti erosion measures you can do? Tear down your Hotel or Condo because it suddenly looks too close? All those houses at the chao praya river in Bangkok that were allowed to build like that in the past because zoning laws where more relaxed, tear them down? 

 

 

2 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

Do you have anything to back up what you say about chanote on beaches. I understood chanote was granted by the local amphurs but the beaches are crown land.  Considering people have just taken beaches for themselves I always thought it would be a money earned for enterprising lawyers starting class actions against  beach thieves. I had heard that the king owns all the land so many metres beyond high water mark but  hard to find the true story.

Whats there to back up? Beaches move inward all the time, beach erosion is a giant issue in Thailand. Pattaya spends hundreds of millions every where to fill up the sand with questionable results, what might have been far away from the beach 20 years ago might not look like it is today. 

You can check on landsmap: https://landsmaps.dol.go.th/ it gives you the chanote outlines of most places in thailand. 

 

Just look at this random chanote in Samui: 

Half of what people call the "beach" is on the chanote, doesn't mean the owner can't build an ugly concrete terrace with even even uglier pool there till his land border. 

Would prolly get the same reaction here... doesn't make it illegal tho. When it's high tide it could very well be that the ocean runs into that guys property, and if not now then it 10 years.

Zoning laws are pretty clear in that area, no building (buildings - so everything over 1.2m height above ground) 10 meters from the beach. Not bigger than 75 sqm per building, you can building multiple dwellings that have a distance of at least 4 meters from wall-to-wall to still build a "bigger" house.