Popular Post Social Media Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 Summary US President Joe Biden has delivered a televised speech on the US response to Hamas's attack against Israel He said he will ask US Congress for billions of dollars in funding for Israel and Ukraine, saying abandoning the US allies was "just not worth it" But he urged Israeli leaders to learn from US mistakes after the 9/11 attacks and to avoid being "blinded by rage" Biden's speech comes after his whirlwind trip to Israel and after an agreement was reached with Egypt to allow some aid to enter Gaza Gaza remains under siege, with Israel blocking supplies of water, electricity, food and fuel across its border The most serious escalation in the conflict in decades erupted on 7 October, when Hamas attacked, killing more than 1,400 people More than 3,700 people have been killed in Gaza since then, the health ministry in the Hamas-run territory says What did Biden say ? Here's what President Biden said in his rare Oval Office address to the nation. His speech aimed to draw a link between the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel and he urged Congress to take action and pass an aid package supporting both nations. Biden didn't actually say how much he was seeking in extra funding, but is expected to be asking for $100bn. Notable quotes from his speech include: "Hamas and Putin represent different threats, but they share this in common: they both want to completely annihilate a neighboring democracy." "If we don't stop Putin's appetite for power and control in Ukraine he won't limit himself to Ukraine." Biden said that Hamas had unleashed "pure unadulterated evil on the world" and stressed there was "no higher priority for me than the safety of Americans held hostage". He also addressed the common sentiment that both conflicts felt far away to many Americans, saying that "by making sure Israel and Ukraine succeed it is vital for America's national security". His final task was to explain why giving potentially billions in aid to Israel and Ukraine was important for Americans to support. Terrorists and dictators need to "pay a price", the president said. FULL STORY 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Social Media said: His final task was to explain why giving potentially billions in aid to Israel and Ukraine was important for Americans to support. Terrorists and dictators need to "pay a price", the president said. America has been supporting dictators for decades ( eg Saddam when he was an American ally ). Seems it's only dictators that are not backed by America that need to "pay a price". Isn't America broke? How come they can just keep paying out to other countries when there are so many problems at home? It's shennanigans like this from the W H that get people like Trump elected. IMO the greatest farce is claiming that israel needs billions more to defeat a few Hamas fighters armed with rifles and RPGs. Is the israeli army so weak it needs billions of US $ to win? 1 1 4 1 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Social Media said: He also addressed the common sentiment that both conflicts felt far away to many Americans, saying that "by making sure Israel and Ukraine succeed it is vital for America's national security". Ah the old "national security" BS. How many crimes have been excused under "national security" which is rarely explained? 1 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Purdey Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 It is always a good idea to support allies. While Israel did not officially support its allies militarily in Vietnam or Korea or Iraq (Desert Storm), they sent thoughts and prayers. They have always amply proven that they are true allies and deserve help. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 American tax payers must be real happy with Joe. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, hotchilli said: American tax payers must be real happy with Joe. Most Americans in new poll say US government should publicly support Israel https://thehill.com/policy/international/4255413-most-americans-us-government-support-israel/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wwest5829 Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: America has been supporting dictators for decades ( eg Saddam when he was an American ally ). Seems it's only dictators that are not backed by America that need to "pay a price". Isn't America broke? How come they can just keep paying out to other countries when there are so many problems at home? It's shennanigans like this from the W H that get people like Trump elected. IMO the greatest farce is claiming that israel needs billions more to defeat a few Hamas fighters armed with rifles and RPGs. Is the israeli army so weak it needs billions of US $ to win? While I am very aware of the U.S. support for the likes of Saddam, Noriega, Batista, Perón, etc., and join you in condemnation, that does negate that there are fights necessary at times. Unilateral invasion of a sovereign nation comes to mind, whether that be North Korea or Russia. Rifles and RPGs? Good thing there were not missiles and drones launched during the initial Hamas attack! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wwest5829 Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, hotchilli said: American tax payers must be real happy with Joe. American registered Democrat here. While I would prefer a different political contest for November 2024, there is not a viable alternative currently. The Republican Party seems determined to destroy itself. Oh, that tax bit? Sad try ... the issue is not government taxation of the working middle class ... the issue is the working middle class paying a higher percentage of their take home pay than are far too many of the wealthy and not seeing the direct benefits of that taxation. So, the unfair taxation system favoring the wealthy, the shrinking income/wealth piece of the economic pie (a result of the policies/actions or inaction by both major parties for decades) resulting in an unsustainably income/wealth gap. And that is, in large measure, why Americans are chewing on each other while Congress if afraid to act to address issues. 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: America has been supporting dictators for decades ( eg Saddam when he was an American ally ). Seems it's only dictators that are not backed by America that need to "pay a price". Isn't America broke? How come they can just keep paying out to other countries when there are so many problems at home? It's shennanigans like this from the W H that get people like Trump elected. IMO the greatest farce is claiming that israel needs billions more to defeat a few Hamas fighters armed with rifles and RPGs. Is the israeli army so weak it needs billions of US $ to win? Shared information from the Russians targeting 3 states got "donnie" elected ; and what did he not cozy up to dictators? The backlash from an articulate intelligent black President enraged the white folks. Rest of your post pretty accurate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, wwest5829 said: American registered Democrat here. While I would prefer a different political contest for November 2024, there is not a viable alternative currently. The Republican Party seems determined to destroy itself. Oh, that tax bit? Sad try ... the issue is not government taxation of the working middle class ... the issue is the working middle class paying a higher percentage of their take home pay than are far too many of the wealthy and not seeing the direct benefits of that taxation. So, the unfair taxation system favoring the wealthy, the shrinking income/wealth piece of the economic pie (a result of the policies/actions or inaction by both major parties for decades) resulting in an unsustainably income/wealth gap. And that is, in large measure, why Americans are chewing on each other while Congress if afraid to act to address issues. amen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleskerins Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Ah the old "national security" BS. How many crimes have been excused under "national security" which is rarely explained? don't think it is BS in these cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish star Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 7 hours ago, hotchilli said: American tax payers must be real happy with Joe. Imagine if Trump was there , just regular joes paying taxes , Ammunition from 1994 that needed to disposed of anyway , il happily pay taxes to defeat Russia over there , instead of American lives being lost 2 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 6 hours ago, wwest5829 said: While I am very aware of the U.S. support for the likes of Saddam, Noriega, Batista, Perón, etc., and join you in condemnation, that does negate that there are fights necessary at times. Unilateral invasion of a sovereign nation comes to mind, whether that be North Korea or Russia. Rifles and RPGs? Good thing there were not missiles and drones launched during the initial Hamas attack! Still, Hamas hardly poes an existential threat to Israel whereas Russia clearly does to Ukraine. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wwest5829 Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, placeholder said: Still, Hamas hardly poes an existential threat to Israel whereas Russia clearly does to Ukraine. Agree but support both in resistance to aggression. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: America has been supporting dictators for decades ( eg Saddam when he was an American ally ). Seems it's only dictators that are not backed by America that need to "pay a price". Isn't America broke? How come they can just keep paying out to other countries when there are so many problems at home? It's shennanigans like this from the W H that get people like Trump elected. IMO the greatest farce is claiming that israel needs billions more to defeat a few Hamas fighters armed with rifles and RPGs. Is the israeli army so weak it needs billions of US $ to win? Well the Yanks spent $1T in Afghanistan and the goat herders there still sent them packing did they not? With the NeoCons fully in charge of the US State Dept expect a few more war fronts started before Biden leaves the stage. Blinken, formerly of the NeoCon CSIS, will not be satisfied until Ukraine is fully destroyed to avenge Kyiv's treatment of his great grandaddy in 1904. Nuland, 2nd in command and family member of the nasty NeoCon Kagan clan, has plenty of Republican friends from her years with the G.W. Bush admin to keep that bunch on side. 2 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 15 hours ago, hotchilli said: American tax payers must be real happy with Joe. Yes, I'm sure they want America to borrow another 100 billion to give away. What is it about governments that they think they can spend taxpayers money on anything they choose? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 7 hours ago, wwest5829 said: Agree but support both in resistance to aggression. Who is the "aggressor" in Gaza right now? IMO it's the ones bombing over a thousand children to bits. 2 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, pegman said: Well the Yanks spent $1T in Afghanistan and the goat herders there still sent them packing did they not? With the NeoCons fully in charge of the US State Dept expect a few more war fronts started before Biden leaves the stage. Blinken, formerly of the NeoCon CSIS, will not be satisfied until Ukraine is fully destroyed to avenge Kyiv's treatment of his great grandaddy in 1904. Nuland, 2nd in command and family member of the nasty NeoCon Kagan clan, has plenty of Republican friends from her years with the G.W. Bush admin to keep that bunch on side. The Americans are following the French record in losing wars! Boys in black pyjamas defeated them in Vietnam, and the goat herders in Afghanistan! Iraq wasn't exactly a win either. Now they are making a very large portion of the humans on Planet Earth PO at them with their support for israel bombing Gaza to bits. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 9 hours ago, charleskerins said: don't think it is BS in these cases and you know that because...........................? How does Hamas pose a threat to America? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 15 hours ago, Morch said: Most Americans in new poll say US government should publicly support Israel https://thehill.com/policy/international/4255413-most-americans-us-government-support-israel/ So set-up a go fund me for those who wish to donate, those who don't can opt out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 12 hours ago, wwest5829 said: American registered Democrat here. While I would prefer a different political contest for November 2024, there is not a viable alternative currently. The Republican Party seems determined to destroy itself. Oh, that tax bit? Sad try ... the issue is not government taxation of the working middle class ... the issue is the working middle class paying a higher percentage of their take home pay than are far too many of the wealthy and not seeing the direct benefits of that taxation. So, the unfair taxation system favoring the wealthy, the shrinking income/wealth piece of the economic pie (a result of the policies/actions or inaction by both major parties for decades) resulting in an unsustainably income/wealth gap. And that is, in large measure, why Americans are chewing on each other while Congress if afraid to act to address issues. I was eluding to your tax dollars being handed out overseas.... instead of being spent on infrastructure at home where it's obviously needed... They could also spend those billions on medical aid for those in need of hospital treatments, making it more affordable for most. or even a tax cut 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The Americans are following the French record in losing wars! Boys in black pyjamas defeated them in Vietnam, and the goat herders in Afghanistan! Iraq wasn't exactly a win either. Now they are making a very large portion of the humans on Planet Earth PO at them with their support for israel bombing Gaza to bits. In Iraq it was a huge win for Iranian influence there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just now, pegman said: In Iraq it was a huge win for Iranian influence there. and in Vietnam it was a huge win for the communist North. In Afghanistan it was a huge win for the Taliban that hates America. Seems that since the Korean war American has gone somewhat astray in its war making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, hotchilli said: I was eluding to your tax dollars being handed out overseas.... instead of being spent on infrastructure at home where it's obviously needed... They could also spend those billions on medical aid for those in need of hospital treatments, making it more affordable for most. or even a tax cut or even pay off some of the trillions in debt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Biden says he will not let Hamas and Putin win ! Is he intending to lead the troops in himself, or is he going to let other people go in harm's way? Rhetorical question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Yes, I'm sure they want America to borrow another 100 billion to give away. What is it about governments that they think they can spend taxpayers money on anything they choose? I imagine the people of Gaza aren't too thrilled with the way their tax monies are used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: Who is the "aggressor" in Gaza right now? IMO it's the ones bombing over a thousand children to bits. Were these massive bombings present on October 6th? Or did maybe something happen that triggered them? Edited October 20, 2023 by Morch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: The Americans are following the French record in losing wars! Boys in black pyjamas defeated them in Vietnam, and the goat herders in Afghanistan! Iraq wasn't exactly a win either. Now they are making a very large portion of the humans on Planet Earth PO at them with their support for israel bombing Gaza to bits. American citizens were murdered and abducted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: and you know that because...........................? How does Hamas pose a threat to America? American citizens were murdered and abducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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