Popular Post BarraMarra Posted November 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2023 Today in the UK we celebrate a piece of History that could have changed England forever. In 1605 on the Evening of the 4th of November Guy Fawkes was discovered hiding in a cellar below the Houses of Parliament. He was caught with 36 Barrels of gunpowder. It became known as the Gunpowder Plot. A lot of people think it was Guy Fawkes alone but it was over a Dozen plotters. The main plotter was Robert Catesby he devised and planned the attack along with his second in command Thomas Percy. His intention was to kill King James and the entire members of Parliment and House of Lords due to them being Protestant and a hatred for Catholics. His plan was to destroy the lot in 1 go. Guy Fawkes was brought in because of his expertise of Gunpowder. he was caught hours before he lit the fuse. At the Tower of London Fawkes was Tortured to identify the conspirators using the Rack. After 3 days of Torture Fawkes was broken and identified the plotters who had escaped London to the Midlands. In a remarkable piece of history, Fawkes's confession was written and is in the Archives His signature is clearly visible as Guido Fawkes and 3 days after he signed the same document but was clearly unable to write his name. He was due traitor's death hung drawn and quartered and his head was displayed as a warning to others. He had other plans and foiled the gruesome fate. As he stood on the Scaffold he stepped higher up so when he dropped he died instantly. King James ordered everyone to light a bonfire and place an Effigy of a Catholic on the bonfire and today this tradition carries on with fireworks depicting what the plotters could have achieved if they were successful. Children now sing Remember Remember the Fifth of November Gunpowder Treason and Plot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post norfolkandchance Posted November 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Revolutionaries wait For my head on a silver plate Just a puppet on a lonely string Oh, who would ever want to be king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 50 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta Agree and yet another one of my favourite movies...........now you mention it and the fact that it is Nov 5th, I will watch it again tonight. Thank you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eff1n2ret Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 hours ago, BarraMarra said: King James ordered everyone to light a bonfire and place an Effigy of a Catholic on the bonfire They don't burn Catholics any more, even in effigy, thank goodness. I was amused to see a report that a village in Kent is this year burning an effigy of Sadiq Khan, the much-despised London Mayor, because of his punitive taxation of motorists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share Posted November 5, 2023 Its not about fav movies its about History in England. but as the yanks dont have history like we have sums em up changing the thread. they can't go back that far. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share Posted November 5, 2023 Why do members on here feel the need to ruin a Topic. If you are interested in it move on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta I highly disrecommend that movie. It might put stupid ideas in your head and you will do sth stupid and get yourself killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 minute ago, BarraMarra said: Why do members on here feel the need to ruin a Topic. If you are interested in it move on. Because we're revolutionaries. We like to take over the joint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Eff1n2ret said: They don't burn Catholics any more, even in effigy, thank goodness. I was amused to see a report that a village in Kent is this year burning an effigy of Sadiq Khan, the much-despised London Mayor, because of his punitive taxation of motorists. Not so despised that he hasn't won two free and fair elections for the role. Punitive means something different to what you think it means. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) Remember, Remember, the 5th of November lyrics Remember, remember, the 5th of November, Gunpowder, treason and plot. I see no reason Why gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot. Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'twas his intent To blow up the King and the Parliament Three score barrels of powder below Poor old England to overthrow By God's providence he was catch'd With a dark lantern and burning match Holler boys, holler boys, let the bells ring Holler boys, holler boys God save the King! An old nursery rhyme I remember from when I was a little boy. Edited November 5, 2023 by billd766 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share Posted November 5, 2023 1 hour ago, save the frogs said: Because we're revolutionaries. We like to take over the joint. And spoil threads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta Nah maté, science fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 46 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: And spoil threads. A couple of comments does not spoil a thread. Although I have overdone it in a few threads. I haven't spoiled anything here. You triggered people to bring up V For Vendetta, which is directly linked to your topic. That film was inspired by that incident. And I tried to chime in with my philosophical opinion about that film, but sometimes I'm too deep for most of you people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, BarraMarra said: His signature is clearly visible as Guido Fawkes and 3 days after he signed the same document but was clearly unable to write his name. Why would his signature be clearly visible as Guido if his name was Guy? If it quacks like a duck . I just watched a video about it. All sorts of red flags. Like they claimed they built a tunnel to Parliament, but then that wasn't true. Forged documents, confessions under torture, spies .... way way way too much intrigue. This is almost certainly a distorted historical event for which we will probably never know what really happened. Edited November 5, 2023 by save the frogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 5, 2023 Author Share Posted November 5, 2023 His full name was Guy Fawkes. While fighting for the Spanish they called him Guido. Why is it distorted? Documents are kept in the records written during the plot and the confession signed by Guy Fawkes. Even the letter that was written warning a member to stay away from Parliament that day. It was most likely written by a plot member called Francis Tresham. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save the frogs Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BarraMarra said: His full name was Guy Fawkes. While fighting for the Spanish they called him Guido. Why is it distorted? Ok for the name. It's because I just watched this video ... there seems to be too many weird things about this event. He concludes that it was a govt conspiracy and that the govt is evil and will stoop to anything. But I don't believe him and neither am I convinced that we know what really happened. As far as I'm concerned, it appears to be an historical event shrouded in mystery. Edited November 5, 2023 by save the frogs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2baht Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 12 hours ago, save the frogs said: Because we're revolutionaries. We like to take over the joint. Release the hounds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) Another conspiracy nut job from a Yank. Next, you will tell me Henry V1 didn't behead a few of his wives. Edited November 6, 2023 by BarraMarra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Wasn't the target King James and not the democratic assembly🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, BarraMarra said: Another conspiracy nut job from a Yank. Next, you will tell me Henry V1 didn't behead a few of his wives. He didn't. Henry VIII did though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 23 hours ago, KhunLA said: Highly recommend viewing, V for Vendetta Watched it last night, screened on a "freeview" NZ, TV channel. Brilliant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 8:01 PM, RuamRudy said: Punitive means something different to what you think it means. Really...? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/punitive Quote intended as a punishment: I think (but could of course be wrong) that is exactly the meaning the poster intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 6:50 AM, VocalNeal said: Wasn't the target King James and not the democratic assembly🤔 Yes it was Neal but the Plotters wanted all protestants killed that day so they could raise a Catholic army to steal the Throne from Jmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 More Pomp and Pageantry today. The official opening of Parliament the day in 1605 when the Gun powder plot was foiled. The king will arrive at the House of Lords to deliver his speech. He is not allowed to walk through the House of Commons so he uses a different door to enter the House of Lords. Once all the government and all other parties are requested to hear his speech they file from the House of Commons where the Door is slammed shut barring them from Entering The House of Lords. A quirky Historical event then happens " Black Rod " approaches the door and knocks on the door 3 times that's when they are allowed into the House of Lords to hear the King's speech. Since 1605 a member of Parliament checks the Cellers underneath Parliament even to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lungbing Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 2:03 PM, youreavinalaff said: He didn't. Henry VIII did though. Only two out of the six, that's not even a majority! We were taught at school:- Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, lungbing said: Only two out of the six, that's not even a majority! We were taught at school:- Divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived. Yes, that is what I was taught My response was mainly due to the king bring incorrect. I'm sure Henry VIII would have beheaded more if he'd had too. 🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 A dear friend of mine was a pupil at St Peters, York. On the subject of Guy Fawkes he remarked: “We didn’t have a Guy Fawkes bonfire at school, One doesn’t burn old boys” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eff1n2ret Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 hours ago, BarraMarra said: A quirky Historical event then happens " Black Rod " approaches the door and knocks on the door 3 times that's when they are allowed into the House of Lords to hear the King's speech. Sorry, that's not quite correct. Black Rod is sent from the House of Lords to summon the Members of the House of Commons to the Lords. As he approaches the Commons the door is slammed shut, and he (or she, as the present incumbent is female) knocks three times for it to be opened, so that the summons can be issued. Just a symbol of the traditional independence of the Commons from the Monarchy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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