12 hours ago, Mavideol said:

be so kind to explain and provide related back up Reliable data, thks

Historically Taiwan has been controlled by many countries, both Asian and European over many centuries.

I said China "Believes" it has historical rites going back to the Qing dynasty, and will in time try to take control once again.

In the same way it now believes it owns the South China sea...

China - You want to be my friend ? Then Do what I say !!

19 hours ago, Tom H said:

Why do people in the world like Taiwanese people more then Chinese people?

 

Taiwanese don't have their small kids pee in a poolside shrubbery box at the Westin Grande Sukhumvit like it is totally normal behaviour when fully equipped toilets are a few short steps away.

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Historically Taiwan has been controlled by many countries, both Asian and European over many centuries.

I said China "Believes" it has historical rites going back to the Qing dynasty, and will in time try to take control once again.

In the same way it now believes it owns the South China sea...

Agreed and just as any other country in the same situation would most certainly do.

13 hours ago, 1duckyboy said:

This a day after it was announced Chinese police would patrol Thai streets with Thai police. 

Since when do Thai police patrol Thai streets?

On 11/13/2023 at 7:36 AM, smedly said:

he will NOT be allowed to win,

Unfortunately, it might change after next US presidential election

On 11/13/2023 at 7:39 AM, jacko45k said:

Rather an overreach of authority I believe.

Indeed so, to say the least, but not surprising. 

The CCP have a very different perception of 'ownership'. 

This only the beginning. Australia was heavily sanctioned by China for standing up for themselves. Thailand will face the same. So who in Thailand will call the shots? "Tourism"? .. or "Self respect."

On 11/13/2023 at 6:50 AM, sqwakvfr said:

Is there a difference between news coverage and propaganda for the Chinese government?  This will be difficult but it may be time for the Chinese to accept Taiwan as is as and move on.  

 

They are never going to do that unfortunately.

 

This is why they create such dramas with any country having relations with Taiwan. They are determined to take it, just as they are determined to push everybody out of the South China seas.

 

The massive military build up is not for no good reason.

 

It has never been under the control or ruled by the CCP , but they don't let facts or the truth get in the way of anything, especially now they have the sad faced despot who has effectively declared himself leader for life, along with Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, the Iranian Ayatollahs etc

 

They lied and destroyed Hong Kong's democracy and are hell-bent on doing the same in Taiwan.

 

They've been waiting for this have the Chinese, ever since the days of the clown Mao Tse Tung, whose policies led to the deaths of millions of Chinese.

 

Meanwhile in Cambodia massive dry docks for large ships are getting prepared. This gives a springboard for further Chinese expansion.

 

Hun Sen saying it's for the use of the tiny Cambodian Navy which doesn't have ships bigger than 50 metres long!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 20232 yr by Scouse123

China doesn’t tell Thailand how to run things ffs 

USA USA USA and our Allies will Persue Freedom of Navigation 

2 hours ago, Summilux said:

So who in Thailand will call the shots? "Tourism"? .. or "Self respect."

 

Whoever controls the Mekong. 

On 11/13/2023 at 11:12 AM, Captain Monday said:

Such a proud people to become 走狗 "running dog" of a foreign Empire?

Pretty much every country in the world kow tows financially to either China, the US or both. The US is losing ground though - first it sent its industry to China, then its money to buy the things it used to make.

Edited November 14, 20232 yr by sidneybear

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

They did not like anything they stood for, or had to say, they realized Mao was a desperado dictator,

You need to refresh your Chinese history. They did not like communism but liked authoritarian rule.  Do you remember the White Terror Period and the role of Dai Li in Chiang Kai-shek's party? He was like Chile's Pinochet, a non-communist, brutal dictator. Caused trouble as far as Myanmar. I do agree that Taiwan has gone through a series of legislatures in the last two decades to redress and investigate some of its brutal human rights violations.  Mao's terror was unleashed by people, but Chiang Kai Sheiks terror was unleashed by his party's secret police. Both wanted to impose their version of dictatorship on the Chinese people, and Chiang's dictatorship is authoritarian capitalism.

Edited November 14, 20232 yr by CartagenaWarlock

This should be opposed tooth and nail. The Chinese are famous for arm twisting smaller countries. 

On 11/13/2023 at 6:14 AM, crazykopite said:

 Does Thailand not have a free press or is democracy none existent in the Land of Smiles !

Simple answer, no, it's not a democracy. 

5 hours ago, sidneybear said:

Pretty much every country in the world kow tows financially to either China, the US or both. The US is losing ground though - first it sent its industry to China, then its money to buy the things it used to make.

 

Biden is busy fluffing President XI this week in San Francisco.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-detail-too-small-u-120000967.html

"A presidential meeting at an undisclosed location. Students lining the streets waving Chinese flags. A $2,000-per-plate dinner with the most powerful business executives in America."

On 11/12/2023 at 11:05 PM, hotchilli said:

China is biding it's time, but I think it will make a move on Taiwan at some point.

It do believe Taiwan is historically part of mainland China,  and China it wants it to stop trying to be an independent nation and conform to the CCP

Most likely in my opinion China will be "biding it's time" for quite a while　

In a best case scenario to annex Formosa CCCP must utterly destroy the island then inherit 25 million mostly hostile people grown up not having been fed CCP propaganda for the past 75 years. This is after the PLA Navy and Air forces take a severe drubbing. Worst case the world is destroyed.

 

All this for National prestige? Remember Xi and any successor leaders primary motivation is continuation of complete one party dominance. I think continuing the Taiwan issue serves domestic propaganda purposes well. Maybe Kissinger does not agree he said a few years ago China would not attack for 10-20 years. He went there this year and was treated with extreme respect maybe he has been co-opted. Recently seems  he has changed his tune

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-15/kissinger-sees-war-over-taiwan-likely-unless-us-china-back-down?embedded-checkout=true

「Kissinger Sees War Over Taiwan Likely Unless US, China Back Down」

 

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/11/japan/politics/charles-q-brown-jr-us-china-xi-jinping-taiwan/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=iwar0rx7j2e3dzit4iw9p4hre2-zib0eho5wwbnfq4p98preaskkeyilwexlm#Echobox=1699755966

「Top U.S. general doubts China's Xi planning to take Taiwan by force」

 

 

Edited November 14, 20232 yr by Captain Monday

17 hours ago, Summilux said:

So who in Thailand will call the shots? "Tourism"? .. or "Self respect."

Sadly, wherever the money is... judging by recent past evidence. Satan himself is welcome with a fat wallet!

Will Thailand afford the same pleasantries to Taiwan?

Edited November 15, 20232 yr by Isaan sailor

On 11/14/2023 at 6:02 AM, hotchilli said:

Historically Taiwan has been controlled by many countries, both Asian and European over many centuries.

I said China "Believes" it has historical rites going back to the Qing dynasty, and will in time try to take control once again.

In the same way it now believes it owns the South China sea...

"historically" controlled by many countries but never by China... prior to Xi there were other Chinese rulers, none had the Taiwan obsession as Xi has,  some recent Chinese rulers Deng Xiaoping, Hu Jintao never worry too much about Taiwan, they worried about keeping the country safe and stable, not looking for antagonism contrary to Xi. Back in 2015 Xi was asked about his intentions in SCS if he intended to built military bases there he point blank said no, look at it now, very similar to Putin when asked if he was invading Ukraine or back in 2014 if he was invading Crimea in both cases the answer was no, for me Xi has absolutely no credibility, lived there long enough to know how it works, Xi claimed that China would rise peacefully

 

below link related to Xi 2015 comments

 

Behind Public Assurances, Xi Jinping Spreads Grim Views on U.S

https://news.yahoo.com/behind-public-assurances-xi-jinping-130327081.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

What are China’s leaders saying about the South China Sea?

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/what-are-china-s-leaders-saying-about-south-china-sea

 

 

Edited November 15, 20232 yr by Mavideol

On 11/13/2023 at 9:21 PM, chacha boom said:

Yes, and I could reply with a mile long list of examples from the other side, with much worse consequences for humanity. But you will respond with whataboutism blablabla, so not wasting any more time here among all you bright sexpats...

is it free propaganda or do you get paid to do so

On 11/13/2023 at 12:16 PM, Tom H said:

Why do people in the world like Taiwanese people more then Chinese people?

 

I get what you're saying 100pc. It isn't representative of the Chinese people, who are on the whole decent, hardworking folk. Like everywhere, including Thailand, it's the idiots at the top letting the country down.

 

I've no issue with Chinese people. The policies of their bully boy leaders leaves me feeling sick of them.

 

They need to be told at every corner, clear off and be quiet.