Conscription AWOL

[dallen52]

This was discussed in 2010 but I would like to hear what is currently factual in these situations. 

 

My partners son started 2 year military in 2021.

Covid meant many were sent home.

He only did five months. 

Never went back.

AWOL and id card confiscated. 

Basically he's a deserter and cannot get regular work, not that he has any motivation to work. 

Just hangs around the village most days.

 

Does anyone have similar experience,?

Or can say when he will get his id back?

*He should have gone to prison in my opinion. 

[Grumpy one]

Make a call at the nearest barracks, maybe they can help you with your wish

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

This was discussed in 2010 but I would like to hear what is currently factual in these situations. 

 

My partners son started 2 year military in 2021.

Covid meant many were sent home.

He only did five months. 

Never went back.

AWOL and id card confiscated. 

Basically he's a deserter and cannot get regular work, not that he has any motivation to work. 

Just hangs around the village most days.

 

Does anyone have similar experience,?

Or can say when he will get his id back?

*He should have gone to prison in my opinion. 

 

Supposing he gets his ID back, and does not have to do prison time or complete his army service - what do you think will change?

Will he change his ways ? Are there any actual employment prospects for him?

[Chris Daley]

It's your fault.  Your son or partners' son which is really the same thing, did not study and you did not plan a future for him.

 

He should be able to fly though English language tests and land a place at a nice university.  If he did that he would not have to do the national service as he is studying.  Instead you both sit around drinking all day.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Chris Daley

[digbeth]

he can wait out the statue of limitation of 10 years, after which they stop looking to prosecute him, he can get his ID card back by applying for it at the Amphur,

but getting other papers from the government will be difficult, he will be on the Army's or Central Tabien Ban (Housebook) registry, essentially homeless in the eye of the law and good luck getting anything that require government involvement, from moving into houses, driving license, passport, owning land or getting mobile phone bills, also no chance of getting proper jobs 

 

to be able to be moved out of the Army's housebook, he'd either have to surrender himself to the military, he'd have to to time if he go to them before the 10 years is up

[Gaccha]

Just to add to @Chris Daley 's comment, I'll set out here the key path for a bilingual kid in Thailand. I set it out because many of the fathers here are working class and are not familiar with the middle class games that have to be played to get that high earning job in Bangkok.

 

Firstly, as they are growing up you need to always speak to them in English, and always make sure they read English books. Then you submit them to an international course at a top Thai university (i.e. one where the course is conducted in English). 

 

Then you make sure they have a goal of at least 3.5 GPA. And then with that, they can almost always get a scholarship to the British universities, and it is not unusual to get into Oxbridge as a foreign scholarship student.

 

From that, the world is their oyster. Thailand desperately needs bilinguals who can think. And at the age of 24, they've had a very cheap education from which they can make serious money.

 

This opportunity does not exist for working class lads back in the UK. It is a massive privilege to have such a large number of scholarships thrown at you. And then also to benefit from being bilingual... it is ridiculous to then fail. It is basically life on level easy... so long as you understand the middle class games that you have to play.

 

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

[dallen52]

2 hours ago, Grumpy one said:

Make a call at the nearest barracks, maybe they can help you with your wish

I even went to the local police station but they were not interested. 

He was at Petchabun his birth place. 

But in Nangrong currently. 

 

After he belted his wife last time I thought enough is enough. 

 

Get the lazy scrote banged up.

 

[dallen52]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Supposing he gets his ID back, and does not have to do prison time or complete his army service - what do you think will change?

Will he change his ways ? Are there any actual employment prospects for him?

He's probably working a few days a month. 

Smokes and beer.

Scrounging of mother. (My partner)

He says he can get work in Bangkok new year. 

But without id card I doubt it. 

A wife and child he would dump in the village if he went away working. 

Suppose he's not the only thai son doing it. 

[dallen52]

2 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

It's your fault.  Your son or partners' son which is really the same thing, did not study and you did not plan a future for him.

 

He should be able to fly though English language tests and land a place at a nice university.  If he did that he would not have to do the national service as he is studying.  Instead you both sit around drinking all day.

You are an idiot. 

The kid unfortunately came with the lady.

Issan Village. 

He hasn't got the brains to actually get up and do a fair days work.

Shot scared to go back because his friend was beaten and subsequently died for being AWOL. 

[Morch]

51 minutes ago, dallen52 said:

He's probably working a few days a month. 

Smokes and beer.

Scrounging of mother. (My partner)

He says he can get work in Bangkok new year. 

But without id card I doubt it. 

A wife and child he would dump in the village if he went away working. 

Suppose he's not the only thai son doing it. 

 

He can get a job as a day laborer, not so much problems with that. but also no future.

Does he have his own bank account? If he does, things are easier - as he can get salary paid. If he does not, then he'll either have to do with very low wages, and less recourse to argue or do something about it. 20-30 years ago, he could have dodged it for maybe 6 months, a year if boss wasn't too nosy or didn't care. Nowadays, I think much less.

 

Problem as I see it is less about him, but about you. If he hangs around in the village doing nothing much eventually he'll need more money (if only to match his friends/peers), and then it's either trying to get it from you/his mom (even more than today), or starting on some petty crime career.

 

How does the Mom see things?

[BritManToo]

Never take on a woman with sons from another man. He will always be more important to her than you.

[Chris Daley]

3 months doing some English worksheets and ged prep tests.

book the test.

go to the building in chitlom, pass the ged.

 

do the ielts thing.

get score 7

 

go to a university and show them money

they will tear your hand off

 

the kid is now in a better place than he is now.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Chris Daley

[still kicking]

12 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

It's your fault.  Your son or partners' son which is really the same thing, did not study and you did not plan a future for him.

 

He should be able to fly though English language tests and land a place at a nice university.  If he did that he would not have to do the national service as he is studying.  Instead you both sit around drinking all day.

What a nonsense 

[dallen52]

On 12/9/2023 at 2:30 PM, Morch said:

 

He can get a job as a day laborer, not so much problems with that. but also no future.

Does he have his own bank account? If he does, things are easier - as he can get salary paid. If he does not, then he'll either have to do with very low wages, and less recourse to argue or do something about it. 20-30 years ago, he could have dodged it for maybe 6 months, a year if boss wasn't too nosy or didn't care. Nowadays, I think much less.

 

Problem as I see it is less about him, but about you. If he hangs around in the village doing nothing much eventually he'll need more money (if only to match his friends/peers), and then it's either trying to get it from you/his mom (even more than today), or starting on some petty crime career.

 

How does the Mom see things?

Thai lady and her son. 

Issan. 

Bad situation unfortunately. 

He took several years to finish school. 

He's probably not sparking 100% up top tbh.

Would not surprise me if he's dabbled drugs as well.

Put him with the partners 21 year old daughter at university and it's a great case for me pulling up stumps and leaving soon.

As her kids got older she has taken to them even more. 

And obviously farang support. 

 

Basically all her money goes to her lazy daughter in Buriram university. 

Her sons resentment shows.

Fortunately he don't live with us. 

He has tried to attack me previously. 

Stuff missing around the house. 

Very sad situation...

Hence me trying to get him banged up.

(Which leaves his wife and 4 year old child with even less)

 

Time to bail out for me..

Pretty sure. 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, dallen52 said:

Thai lady and her son. 

Issan. 

Bad situation unfortunately. 

He took several years to finish school. 

He's probably not sparking 100% up top tbh.

Would not surprise me if he's dabbled drugs as well.

Put him with the partners 21 year old daughter at university and it's a great case for me pulling up stumps and leaving soon.

As her kids got older she has taken to them even more. 

And obviously farang support. 

 

Basically all her money goes to her lazy daughter in Buriram university. 

Her sons resentment shows.

Fortunately he don't live with us. 

He has tried to attack me previously. 

Stuff missing around the house. 

Very sad situation...

Hence me trying to get him banged up.

(Which leaves his wife and 4 year old child with even less)

 

Time to bail out for me..

Pretty sure. 

 

Oh, didn't get the that from your original post.

 

If things are this way, and you do not desperately love the lady, or seriously tied (house, no money etc.) then yeah - bail sounds good.

Things often don't work out as planned, and if there's no desire or obligation to take on them head on, trying something else is reasonable.