Passport For German Newborn Child

[Back Sida]

Hi,

are here some Germans there now how is the procedure to get a German passport from the German embassy here in BKK for new born Thai/German baby .

Is it possible to get 2 passports, one Thai and one German?

Thank's for any pice of advice,

Back Sida

[Axel]

Just talk to the embassy to get the exact requirement, you might have to show the Thai birth certificate and proof of your German nationality. Apply through the embassy for a German birth certificate, which will be mailed from Berlin. (Your marriage is registered in Germany?)

The passport can be issued easily, no signature required and instead will be marked "Des Schreibens unkundig" (Cannot write)

Thai p/port is no problem, apply through your spouse in Thailand.

At 18 yo, your (no longer) baby has to decide which nationality to keep.

Beyond that age no double citizenship allowed under German law.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Almost right Axel ... but as it stands now, duality of citizenship is permitted ad infinitum. Produce the birth papers and your passport at your Embassy, and it'll be a breeze if you take the wife. Then head for the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Laksi ( Consular Affairs ) with the same docs, plus Madam's ID and house registration papers. Also straight forward.

[Back Sida]

(Your marriage is registered in Germany?)

Thank's for the quick response.

No my marriage is not registered in Germany. Is this absolut necessary, bcause I have to work in Hongkong from 15.8.04 and I like to take my wife and the baby with me.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

(Your marriage is registered in Germany?)

Thank's for the quick response.

No my marriage is not registered in Germany. Is this absolut necessary, bcause I have to work in Hongkong from 15.8.04 and I like to take my wife and the baby with me.

Not necessary at all. Can all be done here in Bangkok.

[Richard Hall]

Dual nationality is possible under certain circumstances. I, for example, hold German and Brazilian nationality.

As per German law citizenship depends on the nationality of the father and so for the Germans I am nothing but German although I was born in Brazil but to German parents. Under Brazilian law, however, people born on their soil are Brazilians independant from what nationalities the parents hold. I do not have a German birth certificate but just a Brazilian one that has been translated by a certified translater.

Can imagine to get the job done the German national approaches the embassy with the Thai birth certificate showing him to be the father and his passport (to be on the safe side it may be advisable to have the German birth certificate of the father handy as well). The embassy will surely need to get the Thai certificate legalised for the German authorities. Also for the German authorities (not for the Thai embassy) get the Thai birth certificate translated into German by a certified translator that is officially recognized by the embassy.

As far as the Thai part is concerned have the mother handle it as advised by Axel.

Somehow, I think there will be no need for a decision at the age of 18 since the father is German the child is German for Germany as well. Now, if the mother has the child recognized as being Thai (based on her nationality and the place of birth) right from the beginning well, then it is Thai for Thailand.

Marriage should not be important at all becaue if it comes to German law and nationality the mother (no offence) only plays a minor role. Hey, that's possibly why Germans refer to their country as Vaterland (fatherland) and not Mutterland (motherland).

If everything is properly taken care of right from the beginning this should prevent possible future headaches. Dear German father, just insist your child is German and get it registered at the Standesamt of your last place of residence in Germany as your child and well, what the mother does here in Thailand is not of the Germans' business.

Acquiring citizenship by naturalization is a different issue and it may be necessary in some cases to give up a former nationality but in this case German citizenship comes as a birth right and I doubt that laws have changed over the years.

How about an international nationality exchange - would love to trade my German citizenship for a Thai one although some people may think this would be a bad bargain

[Axel]

Almost right Axel ... but as it stands now, duality of citizenship is permitted ad infinitum.

Thanks Dr., I was talking about the German law.

When one parent is German national the baby will be German even if born abroad. (Abstammungsprinzip or Descent principle)

There was a change effective 1/1/2000 to the effect that somebody born on German territory will become German if foreign parents or either foreign father or mother did stay legally in Germany within the last 8 years or hold un unlimmited residence permit for 3 years. Would not be applicable for Back Sida.

Bak Sida, as I said, in any case, go to the embassy, they can and will help.

I did it with my daughter, born in Tokyo (former) wife was Swiss. No problem, I declared being a German, the fellow in the embassy knew me personally so accepted as proof my passport and bingo my daughter was German.

I did the same in HKG with my son, birthcertificate by hospital, re-written into some english form, carried to German consulate. Bingo he was German.

You will be asked if you need a German birthcertificate. I was asked, said yes, the consulate mailed information to and I paid the fee directly to Berlin (family court or something) and got the certificate. This procedure might be changed, the embassy here is up to date.

[Axel]

Dual nationality is possible under certain circumstances. I, for example, hold German and Brazilian nationality.

Richard, this is interesting but is it legal? When you apply for a new passport, how do you reply the question for any other nationality? (I think this is still in the form)

But give more power to the German woman, either parent being German can declare for the nationality of the child. We fathers lost some power there by change of law in 1999.

But I believe the nationality law of 1913 is still valid, i.e. citizenship lost, among others by taking up another nationality. In your case may be not, since you did not take it up.

My daughter, I mentioned in another threat, was German, became Swiss, with my permission (Family court Berlin) and lost the German one with the argument "You showed by your behaviour that you do not wish to be German and by loss of the citizenship you don't become stateless." (She never showed up in the German consulate in Zurich for 10 years)

For your exchange to Thai, sorry, cannot help, but it would be a help, no need to show up at immigration office any more

[Richard Hall]

Almost right Axel  ...  but as it stands now, duality of citizenship is permitted ad infinitum.

Thanks Dr., I was talking about the German law.

When one parent is German national the baby will be German even if born abroad. (Abstammungsprinzip or Descent principle)

There was a change effective 1/1/2000 to the effect that somebody born on German territory will become German if foreign parents or either foreign father or mother did stay legally in Germany within the last 8 years or hold un unlimmited residence permit for 3 years. Would not be applicable for Back Sida.

Bak Sida, as I said, in any case, go to the embassy, they can and will help.

I did it with my daughter, born in Tokyo (former) wife was Swiss. No problem, I declared being a German, the fellow in the embassy knew me personally so accepted as proof my passport and bingo my daughter was German.

I did the same in HKG with my son, birthcertificate by hospital, re-written into some english form, carried to German consulate. Bingo he was German.

You will be asked if you need a German birthcertificate. I was asked, said yes, the consulate mailed information to and I paid the fee directly to Berlin (family court or something) and got the certificate. This procedure might be changed, the embassy here is up to date.

Whoops Axel, now the message is out that you are actually German.

I previously figured from your very German surname that you were a "Kraut" but than there were other indications pointing towards you were a Brit possibly of some German descent. Thank God, one of the very last big riddles of this world has eventually come down to an answer.

[Richard Hall]

Dual nationality is possible under certain circumstances. I, for example, hold German and Brazilian nationality.

Richard, this is interesting but is it legal? When you apply for a new passport, how do you reply the question for any other nationality? (I think this is still in the form)

But give more power to the German woman, either parent being German can declare for the nationality of the child. We fathers lost some power there by change of law in 1999.

But I believe the nationality law of 1913 is still valid, i.e. citizenship lost, among others by taking up another nationality. In your case may be not, since you did not take it up.

My daughter, I mentioned in another threat, was German, became Swiss, with my permission (Family court Berlin) and lost the German one with the argument "You showed by your behaviour that you do not wish to be German and by loss of the citizenship you don't become stateless." (She never showed up in the German consulate in Zurich for 10 years)

For your exchange to Thai, sorry, cannot help, but it would be a help, no need to show up at immigration office any more

Yep, it appears to be absolutely legal because the Germans do not care about Brazilian laws and the Brazilians not about Germans laws and therefore the German clearly say "Du bist Deutscher" (you are German) and the Brazilians say "your are Brazilian" (they surely say this in Portuguese but my knowledge of this language is limited to five words only and unfortunately these are not the ones fitting).

When filling in official forms (e.g. asking for a new passport) I always indicate the nationalities German and Brazilian and no one has ever given a darn. It did not except me from military duty and well when I asked to get the money back I paid into the German pension fund for 20 years the application was refused. I claimed to be Brazilian and since not living in working in Germany anymore to be entitled for a refund but they just brought it to the point by simply asking whether I was still holding German citizenship what I couldn't deny. Case closed!

Thanks for your PM in German language which I indeed enjoyed were much because it was sooooo typical...(German). Isn't it crazy that it is so difficult to shake off being German. Now since Vater and Mutter even have joined forces in the former Vaterland there seems to be no way for the Kinder to escape.

Conclusion: Getting rid of your German passport seems to be as equaly difficult as getting hold of a Thai one.

TAT please allow me to borrow your slogan in this context: "Amazing World".

By the way, how did your walk to Immigration work out yesterday? This year I gathered 4 (four) "please call again" stamps before getting eventually my annual extension granted.

[Axel]

Whoops Axel, now the message is out that you are actually German.

I previously figured from your very German surname that you were a "Kraut" but than there were other indications pointing towards you were a Brit possibly of some German descent. Thank God, one of the very last big riddles of this world has eventually come down to an answer.

Now Richard, this is not true, and btw my mother had had big problems to register my name, it's the real one, with the authorities. had to prove the name exists in Scandinavia.

Anyway, Sat 2003-11-29, 11:42:44 I wrote:

Yes, .....,  I am German and btw never managed to marry a German. OK, old joke! 

Too old, I mean the post, but it is here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...pic=3860&st=30#

I still speak German although did leave the country back in 1969

[Axel]

Yep, it appears to be absolutely legal because the Germans do not care about Brazilian laws and the Brazilians not about Germans laws and therefore the German clearly say "Du bist Deutscher" (you are German) and the Brazilians say "your are Brazilian" (they surely say this in Portuguese but my knowledge of this language is limited to five words only and unfortunately these are not the ones fitting).

When filling in official forms (e.g. asking for a new passport) I always indicate the nationalities German and Brazilian and no one has ever given a darn.

Amazing governments.

So for Thai and German nationality, acquired by birth, should be ok to keep both.

Seems to me only if somebody acquired the German one at a later stage, must decide at age 18 (til 23) which one to keep.

For Back Sida, do both as advised, it is easy and as said, for such cases the embassy is quite helpful

[Dutchy2]

Hi,

are here some Germans there now how is the procedure to get a German passport from the German embassy here in BKK for new born Thai/German baby .

Is it possible to get 2 passports, one Thai and one German?

Thank's for any pice of advice,

Back Sida

No problem, you can get two passports. Be vary careful though which passport you will use, when returning from abroad the helpful Thai staff at the airport won't hesitate to give your baby a 30 days tourist visa while you hold a one year Non immigrant B.

Good luck

Dutchy

[tuky]

Dual nationality is best for both.

I will be asking the question soon too with reagrds to my half aussie daughter.Good luck with your enterprise.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Dual nationality is best for both.

I will be asking the question soon too with reagrds to my half aussie daughter.Good luck with your enterprise.

There is not any problems for duality between Oz / Thai. None whatsoever

[Back Sida]

Hi,

thank's a lot for all who reply.

Your answers and advise was very helpfull.

BTW, is a nice forum what you have here.

Thank's again,

Back.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Hi,

are here some Germans there now how is the procedure to get a German passport from the German embassy here in BKK for new born Thai/German baby  .

Is it possible to get 2 passports, one Thai and one German?

Thank's for any pice of advice,

Back Sida

No problem, you can get two passports. Be vary careful though which passport you will use, when returning from abroad the helpful Thai staff at the airport won't hesitate to give your baby a 30 days tourist visa while you hold a one year Non immigrant B.

Good luck

Dutchy

Let's start with basic's Dutchy2. A Thai passport holder NEVER EVER will get a 30 day stamp. Think a bit before you jump in with erroneous information. That is a Thai coming into his own country.