Popular Post stats Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 Lee Anderson and Brendan Clarke-Smith defy prime minister by supporting rightwing challenges to legislation Rishi Sunak is facing a Conservative meltdown over the Rwanda deportation bill after two deputy chairs said they would support rebel amendments aimed at blocking international human rights laws. Lee Anderson and Brendan Clarke-Smith have defied the prime minister by backing rightwing challenges to the bill, which will be debated by parliament on Tuesday. They will join as many as 70 other MPs said to be considering abstaining or opposing the controversial legislation. The high-profile rebellion on Monday evening of two “red wall” MPs will be regarded as a direct threat to Sunak’s authority. The prime minister will now have to contemplate sacking them from their party jobs. (more) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/15/sunak-faces-tory-meltdown-as-deputy-chairs-back-rwanda-bill-rebellion 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 97, 98, 99. Change the Tory PM once again. What has happened to the UK Conservative party in the last few years? It seems to have lost touch with its supporters, its MPs, and IMHO, I think it has also lost touch with reality. 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 37 minutes ago, billd766 said: 97, 98, 99. Change the Tory PM once again. What has happened to the UK Conservative party in the last few years? It seems to have lost touch with its supporters, its MPs, and IMHO, I think it has also lost touch with reality. Just history repeating itself. This is similar to Thatcher's completely misjudged attempt on a poll tax. While I myself support the Rwanda solution, it's obviously not having enough support in the party. I guess the best solution now is to divert all the illegals to the houses of those MPs that sank the Rwanda solution ( in the same way that GOP states have been bussing illegals to liberal states in the US ). 3 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, billd766 said: 97, 98, 99. Change the Tory PM once again. What has happened to the UK Conservative party in the last few years? It seems to have lost touch with its supporters, its MPs, and IMHO, I think it has also lost touch with reality. Spot on. The current Tory Party is 'Life of Brian' made real: Judaean People's Front or People's Front of Judea?🤷 https://news.sky.com/story/battles-on-the-backbenches-what-are-the-different-factions-in-the-conservative-party-12964275 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 Here’s the best bit. The Tories and Sunak in particular have chosen of their own volition to promise to deliver the Rwanda policy in the face of consistent advice that it won’t work and will brake both UK law and international laws the IK is bound by. It’s a mess of their own making. They could have focussed on something the general public are concerned about, the NHS, the housing crisis, the economy, education ….. nah, they chose the Albatross and strung it around their own necks. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Here’s the best bit. The Tories and Sunak in particular have chosen of their own volition to promise to deliver the Rwanda policy in the face of consistent advice that it won’t work and will brake both UK law and international laws the IK is bound by. It’s a mess of their own making. They could have focussed on something the general public are concerned about, the NHS, the housing crisis, the economy, education ….. nah, they chose the Albatross and strung it around their own necks. A large percentage of the public are concerned about immigration. They blame it for the problems with NHS, housing crisis, education and the economy. 2 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steve187 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Here’s the best bit. The Tories and Sunak in particular have chosen of their own volition to promise to deliver the Rwanda policy in the face of consistent advice that it won’t work and will brake both UK law and international laws the IK is bound by. It’s a mess of their own making. They could have focussed on something the general public are concerned about, the NHS, the housing crisis, the economy, education ….. nah, they chose the Albatross and strung it around their own necks. I think number 1 on the general publics mind is prices (electric, gas, council tax bills and food), immigration is a close 2nd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Georgealbert Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Just history repeating itself. This is similar to Thatcher's completely misjudged attempt on a poll tax. While I myself support the Rwanda solution, it's obviously not having enough support in the party. I guess the best solution now is to divert all the illegals to the houses of those MPs that sank the Rwanda solution ( in the same way that GOP states have been bussing illegals to liberal states in the US ). You are a kiwi with limited knowledge of British politics, but you still feel the need to post your BS everyday on as many threads as possible, even when those comments offer nothing constructive. What we get is your closet racism, you try to disguise as an opinion. Your knowledge on everything is so limited, because you ignore everyone that disagrees with you, and what happens is that you are an empty echo chamber, only hearing yourself. I pity you, as your lack the intellectual ability for critically thinking, hence leading you to blame everyone, but yourself, for your failings. 5 5 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgealbert Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) Some really great names on the rebel list! 55555 Every time you see Lee Anderson, Suella Braveman, John Redwood, Iain Duncan Smith and the two most out of touch clowns, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Liz Truss, you know it is going to appeal to a certain type of elector, the bigots, racist, poorly educated losers. A rebellion on an amendment to disapply international law with regard to Rwanda being a safe country, trying to turn the UK into a banana republic and international embarrassment. The full list if anyone is really interested. Adam Afriyie - Windsor Lee Anderson - Ashfield Sarah Atherton - Wrexham Sir Jake Berry - Rossendale and Darwen Bob Blackman - Harrow East Ben Bradley - Mansfield Suella Braverman - Fareham Jack Brereton - Stoke-on-Trent South Paul Bristow - Peterborough Sir Bill Cash - Stone Miriam Cates - Penistone and Stocksbridge Rehman Chishti - Gillingham and Rainham Sir Christopher Chope - Christchurch Sir Simon Clarke - Middlesborough South and East Cleveland Brendan Clarke-Smith - Bassetlaw Philip Davies - Shipley Sarah Dines - Derbyshire Dales Richard Drax - South Dorset Sir James Duddridge - Rochford and Southend East Sir Iain Duncan Smith - Chingford and Woodford Green Michael Fabricant - Lichfield Nick Fletcher - Don Valley Kevin Foster - Torbay Mark Francois - Rayleigh and Wickford Chris Green - Bolton West James Grundy - Leigh Jonathan Gullis - Stoke-on-Trent North Sir John Hayes - South Holland and the Deepings Darren Henry - Broxtowe Philip Hollobone - Kettering Adam Holloway - Gravesham Eddie Hughes - Walsall North Tom Hunt - Ipswich Robert Jenrick - Newark Caroline Johnson - Sleaford and North Hykeham David Jones - Clwyd West Danny Kruger - Devizes Andrew Lewer - Northampton South Marco Longhi - Dudley North Jonathan Lord - Woking Craig Mackinlay - South Thanet Karl McCartney - Lincoln Robin Millar - Aberconwy Anne Marie Morris - Newton Abbot Jill Mortimer - Hartlepool Wendy Morton - Aldridge-Brownhills Lia Nici - Great Grimsby Neil O'Brien - Harborough Dr Matthew Offord - Hendon Tom Randall - Gedling John Redwood - Wokingham Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg - North East Somerset Laurence Robertson - Tewksbury Gary Sambrook - Birmingham, Northfield Greg Smith - Buckingham Henry Smith - Crawley Jane Stevenson - Wolverhampton North East Sir Desmond Swayne - New Forest West Liz Truss - South West Norfolk Sir Bill Wiggin - North Herefordshire Edited January 16 by Georgealbert 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 7 hours ago, youreavinalaff said: A large percentage of the public are concerned about immigration. They blame it for the problems with NHS, housing crisis, education and the economy. Here’s what concerns the public in order of importance. We know the extreme rightwing blame immigrants, true to type: ‘It’s always somebody else’s fault’. 14 years of failing government is a far more rational explanation but it’s not one fed out by the rightwing media. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/bulletins/publicopinionsandsocialtrendsgreatbritain/15to26november2023#:~:text=Main points,-Ahead of the&text=When asked about the important,as the top three issues. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, steve187 said: I think number 1 on the general publics mind is prices (electric, gas, council tax bills and food), immigration is a close 2nd Refer link above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 37 minutes ago, Georgealbert said: Some really great names on the rebel list! 55555 Every time you see Lee Anderson, Suella Braveman, John Redwood, Iain Duncan Smith and the two most out of touch clowns, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Liz Truss, you know it is going to appeal to a certain type of elector, the bigots, racist, poorly educated losers. A rebellion on an amendment to disapply international law with regard to Rwanda being a safe country, trying to turn the UK into a banana republic and international embarrassment. The full list if anyone is really interested. Adam Afriyie - Windsor Lee Anderson - Ashfield Sarah Atherton - Wrexham Sir Jake Berry - Rossendale and Darwen Bob Blackman - Harrow East Ben Bradley - Mansfield Suella Braverman - Fareham Jack Brereton - Stoke-on-Trent South Paul Bristow - Peterborough Sir Bill Cash - Stone Miriam Cates - Penistone and Stocksbridge Rehman Chishti - Gillingham and Rainham Sir Christopher Chope - Christchurch Sir Simon Clarke - Middlesborough South and East Cleveland Brendan Clarke-Smith - Bassetlaw Philip Davies - Shipley Sarah Dines - Derbyshire Dales Richard Drax - South Dorset Sir James Duddridge - Rochford and Southend East Sir Iain Duncan Smith - Chingford and Woodford Green Michael Fabricant - Lichfield Nick Fletcher - Don Valley Kevin Foster - Torbay Mark Francois - Rayleigh and Wickford Chris Green - Bolton West James Grundy - Leigh Jonathan Gullis - Stoke-on-Trent North Sir John Hayes - South Holland and the Deepings Darren Henry - Broxtowe Philip Hollobone - Kettering Adam Holloway - Gravesham Eddie Hughes - Walsall North Tom Hunt - Ipswich Robert Jenrick - Newark Caroline Johnson - Sleaford and North Hykeham David Jones - Clwyd West Danny Kruger - Devizes Andrew Lewer - Northampton South Marco Longhi - Dudley North Jonathan Lord - Woking Craig Mackinlay - South Thanet Karl McCartney - Lincoln Robin Millar - Aberconwy Anne Marie Morris - Newton Abbot Jill Mortimer - Hartlepool Wendy Morton - Aldridge-Brownhills Lia Nici - Great Grimsby Neil O'Brien - Harborough Dr Matthew Offord - Hendon Tom Randall - Gedling John Redwood - Wokingham Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg - North East Somerset Laurence Robertson - Tewksbury Gary Sambrook - Birmingham, Northfield Greg Smith - Buckingham Henry Smith - Crawley Jane Stevenson - Wolverhampton North East Sir Desmond Swayne - New Forest West Liz Truss - South West Norfolk Sir Bill Wiggin - North Herefordshire To be fair, the internal Tory opposition vote is itself split between those in the moderate center of the party who know the Rwanda Bill breaks international law and won’t work and the rightwing extremists who don’t think it goes far enough. The Tories are at war with themselves as the Government stares down the barrel of annihilation at the coming General Election. Here’s a curious circumstance: The Tories know they are going to lose, they know replacing Sunak now isn’t going to win them the election. The fight is therefore over who is going to run the Tory Party in opposition. A large Tory defeat plays into the hands of the rightwing extremists making it very much easier for them to take control of the party after the election while blaming moderates for the party’s losses. Meanwhile, as Tories squabble, the nation flounders. Same same for 14 straight years. 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 8 hours ago, youreavinalaff said: A large percentage of the public are concerned about immigration. They blame it for the problems with NHS, housing crisis, education and the economy. The immigrant is a convenient scapegoat to blame for the country's failing. Always has been and, unfortunately, probably always will be. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 Time for Sunak to go. The UK needs someone with true Conservative values to lead them, not some wishy washy fool who pretends to have them when it is convenient. There is no real Conservative option for people with moderately conservative values currently in the UK. The Tories have morphed into New Labour (minus the illegal warmongering obviously). Get Rees Mogg or Farage into the top spot ASAP or face defeat to the loony left at the next election. 1 1 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 17 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Time for Sunak to go. The UK needs someone with true Conservative values to lead them, not some wishy washy fool who pretends to have them when it is convenient. There is no real Conservative option for people with moderately conservative values currently in the UK. The Tories have morphed into New Labour (minus the illegal warmongering obviously). Get Rees Mogg or Farage into the top spot ASAP or face defeat to the loony left at the next election. MUGA 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Despite the best efforts of the ERG-backed Johnson administration to purge the Tory PP of traditional 'One Nation' MPs, it remains a sizeable faction. It will be interesting to see whether this group prevails over the more extreme right-wing groupings led by the likes of Braverman, Rees-Moog, etc. In any event, it is clear that the Conservative Party in its' current state is in no condition to lead the country, so imo the sooner the UK has an election and is rid of them the better. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 hours ago, Georgealbert said: Some really great names on the rebel list! 55555 Every time you see Lee Anderson, Suella Braveman, John Redwood, Iain Duncan Smith and the two most out of touch clowns, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Liz Truss, you know it is going to appeal to a certain type of elector, the bigots, racist, poorly educated losers. A rebellion on an amendment to disapply international law with regard to Rwanda being a safe country, trying to turn the UK into a banana republic and international embarrassment. The full list if anyone is really interested. Adam Afriyie - Windsor Lee Anderson - Ashfield Sarah Atherton - Wrexham Sir Jake Berry - Rossendale and Darwen Bob Blackman - Harrow East Ben Bradley - Mansfield Suella Braverman - Fareham Jack Brereton - Stoke-on-Trent South Paul Bristow - Peterborough Sir Bill Cash - Stone Miriam Cates - Penistone and Stocksbridge Rehman Chishti - Gillingham and Rainham Sir Christopher Chope - Christchurch Sir Simon Clarke - Middlesborough South and East Cleveland Brendan Clarke-Smith - Bassetlaw Philip Davies - Shipley Sarah Dines - Derbyshire Dales Richard Drax - South Dorset Sir James Duddridge - Rochford and Southend East Sir Iain Duncan Smith - Chingford and Woodford Green Michael Fabricant - Lichfield Nick Fletcher - Don Valley Kevin Foster - Torbay Mark Francois - Rayleigh and Wickford Chris Green - Bolton West James Grundy - Leigh Jonathan Gullis - Stoke-on-Trent North Sir John Hayes - South Holland and the Deepings Darren Henry - Broxtowe Philip Hollobone - Kettering Adam Holloway - Gravesham Eddie Hughes - Walsall North Tom Hunt - Ipswich Robert Jenrick - Newark Caroline Johnson - Sleaford and North Hykeham David Jones - Clwyd West Danny Kruger - Devizes Andrew Lewer - Northampton South Marco Longhi - Dudley North Jonathan Lord - Woking Craig Mackinlay - South Thanet Karl McCartney - Lincoln Robin Millar - Aberconwy Anne Marie Morris - Newton Abbot Jill Mortimer - Hartlepool Wendy Morton - Aldridge-Brownhills Lia Nici - Great Grimsby Neil O'Brien - Harborough Dr Matthew Offord - Hendon Tom Randall - Gedling John Redwood - Wokingham Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg - North East Somerset Laurence Robertson - Tewksbury Gary Sambrook - Birmingham, Northfield Greg Smith - Buckingham Henry Smith - Crawley Jane Stevenson - Wolverhampton North East Sir Desmond Swayne - New Forest West Liz Truss - South West Norfolk Sir Bill Wiggin - North Herefordshire Sir Bill Cash. I checked. That's a real name, a real person. No wonder they're doing so bad. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 29 minutes ago, RayC said: In any event, it is clear that the Conservative Party in its' current state is in no condition to lead the country, so imo the sooner the UK has an election and is rid of them the better. I'd agree - the Conservative party are far too weak under Sunak. They need a strong leader with real conservative values to lead them forward. If they have any sense they will remove Sunak and he can go join Labour or the Greens or someone who closer aligns with his lily livered nature. The Tories can then appoint a leader from the ERG, or maybe Farage. Or maybe the Tories can dissolve completely and the MP's with real conservative values can join Reform UK and the weak ones can form "Newer Labour" or "Break UK" alongside Blair, Abbott, Corbyn and all the other political leftist loons/failures. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 33 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I'd agree - the Conservative party are far too weak under Sunak. They need a strong leader with real conservative values to lead them forward. If they have any sense they will remove Sunak and he can go join Labour or the Greens or someone who closer aligns with his lily livered nature. The Tories can then appoint a leader from the ERG, or maybe Farage. Or maybe the Tories can dissolve completely and the MP's with real conservative values can join Reform UK and the weak ones can form "Newer Labour" or "Break UK" alongside Blair, Abbott, Corbyn and all the other political leftist loons/failures. The Tories have already swung hard right, it’s not working out for them. By all means go further right, it’s a losing formula, go for it. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The Tories have already swung hard right, it’s not working out for them. Hard right? Are you joking? They are practically a left wing government (with a few right of centre rebels) at this point. 16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: By all means go further right, it’s a losing formula, go for it. There needs to be a real Conservative option for voters. If they do not win, fair enough - that's Democracy. But to not even offer the voters a party with true Conservative values is an affront to Democracy. 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Hard right? Are you joking? They are practically a left wing government (with a few right of centre rebels) at this point. There needs to be a real Conservative option for voters. If they do not win, fair enough - that's Democracy. But to not even offer the voters a party with true Conservative values is an affront to Democracy. Tories screaming about ditching human rights laws, placing Government above the law and scapegoating immigrants not ‘Conservative’ enough for you? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 13 hours ago, youreavinalaff said: A large percentage of the public are concerned about immigration. They blame it for the problems with NHS, housing crisis, education and the economy. And they are most probably correct. IMO the biggest problem is France as all the illegals have made their way from their home countries, into the "relative" safe haven of Europe. Many of them will travel further across Europe, ignoring the safe haven of the EU countries to the shores of France, where they get transported across the English Channel to the UK. They believe that the streets of the UK are paved with gold and where they believe that they will be given everything that they need or desire. I know it is not an easy question tp answer, but where do they get the rubber boats, engines, fuel, life jackets etc from? They obviously don't bring them from their home countries, so where do these things come from? Presumably there is a big business supplying them, and whoever is selling them must be making a lot of money. Obviously, smarter people than me must have worked out where the stuff comes from, so why have they not cracked down on the suppliers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: I'd agree - the Conservative party are far too weak under Sunak. They need a strong leader with real conservative values to lead them forward. If they have any sense they will remove Sunak and he can go join Labour or the Greens or someone who closer aligns with his lily livered nature. The Tories can then appoint a leader from the ERG, or maybe Farage. Or maybe the Tories can dissolve completely and the MP's with real conservative values can join Reform UK and the weak ones can form "Newer Labour" or "Break UK" alongside Blair, Abbott, Corbyn and all the other political leftist loons/failures. Ah, a return to days of Empire and good Tory governance. Only two problems with that with that theory: Britain no longer has an empire and Tory governance was rarely good. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Here’s what concerns the public in order of importance. We know the extreme rightwing blame immigrants, true to type: ‘It’s always somebody else’s fault’. 14 years of failing government is a far more rational explanation but it’s not one fed out by the rightwing media. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/bulletins/publicopinionsandsocialtrendsgreatbritain/15to26november2023#:~:text=Main points,-Ahead of the&text=When asked about the important,as the top three issues. If those concerned with immigration are all extreme right wing, Labour won't get a look in at the next general election. Tories will sweep the board. Reform UK will also have their best ever results. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 (edited) 8 hours ago, Georgealbert said: You are a kiwi with limited knowledge of British politics, but you still feel the need to post your BS everyday on as many threads as possible, even when those comments offer nothing constructive. What we get is your closet racism, you try to disguise as an opinion. Your knowledge on everything is so limited, because you ignore everyone that disagrees with you, and what happens is that you are an empty echo chamber, only hearing yourself. I pity you, as your lack the intellectual ability for critically thinking, hence leading you to blame everyone, but yourself, for your failings. However he has the same rights as you, I or anybody else to post on any topic that he wishes. You have the same right to read his posts as everybody else. If you personally don't like his posts, you have the option of skipping over his posts thus ignoring him, putting him on your ignore list, or formally complaining to the moderators about his posts. The easiest and simplest thing to do is put him on your ignore list. I agree with a lot of his posts and disagree with a lot his other posts, probably about 50/50, and some that I disagree with I respond to and discuss. What I try my best to avoid is insulting the poster. It you personally don't like his posts, then don't read them. Edited January 17 by billd766 I thought that I did a spell check before I posted 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, RayC said: Despite the best efforts of the ERG-backed Johnson administration to purge the Tory PP of traditional 'One Nation' MPs, it remains a sizeable faction. It will be interesting to see whether this group prevails over the more extreme right-wing groupings led by the likes of Braverman, Rees-Moog, etc. In any event, it is clear that the Conservative Party in its' current state is in no condition to lead the country, so imo the sooner the UK has an election and is rid of them the better. But which party should replace them and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: If those concerned with immigration are all extreme right wing, Labour won't get a look in at the next general election. Tories will sweep the board. Reform UK will also have their best ever results. You are making the not uncommon mistake of grouping all concerns on a subject into the same pot. One voter might simply be concerned about the number of immigrants. Another might be concerned about where the immigrants are coming from. Another, might be concerned about the costs related to immigration. Another might be concerned about immigrants dying in the Channel. The list goes on. It’s very likely they all agree that the Government has failed to manage immigration. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are making the not uncommon mistake of grouping all concerns on a subject into the same pot. One voter might simply be concerned about the number of immigrants. Another might be concerned about where the immigrants are coming from. Another, might be concerned about the costs related to immigration. Another might be concerned about immigrants dying in the Channel. The list goes on. It’s very likely they all agree that the Government has failed to manage immigration. No. You did that. You said extreme right wingers blame immigrants. You did not differentiate. Now that you are just proves a point. Edited January 17 by youreavinalaff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cyclist Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: You are making the not uncommon mistake of grouping all concerns on a subject into the same pot. Just like you do. Legal Immigration Illegal immigration Quote LONDON — “Stopping the boats” — Rishi Sunak’s bid to sharply reduce irregular migration routes — is now the second-biggest concern among 2019 Conservative voters, according to a new poll. https://www.politico.eu/article/stop-the-boats-now-second-biggest-concern-of-tory-voters-poll/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 minutes ago, The Cyclist said: Just like you do. Legal Immigration Illegal immigration https://www.politico.eu/article/stop-the-boats-now-second-biggest-concern-of-tory-voters-poll/ So ‘the boats’ are the ‘second biggest concern’ of ‘Tory Voters’. Elections are won by winning swing voters, and as you yourself point out, the boats are only the second biggest concern within the Tory base. I expect it has dawned on even those normally reliable Tory voters that the Government has failed miserably on immigration. Oh did I make any comment on legal/illegal immigration? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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