Reason why cannabis is going to be banned again

[Jayaroi]

I read the concern is young Thais are going to use it. However cannabis is not addictive nor do young people have so much spare cash to make it for daily use nor is it so attractive to them. So any other proper reason?

[ozimoron]

44 minutes ago, Jayaroi said:

I read the concern is young Thais are going to use it. However cannabis is not addictive nor do young people have so much spare cash to make it for daily use nor is it so attractive to them. So any other proper reason?

 

Good point. The young are more attracted to anything that is illegal. Reductions in the use of all drugs in other countries has been seen where their use it decriminalised.

[Olmate]

It stinks! 

[impulse]

To answer the title:  Because they haven't figured out how to make the weed money flow to the right families, like they have for booze and smokes.

 

[still kicking]

9 minutes ago, Olmate said:

It stinks! 

[steven100]

1 hour ago, Jayaroi said:

I read the concern is young Thais are going to use it. However cannabis is not addictive nor do young people have so much spare cash to make it for daily use nor is it so attractive to them. So any other proper reason?

 

sorry,  what a stupid explanation ...  young thais are already bonged off their silly heads from smoking this garbage. THEY want to ban it again because it was a ridiculous pathetic idea in the first place to allow it.  

It does absolutely nothing to promote good society or create responsible jobs for school leavers or enhance prospect opportunities.

 

They obviously come to realize there's enough nutcases running loose around Thailand as it is with yabba drug addicts and the likes.

 

Any country that allowed pot heads to open shops etc has failed miserably. 

 

Singapore & the Philippines has the correct approach toward drug users .....   

[steven100]

38 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Good point. The young are more attracted to anything that is illegal. Reductions in the use of all drugs in other countries has been seen where their use it decriminalised.

nonsense .... drugs are illegal .... and users, sellers,  pushers who are caught will be punished in most civilized countries.

[scubascuba3]

Brit lady on the radio the other day, regretted taking it daily, ruined her life, still takes it, said made her slow

[HugoFastor]

5 minutes ago, steven100 said:

 

sorry,  what a stupid explanation ...  young thais are already bonged off their silly heads from smoking this garbage. THEY want to ban it again because it was a ridiculous pathetic idea in the first place to allow it.  

It does absolutely nothing to promote good society or create responsible jobs for school leavers or enhance prospect opportunities.

 

They obviously come to realize there's enough nutcases running loose around Thailand as it is with yabba drug addicts and the likes.

 

Any country that allowed pot heads to open shops etc has failed miserably. 

 

Singapore & the Philippines has the correct approach toward drug users .....   

 

The same boring, redundant, tired, old argument I've seen posted in these forums countless times. Then comes the barrage of posts explaining how alcohol and cigarettes, although legal, are far more destructive to mental and physical health than cannabis. Although that is 1000% true, I'll let someone else grab the mantle and repeat what has already been explained countless times, but never seems to sink into the heads of the anti-cannabis cabal. 

[Rhys]

Vato roll another one...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oll another one...

 

[HugoFastor]

38 minutes ago, Olmate said:

It stinks! 

You mean like alcohol and cigarettes? 

[Lemsta69]

23 minutes ago, steven100 said:

 

sorry,  what a stupid explanation ...  young thais are already bonged off their silly heads from smoking this garbage. THEY want to ban it again because it was a ridiculous pathetic idea in the first place to allow it.  

It does absolutely nothing to promote good society or create responsible jobs for school leavers or enhance prospect opportunities.

 

They obviously come to realize there's enough nutcases running loose around Thailand as it is with yabba drug addicts and the likes.

 

Any country that allowed pot heads to open shops etc has failed miserably. 

 

Singapore & the Philippines has the correct approach toward drug users .....   

 

What the hell is "yabba"? Sounds like something Fred Flintstone shouts out when he's on the job with Wilma.

[HugoFastor]

According to a recent Thai PBS article, 10 million Thais use cannabis already as of now. That's 1 in 7 people in the Thai population:

 

"Estimates suggest the number of cannabis users in Thailand has rocketed 10 times to about 10 million – around one in seven people – since it became the first country in Asia to decriminalize the herb."

 

Changing the law to something else more restrictive now isn't going to reduce that number. Making it harder to get may only cause more problems and opportunities for criminals and the police to extort users. 
 

They would be best to focus their resources on controlling the dangerous and addictive drug problems in Thailand instead, things like meth, cocaine and heroine and leave the people who want to use cannabis alone. 
 

Of all the substances, alcohol, cigarettes, cannabis, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, etc., the only one that's ever prescribed by doctors directly to patients for any medical use or reason is cannabis. There is your answer.

[HugoFastor]

3 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

 

What the hell is "yabba"? Sounds like something Fred Flintstone shouts out when he's on the job with Wilma.

Literally translates to "crazy drug" in English. It is the Thai word for Methamphetamine made in underground labs into an elicit drug and usually sold as red/pink colored tablets. 

[josephbloggs]

30 minutes ago, steven100 said:

 

sorry,  what a stupid explanation ...  young thais are already bonged off their silly heads from smoking this garbage. THEY want to ban it again because it was a ridiculous pathetic idea in the first place to allow it.  

It does absolutely nothing to promote good society or create responsible jobs for school leavers or enhance prospect opportunities.

 

They obviously come to realize there's enough nutcases running loose around Thailand as it is with yabba drug addicts and the likes.

 

Any country that allowed pot heads to open shops etc has failed miserably. 

 

Singapore & the Philippines has the correct approach toward drug users .....   

Knock knock, Steven, time to come out of the 1950s. 

So please tell me about all these failed countries that fully legalised or decriminalised, cannabis. Canada, Germany, USA (in some states), Luxembourg, Malta, Georgia, South Africa, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Chile, Uruguay, Netherlands,  Spain, Czech Republic......and many others.

Yeah, all known as failed states.

[Upnotover]

6 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

Literally translates to "crazy drug" in English. It is the Thai word for Methamphetamine made in underground labs into an elicit drug and usually sold as red/pink colored tablets. 

I suspect he knew this already.

[HugoFastor]

One of the main reasons that Germany just legalized recreational cannabis use is because 50% of the German population, between the ages of 15 and 40, already use cannabis, either on occasion or regularly. At the moment, there are over 200,000 open legal cases in the German courts against German people using cannabis recreationally.
 

It has become a complete law enforcement and judicial nightmare for Germany by consuming lots of tax money and extensive government resources to try to control. So they came to the realization that making it legal was better than trying to stop something that is impossible to stop.
 

With 10 million people in Thailand already using cannabis now, hopefully the government will come to the same understanding and stop trying to stop something that can't be stopped and move onto focusing on the bigger and more dangerous issues facing the country. 

[steven100]

18 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Knock knock, Steven, time to come out of the 1950s. 

So please tell me about all these failed countries that fully legalised or decriminalised, cannabis. Canada, Germany, USA (in some states), Luxembourg, Malta, Georgia, South Africa, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Chile, Uruguay, Netherlands,  Spain, Czech Republic......and many others.

Yeah, all known as failed states.

That's fine ... how's their crime rate figures?   anyway,  doesn't matter .... I would sooner live in Singapore if it wasn't so damn expensive, you don't see drug addicts walking the streets their.. unlike Thailand ..where they will kill the grandparents if they don't give them money for more drugs.  

 

I'd prefer to live in a place free of pot heads with a common sense civilized society. but that's hard to find these days .😂

[steven100]

32 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

According to a recent Thai PBS article, 10 million Thais use cannabis already as of now. That's 1 in 7 people in the Thai population:

 

 

"Estimates suggest the number of cannabis users in Thailand has rocketed 10 times to about 10 million – around one in seven people – since it became the first country in Asia to decriminalize the herb."

 

Changing the law to something else more restrictive now isn't going to reduce that number. Making it harder to get may only cause more problems and opportunities for criminals and the police to extort users. 
 

They would be best to focus their resources on controlling the dangerous and addictive drug problems in Thailand instead, things like meth, cocaine and heroine and leave the people who want to use cannabis alone. 
 

Of all the substances, alcohol, cigarettes, cannabis, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, etc., the only one that's ever prescribed by doctors directly to patients for any medical use or reason is cannabis. There is your answer.

change the law as quickly as possible,  at least try to get some realization of a sensible approach back into Thailand,  in stead of pot heads running around everywhere. 

[steven100]

2 hours ago, Jayaroi said:

I read the concern is young Thais are going to use it

and did you just make that up for an excuse to write your disapproval ...   sounds like it.    Lol ....

[HugoFastor]

I'll add that when cannabis flowers were removed from the list of criminal Class-5 narcotics in June 2022, that over 3,000 Thai people serving prison sentences related to cannabis at that time were then instantly released from prison.
 

Presumably, the was a big relief to the already over burdened prison system to be able get rid of a few thousand people that were needlessly put in prison for possessing a non-dangerous substance.
 

Should the laws change again to where possession of cannabis flowers will carry a prison sentence, then the whole legal and law-enforcement nightmare would put an unnecessary added strain back onto the prison system again. I don't think Thailand really wants to go back down that same road again. 

[Hummin]

32 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Knock knock, Steven, time to come out of the 1950s. 

So please tell me about all these failed countries that fully legalised or decriminalised, cannabis. Canada, Germany, USA (in some states), Luxembourg, Malta, Georgia, South Africa, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Chile, Uruguay, Netherlands,  Spain, Czech Republic......and many others.

Yeah, all known as failed states.

Have any of those countries opened up for cannabis the same chaotic way as Thailand? We got 3 plants at our door from the ampur! We didnt even ask for it.

 

No control or regulation at all, the same way you can buy dirty contaminated kratom drinks everywhere you go as well. No control no regulation is the way to success. 

 

 

[HugoFastor]

12 minutes ago, steven100 said:

I'd prefer to live in a place free of pot heads with a common sense civilized society. but that's hard to find these days .😂

Are you already drunk this early in the day?

[LOWERCASEGUY]

1 hour ago, Jayaroi said:

However cannabis is not addictive

 

This is an urban myth.  People have a tendency to confuse "less addictive" with "not addictive" because it suits their purposes.  

 

Here is a paper from the University of Notre Dame.  

 

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The most popular myth to explore is whether marijuana is addictive. For years it was believed that marijuana could not be addictive and many people today still hold that belief to be true. Current research supports that marijuana is both physically addictive and psychologically addictive.

 

I think it's pretty hard to argue that one doesn't build a tolerance to weed over time which is one of the three criteria.  And ask any stoner that's ever taking a tolerance break if they have withdrawal symptoms, that's two criteria met.  While you can easily find a third critera in withdrawal from personal/social relationships or having a strong desire to reduce or cut back on usage, continuation of use despite the presence of adverse effects is going to pretty much be on a lot of heavy stoner's lists.  

 

So, if that's the medical definition of addiction,  we just proved that cannabis can be addictive.

 

I’m not anti-weed, I’m a daily smoker, however, I am anti-BS, bro-science about weed.  Throwing out easily disprovable information doesn’t help the cause, bro.

 

Too many people that couldn’t locate the liver in an anatomy book doling out medical facts like they’re doctors.

 

1 hour ago, Jayaroi said:

nor do young people have so much spare cash to make it for daily use

 

Ahh, the old, Thais are poor theory.  

 

You know Thais can grow weed, right?  They don’t have to buy it if they can grow it or steal it from someone who grows.

 

And nowadays, a lot of Thais make way more than some expats that live here so the poverty angle isn’t as compelling as it might have been 20 or 30 years ago when most Thais were truly in or close to poverty.

 

You should really read the Thai-language news because there is almost a daily story about this or that shop getting busted for selling kratom juice and cannabis to minors.

 

Apparently, Thai youth like to mix THC and cough syrup too and they’ve made several big busts for that too.

 

1 hour ago, Jayaroi said:

I read the concern is young Thais are going to use it.

 

Nothing you’ve said negates the fact that most medical research indicates that the human brain doesn’t not finish development until around 25 and that cannabis use prior to that can have negative effects on development and cognition.

 

That’s pretty universal in every market that has legalized weed and even some of the loudest proponents for cannabis say that it’s not appropriate for young people.

 

Whether it’s addictive or not is not relevant in that context.

 

Again, I’m not anti-cannabis, I’m highly supportive of it and involved in the business.

 

But there are plenty of valid reasons to restrict the availability of cannabis to people under 20.

 

The problem the Thai government has is that given the current status of cannabis, it’s very difficult for the police to do anything.

 

Weed isn’t illegal.

 

Possessing it if you’re under 20 is illegal.

 

But since it’s not a narcotic, the penalties for both possession and selling it to a minor are wrist slaps which isn’t an effective deterrent.

 

You also need to keep in mind that Thais see the issue very differently than the typical foreigner that goes on social to ask why it’s being made illegal again.

 

Thais are overwhelmingly against recreational use.  I mean, almost 90% kind of overwhelming (google some of the NIDA and other polls).  The government is giving the people exactly what they’re asking for.

 

Thais LOVE medicinal use though.  I remember when one of the first cannabis clinics opened (a real clinic in a hospital, not a dispensary), I saw Thai people from every age group and economic class waiting for cannabis therapy.  People would roll up in a brand new Mercedes and the next guy would be on a Honda Wave that was older than the driver.  I saw little old Thai ladies and young people lined up for cannabis therapy.

 

Even my (Thai) wife is crazy about CBD gummies and takes one with her multi-vitamin every morning.

 

The real reason they’re trying to roll back legalization is that it happened too fast and too big for most Thais.

 

You went from this plant being an automatic jail sentence to a dispensary every 100 meters on every street.

 

Too many shops that went with the stoner graffiti look and catering to the dregs of society.

 

Mind you, I’m not suggesting all cannabis users are dregs of society, stoners, or any other term that could be construed negatively.  But I can tell you there are shops that cater to different segments of the cannabis market and many of them went straight to the lowest common denominator.

 

Ironically, the lowest common denominator customers are the drug addicts you claim don’t exist.

 

 

 

 

[HugoFastor]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Have any of those countries opened up for cannabis the same chaotic way as Thailand? We got 3 plants at our door from the ampur! We didnt even ask for it.

 

No control or regulation at all, the same way you can buy dirty contaminated kratom drinks everywhere you go as well. No control no regulation is the way to success. 

 

 

Starting April 1 you will be permitted to grow 3 cannabis plants at home anywhere in Germany without any regulation on it. They can grow as big and contain as much THC as you want them too. Germany is a highly functioning, civilized and regulated society. They obviously don't see any issues with it because it isn't a problem. So why should anywhere else be concerned about it?

[HugoFastor]

3 minutes ago, LOWERCASEGUY said:

 

This is an urban myth.  People have a tendency to confuse "less addictive" with "not addictive" because it suits their purposes.  

 

Here is a paper from the University of Notre Dame.  

 

 

I think it's pretty hard to argue that one doesn't build a tolerance to weed over time which is one of the three criteria.  And ask any stoner that's ever taking a tolerance break if they have withdrawal symptoms, that's two criteria met.  While you can easily find a third critera in withdrawal from personal/social relationships or having a strong desire to reduce or cut back on usage, continuation of use despite the presence of adverse effects is going to pretty much be on a lot of heavy stoner's lists.  

 

So, if that's the medical definition of addiction,  we just proved that cannabis can be addictive.

 

I’m not anti-weed, I’m a daily smoker, however, I am anti-BS, bro-science about weed.  Throwing out easily disprovable information doesn’t help the cause, bro.

 

Too many people that couldn’t locate the liver in an anatomy book doling out medical facts like they’re doctors.

 

 

Ahh, the old, Thais are poor theory.  

 

You know Thais can grow weed, right?  They don’t have to buy it if they can grow it or steal it from someone who grows.

 

And nowadays, a lot of Thais make way more than some expats that live here so the poverty angle isn’t as compelling as it might have been 20 or 30 years ago when most Thais were truly in or close to poverty.

 

You should really read the Thai-language news because there is almost a daily story about this or that shop getting busted for selling kratom juice and cannabis to minors.

 

Apparently, Thai youth like to mix THC and cough syrup too and they’ve made several big busts for that too.

 

 

Nothing you’ve said negates the fact that most medical research indicates that the human brain doesn’t not finish development until around 25 and that cannabis use prior to that can have negative effects on development and cognition.

 

That’s pretty universal in every market that has legalized weed and even some of the loudest proponents for cannabis say that it’s not appropriate for young people.

 

Whether it’s addictive or not is not relevant in that context.

 

Again, I’m not anti-cannabis, I’m highly supportive of it and involved in the business.

 

But there are plenty of valid reasons to restrict the availability of cannabis to people under 20.

 

The problem the Thai government has is that given the current status of cannabis, it’s very difficult for the police to do anything.

 

Weed isn’t illegal.

 

Possessing it if you’re under 20 is illegal.

 

But since it’s not a narcotic, the penalties for both possession and selling it to a minor are wrist slaps which isn’t an effective deterrent.

 

You also need to keep in mind that Thais see the issue very differently than the typical foreigner that goes on social to ask why it’s being made illegal again.

 

Thais are overwhelmingly against recreational use.  I mean, almost 90% kind of overwhelming (google some of the NIDA and other polls).  The government is giving the people exactly what they’re asking for.

 

Thais LOVE medicinal use though.  I remember when one of the first cannabis clinics opened (a real clinic in a hospital, not a dispensary), I saw Thai people from every age group and economic class waiting for cannabis therapy.  People would roll up in a brand new Mercedes and the next guy would be on a Honda Wave that was older than the driver.  I saw little old Thai ladies and young people lined up for cannabis therapy.

 

Even my (Thai) wife is crazy about CBD gummies and takes one with her multi-vitamin every morning.

 

The real reason they’re trying to roll back legalization is that it happened too fast and too big for most Thais.

 

You went from this plant being an automatic jail sentence to a dispensary every 100 meters on every street.

 

Too many shops that went with the stoner graffiti look and catering to the dregs of society.

 

Mind you, I’m not suggesting all cannabis users are dregs of society, stoners, or any other term that could be construed negatively.  But I can tell you there are shops that cater to different segments of the cannabis market and many of them went straight to the lowest common denominator.

 

Ironically, the lowest common denominator customers are the drug addicts you claim don’t exist.

 

 

 

 

Just for the record, I didn't read a single word of this post. 

[steven100]

6 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

Are you already drunk this early in the day?

half way there .. 6 bottles Chang.. Ka Phao for dinner later.

[LOWERCASEGUY]

52 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

Changing the law to something else more restrictive now isn't going to reduce that number. Making it harder to get may only cause more problems and opportunities for criminals and the police to extort users. 

 

You're forgetting that cannabis also means CBD.   

 

 

 

[HugoFastor]

3 minutes ago, steven100 said:

half way there .. 6 bottles Chang.. Ka Phao for dinner later.

Well done. No bottles of that rot gut 40 degree rice wine from 7-11 though? It doubles as embalming fluid too, so its consumption is always appreciated by morticians. 😂

[LOWERCASEGUY]

10 minutes ago, HugoFastor said:

Just for the record, I didn't read a single word of this post. 

 

Based on some things you've posted, your disdain for reading is evident.