placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, Wobblybob said: The majority of the Palestinians support Hamas, they rejoiced when the defenceless innocent Israelis civilians were slaughtered. Yes I support Israel full heartedly there must never be another 7/10, never again is now! Maybe that's not what they were celebrating. Rather that some broke out of the high-tech prison, outsmarted their captors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, placnx said: Maybe that's not what they were celebrating. Rather that some broke out of the high-tech prison, outsmarted their captors. And maybe you will justify terrorists no matter what. You have an excuse for every occasion! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, placnx said: Maybe that's not what they were celebrating. Rather that some broke out of the high-tech prison, outsmarted their captors. No they also took hostages back to Gaza. Try again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: They are not facts at all , Palestinians have allegedly been starving to death for five months now and still there's no actual starvation 🙂 The Gazian ladies actually look rather plump and over weight in the photos No starvation in Gaza. That's what the lovely young woman, spokesperson for Netanyahu, always says when asked by BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: They can move to areas other than Rafah , Israel have even provided accommodation for them . You are making excuses for Hamas using woman and children as human shields , as woman and children stand between Hamas being wiped out completely US is asking Israel to show their plan for moving the million plus people in Rafah, and Israel has not done so. US wants to see preparations for the encampments such as a water supply and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 4 minutes ago, placnx said: No starvation in Gaza. That's what the lovely young woman, spokesperson for Netanyahu, always says when asked by BBC. If it doesn't come out of a terrorists mouth or Al Jazeera you don't believe it. 🥴 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: Now is the time for woman and children and civilians to leave Rafah . Israel has announced their intention to seek Hamas in Rafah , why aren't the civilians evacuating ? There is no safe place to go. Hamas is asking that people from northern Gaza be allowed to return there, as fighting there is ostensibly over, but Israel has refused. Edited April 13 by placnx more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, placnx said: US is asking Israel to show their plan for moving the million plus people in Rafah, and Israel has not done so. US wants to see preparations for the encampments such as a water supply and so on. Why should the emphasis be on Israel to look after who they are war with, Israel has done enough good will gestures, do you think Hamas might have a part to play in the safety of Gazan citizens! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 56 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: I called it accommodation, you asked me to provide links to detention camps . I can provide links to accommodation provided , but I cannot provide any links to detention camps . Palestians can go to the accommodation if they want and they aren't being forced to go there or stay there , so they are not detention camps because they are not being detained . They are in an open-air prison called Gaza. There used to be some roofs, but bombs took care of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: No they also took hostages back to Gaza. Try again Yes, to exchange for captives in Israeli prisons, including political prisoners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 10 minutes ago, Wobblybob said: If it doesn't come out of a terrorists mouth or Al Jazeera you don't believe it. 🥴 Don't forget to mention BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: Those were just regular attacks that Israel tried to ignore and thus there was no war . It was the Hamas Oct 7 invasion and escalation that triggered this war Chicken and egg. These people have hated each other for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, placnx said: Don't forget to mention BBC. The BBC is run by left wing liberals that seem to share your opinions, don't bite the hand that feeds you propaganda! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 9 minutes ago, Wobblybob said: Why should the emphasis be on Israel to look after who they are war with, Israel has done enough good will gestures, do you think Hamas might have a part to play in the safety of Gazan citizens! Israeli is required by international law to feed and care for the occupied people of Gaza, deemed to be under their control. Instead for years there was the diabolical practice to calculate the minimum calorie consumption to prevent starvation (1750?) and to limit food deliveries to that. Of course back then Gazans could to some extent grow food, but farms were also attacked in the present onslaught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblybob Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, placnx said: Israeli is required by international law to feed and care for the occupied people of Gaza, deemed to be under their control. Instead for years there was the diabolical practice to calculate the minimum calorie consumption to prevent starvation (1750?) and to limit food deliveries to that. Of course back then Gazans could to some extent grow food, but farms were also attacked in the present onslaught. And they are doing as much as humanely possible, who is hijacking aid trucks, who can't distribute the food already in Gaza....Sorry to disappoint but it's not Israel. Hamas has made a rod for their and their followers back, and some posters on here soak up the lies coming out of the terrorists mouths as gospel, well more fool them! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, Robert Paulson said: The fact that Palestinians support Hamas is a point in against Israel. Yes of course they do. It actually speaks volumes but most people will not ever question why they would support them. They just won’t get that far they will take the spoon fed version of events on the news. So why is it Palestinians supports Hamas? Just answer that question and you get the clarity reason being they are spoon fed by Al Jazeera For most Palestinians, October 7’s savagery is literally unbelievable. Blame the TV news? Al Jazeera and others largely ignored Hamas atrocities, bolstering distrust of Israeli accounts; one poll found 97% in West Bank deny the monstrous acts committed against civilians. No Israeli civilians were killed in the October 7 onslaught on communities near Gaza, Palestinian diplomat Abdullah Abu Shawesh claimed matter of factly to Al Jazeera last week. Accounts of rape and other atrocities “were lies,” he said, dismissing the overwhelming evidence that Hamas’s slaughter of 1,200 people in southern Israel included indiscriminate massacres and sexual violence. On the Palestinian street, Shawesh’s claims are not the views of a fringe conspiracy theorist, but rather reflective of mainstream beliefs, with polling and other evidence showing high levels of denialism regarding the savagery visited upon southern Israel that day. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-most-palestinians-october-7s-savagery-is-literally-unbelievable-blame-the-tv-news/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, placnx said: Yes, to exchange for captives in Israeli prisons, including political prisoners. No they took them to sell them to Hamas, they took them for blood money. $10,000 was the going rate per hostage. You are so naïve 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, sidneybear said: True, but it's all a question of degrees of badness. Its about winning a war and the steps necessary to take to win the war . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, placnx said: Yes, to exchange for captives in Israeli prisons, including political prisoners. Exchanging innocent people taken hostage , including children and Babies for convicted mass murderers and terrorists . Keeping a1 year old baby hostage until a convicted mass murderer is released 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, placnx said: AseanNow should add new reaction icons, one for "lie", another for "propaganda". The "confused" icon does not say enough. What are you trying to say ? Your post is way to vague to make any sense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, jacko45k said: Yes, they probably did, I have no more recent evaluation on that though. I suspect a lot have changed their minds on that support and would opt for a ceasefire. What Israel does now is excessive, destabilizing and puts the region at risk. It needs to end. Hamas need to stop attacking Israel and the only way to do that is to wipe Hamas out 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, placnx said: Some Israeli cabinet ministers were suggesting that other countries (not Egypt) absorb the people of Gaza. Then there was the meeting about putting settlers back in Gaza. Then somebody was fantasizing about selling Gaza land for beachfront villas. Yes, all options need to be discussed , its what people normally do when trying to work out a solution to a problem 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: reason being they are spoon fed by Al Jazeera For most Palestinians, October 7’s savagery is literally unbelievable. Blame the TV news? Al Jazeera and others largely ignored Hamas atrocities, bolstering distrust of Israeli accounts; one poll found 97% in West Bank deny the monstrous acts committed against civilians. No Israeli civilians were killed in the October 7 onslaught on communities near Gaza, Palestinian diplomat Abdullah Abu Shawesh claimed matter of factly to Al Jazeera last week. Accounts of rape and other atrocities “were lies,” he said, dismissing the overwhelming evidence that Hamas’s slaughter of 1,200 people in southern Israel included indiscriminate massacres and sexual violence. On the Palestinian street, Shawesh’s claims are not the views of a fringe conspiracy theorist, but rather reflective of mainstream beliefs, with polling and other evidence showing high levels of denialism regarding the savagery visited upon southern Israel that day. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-most-palestinians-october-7s-savagery-is-literally-unbelievable-blame-the-tv-news/ The claims of systematic rape are not believed, but beyond that there is evidence for IDF killing their own, in some cases to prevent live hostages from reaching Gaza. Then there is destruction in kubbutzi, some of which is too gross to have been caused by small arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: No they took them to sell them to Hamas, they took them for blood money. $10,000 was the going rate per hostage. You are so naïve Maybe some were free lancers, but the end result was to be that they would be exchanged for Palestinians, including political prisoners, in Israeli jails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: Exchanging innocent people taken hostage , including children and Babies for convicted mass murderers and terrorists . Keeping a1 year old baby hostage until a convicted mass murderer is released Very few Palestinian prisoners committed multiple murders because those people are usually shot on the spot even before they can actually kill someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placnx Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said: Yes, all options need to be discussed , its what people normally do when trying to work out a solution to a problem I didn't think that I needed to mention the term "ethnic cleansing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, placnx said: Very few Palestinian prisoners committed multiple murders because those people are usually shot on the spot even before they can actually kill someone. In the last prisoner exchange , 280 Palestinian prisoners who were serving life sentences for mass murder were released in exchange for one Israeli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 21 minutes ago, placnx said: The claims of systematic rape are not believed, but beyond that there is evidence for IDF killing their own, in some cases to prevent live hostages from reaching Gaza. Evidence of that please . You are claiming that the IDF killed Israelis being taken to Gaza for the sole reason to stop them becoming hostages . Do you have a non Al-Jazeera link to back that claim up ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, placnx said: There is no safe place to go. Hamas is asking that people from northern Gaza be allowed to return there, as fighting there is ostensibly over, but Israel has refused. The IDF have withdrawn from most of Gaza , there is nothing to stop Palestinians moving out of Rafah , but they can go nowhere near the northern border though , that area is off limits 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, placnx said: Maybe that's not what they were celebrating. Rather that some broke out of the high-tech prison, outsmarted their captors. If they were smart, they would have broken out into that nice neighbouring Egypt , rather than going into that nasty apartheid racist Israeli state :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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