Harvey Weinstein's 2020 rape conviction overturned

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Disgraced Hollywood figure Harvey Weinstein's 2020 rape conviction in New York has been overturned by the New York Court of Appeals, citing a lack of fair trial due to the inclusion of witnesses whose accusations were not part of the charges against him.

 

The court's ruling, reached by a narrow 4-3 margin, emphasized that the admission of testimony regarding uncharged prior sexual acts and the manner in which Weinstein was cross-examined were highly prejudicial and unfair. Consequently, the court ordered a new trial for Weinstein, despite his ongoing imprisonment.

 

Weinstein's lawyer, Arthur Aidala, lauded the decision as a triumph for the legal system, emphasizing the importance of applying the law fairly to all individuals, regardless of their societal standing or public perception. He framed the ruling as a victory not only for Weinstein but for every criminal defendant in the state of New York.

 

However, dissenting opinions within the court expressed concern that the decision could undermine the progress made by survivors of sexual violence within the criminal justice system. They lamented that the ruling could potentially deter victims from coming forward and seeking justice.

 

The accusations against Weinstein, which first emerged in 2017, played a pivotal role in sparking the #MeToo movement, which brought to light widespread sexual abuse and misconduct within the entertainment industry and beyond. Weinstein faced multiple trials, resulting in convictions in both New York and California.

 

While Weinstein's New York conviction has been overturned, his conviction in California remains unaffected by the appeal decision. Additionally, Weinstein faces charges of indecent assault in the United Kingdom, highlighting the widespread legal repercussions he continues to face.

 

The decision to retry Weinstein in New York now lies with Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who has vowed to pursue justice for sexual assault survivors. However, the prospect of enduring another trial has been described as "gruelling and retraumatising" for Weinstein's accusers, highlighting the emotional toll of seeking accountability in such cases.

 

Despite the setback of the overturned conviction, advocates for survivors, including The Silence Breakers, remain steadfast in their commitment to fighting for justice. They view the decision as a setback but are determined to continue advocating for change and supporting survivors of sexual violence.

 

Weinstein, once a powerful figure in Hollywood, co-founded the Miramax film studio, responsible for numerous acclaimed films. However, his legacy has been overshadowed by the multitude of allegations against him, leading to his downfall and legal battles that continue to unfold.

 

2024-04-25

 

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[spidermike007]

Seems as if his legal team has been working overtime. Justice can be easily subverted in America, with enough money to work the system. 

 

Thankfully, his other convictions still stand. This guy is a pig. He had enough money and power to get all the action he needed. He just got off on preying on women who had no interest in getting with him. Hoping he dies in prison and never sees the light of day. He deserves that. 

[jerrymahoney]

The ruing by the top NY State Supreme Court said (in simple terms) evidence was admitted against Weinstein which shouldn't have been admitted.

 

That seems to often be a key component of appeals including some underway in other cases.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Social Media said:

Disgraced Hollywood figure Harvey Weinstein's 2020 rape conviction in New York has been overturned by the New York Court of Appeals, citing a lack of fair trial due to the inclusion of witnesses whose accusations were not part of the charges against him.

Trust the prosecution to make a mess of what should have been a slam dunk conviction. Do they take special classes in how not to conduct a proper prosecution, or are they just incompetent?

[Chomper Higgot]

51 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The ruing by the top NY State Supreme Court said (in simple terms) evidence was admitted against Weinstein which shouldn't have been admitted.

 

That seems to often be a key component of appeals including some underway in other cases.

Absolutely correct.

 

I hear tell of an incident today in which a document was presented in court that had absolutely no relevance to the case being argued.

 

If the judge is in the ball he’ll direct to jury to ignore the document and the submitting attorney’s statements relating to the document.

 

A judge who’s on the ball can avoid opportunities for spurious claims of false evidence.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Seems as if his legal team has been working overtime. Justice can be easily subverted in America, with enough money to work the system. 

 

Thankfully, his other convictions still stand. This guy is a pig. He had enough money and power to get all the action he needed. He just got off on preying on women who had no interest in getting with him. Hoping he dies in prison and never sees the light of day. He deserves that. 

I never took much notice of the trial as it seemed like a bunch of women that had colluded to have sex with him in return for favourable treatment in movies ( as has happened since entertainment became an industry ) changing their minds and complaining ( as has happened for decades ) that he forced them.

 

Perhaps he did get off more by forcing them; I don't know as I wasn't in the room, but I do know that any man that has fame and or power has zero problems finding women only too keen to have sex with them.

[JonnyF]

I suspect he will be found guilty in the retrial as well. Too much evidence.

 

What an idiot. All that money and power, he could have had rooms full of high class escorts prepared to do whatever he liked. I suspect he enjoyed the thrill of "getting away with it" and the power of forcing women to 'perform' for their roles. 

 

While I'm sure some of the women were prepared to give it up for the sake of their careers, it doesn't change the fact that he is a disgusting individual.

[observer90210]

Maybe they were not sure if he knew or had more to sneak out then Epstein ? If every such pig were to be jailed, most of the high-end swanky golf clubs  in the US, UK and other trendy destinations,  would plainly shut down.

[spidermike007]

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I never took much notice of the trial as it seemed like a bunch of women that had colluded to have sex with him in return for favourable treatment in movies ( as has happened since entertainment became an industry ) changing their minds and complaining ( as has happened for decades ) that he forced them.

 

Perhaps he did get off more by forcing them; I don't know as I wasn't in the room, but I do know that any man that has fame and or power has zero problems finding women only too keen to have sex with them.

Spot on. And that is exactly what made his crimes and behavior so obnoxious. He wanted those he couldn't have. A true sicko. 

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I suspect he will be found guilty in the retrial as well. Too much evidence.

 

What an idiot. All that money and power, he could have had rooms full of high class escorts prepared to do whatever he liked. I suspect he enjoyed the thrill of "getting away with it" and the power of forcing women to 'perform' for their roles. 

 

While I'm sure some of the women were prepared to give it up for the sake of their careers, it doesn't change the fact that he is a disgusting individual.

I don't disagree with your opinion of him, but IMO if every disgusting individual in places of power in the entertainment, financial, and political systems worldwide were convicted they would have to build about a million new prisons to keep them in.

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't disagree with your opinion of him, but IMO if every disgusting individual in places of power in the entertainment, financial, and political systems worldwide were convicted they would have to build about a million new prisons to keep them in.

 

Yep. Ricky Gervais (legend) only just scratched the surface when he ripped the stars to shreds at the Golden Globes, including a dig at those who turned a blind eye to Weinstein's offenses. 

 

 

Perhaps part of the conviction process could be seizing their funds and using the money to fund prisons?

 

Let's hope they do that before Diddy is convicted. That dude is loaded. 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't disagree with your opinion of him, but IMO if every disgusting individual in places of power in the entertainment, financial, and political systems worldwide were convicted they would have to build about a million new prisons to keep them in.

To house all those disgusting people in places of power in the entertainment, financial and political system.

 

Help me out, I’m not seeing a downside.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I never took much notice of the trial as it seemed like a bunch of women that had colluded to have sex with him in return for favourable treatment in movies ( as has happened since entertainment became an industry ) changing their minds and complaining ( as has happened for decades ) that he forced them.

 

Perhaps he did get off more by forcing them; I don't know as I wasn't in the room, but I do know that any man that has fame and or power has zero problems finding women only too keen to have sex with them.

IMO for every 6 or so that he accepted their offers, he also pushed another 1-2 to do it or else they are out.  It was a common thing done and it was often exploitation by both. But his demise was inevitable in the long run, because the modern rule for men is simple - if you accept 'favours' from women for your favours, there will be some that will come back and bite you later.  The reality is that women are crazy (lies become the truth), and men are stupid (anything for puss....).

[john donson]

how come he did not get the epstein treatment ?

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, john donson said:

how come he did not get the epstein treatment ?

 

Weinstein acted alone.

 

Epstein involved many powerful people in his crimes. He thought having dirt on them would protect him. In reality, the opposite was true.   

[bamnutsak]

It sounds like he will be transferred to the California Corrections Department to continue serving his 16-year sentence there for rape.

 

Beats upstate NY (Rome).

 

Not sure this NY reversal will impact his California conviction as the rules of evidence in rape cases is different.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-25/is-harvey-weinsteins-california-conviction-in-jeopardy-after-new-york-appeals-ruling

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, john donson said:

how come he did not get the epstein treatment ?

He didn't have blackmail evidence against the people that run the country.

[Sydebolle]

They seem to know the culture of the envelopes as well ..... Or did the Thais learn it from Khun Amelica? 

[retarius]

Marvellous news. Set him free immediately to sexually harass the Palestinians in Gaza. Or they could have him replace Trump for the Republican Party....

[GanDoonToonPet]

If you take Weinstein out of the equation this is a victory for due process.

 

Allegations of crimes for which the defendant is not on trial for, and has not even been charged with, should never be allowed into evidence. Neither should the defendant be questioned about these allegations under cross-examination; this is tantamount to nothing more than a witch hunt.

 

It seems to be the same with Trump in that people think someone is guilty not because of what they did but who they are.

[BigBruv]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

He didn't have blackmail evidence against the people that run the country.

 

Maybe his 'associates' do hence he's now free.

I'd argue that WeinStein (and the rest of hollyweird, netflix etc) are part of the degeneration/subversion (of the public/NPCs) operation of a certain group whereas epStien dealt with the compromat of the political and corporate class for the same group.

 

Would also point out that very very very feew people know 'the fate [of] epstien' as the cameras on/in his cell mysteriously stopped working and both of the guards fell asleep at the time of whatever happened happened.

 

 

Edited April 26 by BigBruv

[arithai12]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Seems as if his legal team has been working overtime. Justice can be easily subverted in America, with enough money to work the system. 

 

Thankfully, his other convictions still stand. This guy is a pig. He had enough money and power to get all the action he needed. He just got off on preying on women who had no interest in getting with him. Hoping he dies in prison and never sees the light of day. He deserves that. 

The man is a pig, agree. He forced himself on many non-willing women, yes or very likely. And I agree with your conclusion. But don't generalize too quickly. There were also women who knew that their only talent in the film industry was their body, and accepted his offers, some for rather long periods. What the romans called "Quid pro quo". I have one particular actress in mind, who by her own account disclosed that there was no forced sex but rather consensual, carried on for years. Finally when even her body was not a hot currency anymore she jumped ship and was a leader of the metoo movement.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, arithai12 said:

The man is a pig, agree. He forced himself on many non-willing women, yes or very likely. And I agree with your conclusion. But don't generalize too quickly. There were also women who knew that their only talent in the film industry was their body, and accepted his offers, some for rather long periods. What the romans called "Quid pro quo". I have one particular actress in mind, who by her own account disclosed that there was no forced sex but rather consensual, carried on for years. Finally when even her body was not a hot currency anymore she jumped ship and was a leader of the metoo movement.

 

I completely agree, a lot of women use their body as a instrument of currency, and a way to manipulate men, no question about that. That happens all over the world and it's been happening since the beginning of time, more than likely.

 

But that doesn't excuse his behavior, when a man is in a position where he can have 90% of the women who come along, he becomes an animal if he insists on having the other 10%. 

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, BigBruv said:

 

Maybe his 'associates' do hence he's now free.

I'd argue that WeinStein (and the rest of hollyweird, netflix etc) are part of the degeneration/subversion (of the public/NPCs) operation of a certain group whereas epStien dealt with the compromat of the political and corporate class for the same group.

 

Would also point out that very very very feew people know 'the fate [of] epstien' as the cameras on/in his cell mysteriously stopped working and both of the guards fell asleep at the time of whatever happened happened.

 

 

He is not free.

[AreYouGerman]

A good day for all normal men and heterosexual relationships.

[josephbloggs]

16 minutes ago, AreYouGerman said:

A good day for all normal men and heterosexual relationships.

What???

[JonnyF]

7 hours ago, AreYouGerman said:

A good day for all normal men and heterosexual relationships.

This thread is about Weinstein, not Diddy.

[retarius]

On 4/26/2024 at 7:56 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Trust the prosecution to make a mess of what should have been a slam dunk conviction. Do they take special classes in how not to conduct a proper prosecution, or are they just incompetent?

Bit like the prosecutor in the OJ trial....Marcia Someone....spent two weeks trying to establish that he was a serial wife beater, and as one of the jurors said afterwards, 'even if he was a wife beater, it don't make him no murderer'. 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, retarius said:

Bit like the prosecutor in the OJ trial....Marcia Someone....spent two weeks trying to establish that he was a serial wife beater, and as one of the jurors said afterwards, 'even if he was a wife beater, it don't make him no murderer'. 

 

  I disagree, even if he was a wife beater, that wouldn't mean that he was a murderer .

It does make him no murderer, rather it doesn't make him no murderer

[mogandave]

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