When can someone withdraw money out of the 800k deposit after a retirement extension ?

[Barry864]

Hi guys,

A couple of months ago I got a 1 year retirement extension from the Jomtien Immigration office. I heard that for at least 3 months after that,  this deposit needs to be left untouched. Is that true ? I have an urgent need to temporarily withdraw half of that money for a car purchase before this 3-month perriod expires and will deposit it back on time, ie more than 2 months before my next application. Can I do that safely or would that affect my current immigration status ? Thanks in advance for your responses.

[Pattaya57]

12 minutes ago, Barry864 said:

Hi guys,

A couple of months ago I got a 1 year retirement extension from the Jomtien Immigration office. I heard that for at least 3 months after that,  this deposit needs to be left untouched. Is that true ? I have an urgent need to temporarily withdraw half of that money for a car purchase before this 3-month perriod expires and will deposit it back on time, ie more than 2 months before my next application. Can I do that safely or would that affect my current immigration status ? Thanks in advance for your responses.

Rules related to initial application or extension are:

 

(1) 800k 2 months prior to application

 

(2) 800k for 3 months after issuance of 12 month stamp

 

(3) 400k minimum until item (4), so for 7 months

 

(4) 800k for 2 months prior to next application

[Barry864]

4 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

Rules related to initial application or extension are:

 

(1) 800k 2 months prior to application

 

(2) 800k for 3 months after issuance of 12 month stamp

 

(3) 400k minimum until item (4), so for 7 months

 

(4) 800k for 2 months prior to next application

So what happens if you break rules 2 or 3 ? They reject your next application ?

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, Barry864 said:

So what happens if you break rules 2 or 3 ? They reject your next application ?

Yes.

[Barry864]

12 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes.

How about if you use the services of an agent after doing that ?

[DrJack54]

Just now, Barry864 said:

How about if you use the services of an agent after doing that ?

No problem. Where are you located

[Barry864]

Pattaya

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

No problem. Where are you located

Pattaya

[Pattaya57]

10 minutes ago, Barry864 said:

How about if you use the services of an agent after doing that ?

My Mate did the same thing by dropping below 800k in month 2 and below 400k after that. He put 800k back in 2 months before appliation and paid an agent in Pattaya 12,500 to renew next time, no problem

 

Edited June 10 by Pattaya57

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, Barry864 said:

Pattaya

Have a chat with Maneerat Soi 13/1.

They use LINE or just drop in.

 

Many agents in Pattaya you can use one to check your options

[Pattaya57]

34 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Have a chat with Maneerat Soi 13/1.

They use LINE or just drop in.

Typo, Maneerat is on soi 13/2

Edited June 10 by Pattaya57

[spidermike007]

Yes 3 months is the correct answer, however it's convenient to know that nearly every immigration office in the country will provide fake bank statements for a fee. A couple of years ago mine dropped below 400k for a very brief period, and I paid the agent in the office 10,000 baht, and I got my visa. You don't need an outside agent they now do it right on the spot in the office. 

[Vibora99]

buy the car and don't have any problems, (and if you have any, your renewal is resolved with 7000 baths)

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, Vibora99 said:

buy the car and don't have any problems, (and if you have any, your renewal is resolved with 7000 baths)

And name of this immigration office?

If the OP obtains an extension (retirement )without the financials he would require an agent and 7k won't go close. 

[john donson]

nice rule, but all those dudes using an agent and the rules don't apply for them...

[Issanraider]

Could someone please clarify on this point?

if I transfer about 1.2 million baht from my UK bank to my Siam Commercial bank savings (atm) account pending my planned retirement in Thailand at the end of August, can I withdraw any money from that account upon my arrival provided I leave at least 800k in that account for the purpose of applying for my extension of stay or does the full amount in that account have to remain untouched before I apply for the extension of stay?

Also upon my arrival can I transfer 800k to a deposit account for say one month before my application on the basis that I can show that the required amount has been deposited for 2 months albeit in 2 different accounts?

 I would appreciate any help on this point.

[DrJack54]

40 minutes ago, Issanraider said:

can I withdraw any money from that account upon my arrival provided I leave at least 800k in that account for the purpose of applying for my extension of stay or does the full amount in that account have to remain untouched before I apply for the extension of stay?

You can use funds from that account as long as remain above 800k for two months prior to application for extension..

 

42 minutes ago, Issanraider said:

Also upon my arrival can I transfer 800k to a deposit account for say one month before my application on the basis that I can show that the required amount has been deposited for 2 months albeit in 2 different accounts?

Don't follow why you require another 800k however yes the funds can be in two different accounts. 

The financial requirements at outlined earlier in the thread.

Where are you obtaining the non O (retirement) 

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, Issanraider said:

Also upon my arrival can I transfer 800k to a deposit account for say one month before my application on the basis that I can show that the required amount has been deposited for 2 months albeit in 2 different accounts?

 I would appreciate any help on this point.

When I first retired to Thailand, I transferred 1.2 million to my Bangkok Bank Savings account.

I then opened a 12-month Fixed term deposit account and transferred 800K of the 1.2M to that account for Immigration purposes.

Using the Savings account for daily living expenses, bills.

 

Many choose to leave the 800/400K in an FCD account throughout the year.

An FCD account does not have a debit card.

[Issanraider]

5 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You can use funds from that account as long as remain above 800k for two months prior to application for extension..

 

Don't follow why you require another 800k however yes the funds can be in two different accounts. 

The financial requirements at outlined earlier in the thread.

Where are you obtaining the non O (retirement) 

 

[Issanraider]

I am planning to arrive in Thailand with the (hopefully) 60 day visa on arrival and then apply at Khon Kaen immigration office for my non O

Is that the correct procedure or should I be doing something different?

[G_Money]

Personally I prefer the 65k baht or more transfer every month into my Thai bank account method.  

Kasikorn issues me the letter every year for my retirement extension based on my original OA visa.

 

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, Issanraider said:

I am planning to arrive in Thailand with the (hopefully) 60 day visa on arrival and then apply at Khon Kaen immigration office for my non O

Is that the correct procedure or should I be doing something different?

That will work.

Here is thread that explains the process. Also contains links.

Do you have Thai bank account in your name only? 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1311886-visa-exempt-to-retirement-extension-process-and-cost/

 

[Issanraider]

Yes I have a savings account and a deposit account with SCB which I have had for over 20 years now, both in my sole name.

Thank you for your help on this 👍

[Liquorice]

4 hours ago, Issanraider said:

I am planning to arrive in Thailand with the (hopefully) 60 day visa on arrival and then apply at Khon Kaen immigration office for my non O

Is that the correct procedure or should I be doing something different?

It's a visa exempt entry (without any visa).

 

Procedure for applying for the Non O at Immigration based on retirement.

VE-TV to Non O Retirement.pdf 

Entering VE you'll need to complete form TM87 for the Non O application.

TM-87-Application for Visa from Visa Exempt.pdf 

 

[khlongtoey]

so , does one have to provide proof that the 800k THB came "from outside the country" each and every year, they go to do the Extension of Stay?

 

II - can the 800k just season year round, in a separate account , from one's regular account?  Or must there be activity , monthly activity in the account where only the 800k stays untouched year round?

 

III- if arriving on a 60 or 30day TR, does the 800k not have to season before going for the Non O ?  or maybe its only for the Extension the 800k?

[DrJack54]

10 minutes ago, khlongtoey said:

so , does one have to provide proof that the 800k THB came "from outside the country" each and every year, they go to do the Extension of Stay?

 

II - can the 800k just season year round, in a separate account , from one's regular account?  Or must there be activity , monthly activity in the account where only the 800k stays untouched year round?

 

III- if arriving on a 60 or 30day TR, does the 800k not have to season before going for the Non O ?  or maybe its only for the Extension the 800k?

Application for a non O visa requires proof money from abroad.

Money in bank for extensions does not need to be shown came from abroad.

Yes you can use two bank accounts.

There needs to be activity every month at some offices. OR

Provide 12 months of bank statements. OR

You use an FD account

 

Application for non O in Thailand from visa exempt or tourist visa only needs to be in bank on day of application. 

[Liquorice]

42 minutes ago, khlongtoey said:

so , does one have to provide proof that the 800k THB came "from outside the country" each and every year, they go to do the Extension of Stay?

 

II - can the 800k just season year round, in a separate account , from one's regular account?  Or must there be activity , monthly activity in the account where only the 800k stays untouched year round?

 

III- if arriving on a 60 or 30day TR, does the 800k not have to season before going for the Non O ?  or maybe its only for the Extension the 800k?

If using the funds in the bank method, then you may be required to show the funds came from overseas only in your first encounter with Immigration.

I entered on a Non Imm O, but required to provide proof the funds came from overseas for my first extension application.

 

II - Yes. I have a fixed term deposit account with funds deposited solely for the purpose of Immigration. The only activity in that account is interest paid and tax deducted. I then have a Savings account for daily living expenses. At extension renewal time, I update both passbooks and request the bank to list both accounts on the standard letter. Not that Immigration has ever questioned my stationary FTD account, I just provide evidence of an additional account used for expenses.

 

III - For Non O the funds are only required in the bank on the day of application (Jomtien exempt).
      Funds required in the bank for 2 months prior to submitting a 1-year extension application.

[khlongtoey]

hmm, I thought the Non Imm O, wasn't something that can be done outside the country, as I hear many stories of arriving  visa-exempt and converting to Non-imm O ?

 

 

[DrJack54]

16 minutes ago, khlongtoey said:

hmm, I thought the Non Imm O, wasn't something that can be done outside the country, as I hear many stories of arriving  visa-exempt and converting to Non-imm O ?

 

 

A non O can be obtained in your own country (depending on country) also at Thai consulate/embassies.

Can also be obtained in Thailand from visa exempt and tourist visa entry. 

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, khlongtoey said:

hmm, I thought the Non Imm O, wasn't something that can be done outside the country, as I hear many stories of arriving  visa-exempt and converting to Non-imm O ?

 

 

The Non O can be applied for at Thai Embassies/Consulates to enter Thailand for a number of reasons.

The 'O' stands for 'Other', meaning it's issued under item 15 of section 34 of the Immigration Act as one of the many reasons for entering Thailand.

 

Section 34 : aliens entering into the kingdom for a temporary stay may enter for the below listed activities
1. Diplomatic or Consular Missions.
2. Performance of official duties.
3. Touring
4. Sporting
5. Business
6. Investing under the concurrence of the Ministries and Departments concerned.
7. Investing or other activities relating to investing subject to the provisions of the law on
investment promotion.
8. Transit journey.
9. Being the person in charge of the crew of a conveyance coming to port, station , or area in
the Kingdom.
10. Study or observation.
11. Mass media.
12. Missionary work under the concurrence of the Ministries and departments concerned.
13. Scientific research or training or teach in a Research Institute in the Kingdom.
14. The practice of skilled handicraft or as a specialist
15. Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations.

 

The Non O can be issued for many reasons identified as 'other', such as;

https://washingtondc.thaiembassy.org/en/page/visa-fees-validity?menu=64ef5ba41986b07d37326263

 

O	Diplomat’s housekeeper	80	N/A	90 days
O	Medical treatment (longer than 60 days)	80	N/A	90 days
O	Retirement (pensioner aged 50 or above with a state pension who wishes to stay in Thailand for no longer than 90 days)	80	N/A	90 days
O	Thai nationals who have abandoned their Thai citizenship	80	N/A	90 days
O	To be a contestant or a witness for the judicial process	80	200	90 days (S) 1 year (M)
O	To stay with non-Thai family residing in Thailand (more than 60 days)	80	N/A	90 days
O	To stay with Thai family residing in Thailand (more than 60 days)	80	N/A	90 days
O	Voluntary work with NGO/Charity/Association (without salary)	80	N/A	90 days

[yabbra]

On 6/13/2024 at 9:23 AM, DrJack54 said:

Application for a non O visa requires proof money from abroad.

Money in bank for extensions does not need to be shown came from abroad.

Yes you can use two bank accounts.

There needs to be activity every month at some offices. OR

Provide 12 months of bank statements. OR

You use an FD account

 

Application for non O in Thailand from visa exempt or tourist visa only needs to be in bank on day of application. 

 

How about if you've worked in Thailand for a while beforehand & the 800k funds have been earned here, sitting in a local bank account for a number of years with no overseas transfer.

In this case is your only option to apply for the Non 0 visa out of country?