Should "Ethnic Minority" be Replaced with "Global Majority"?

[BigStar]

Uh oh. Who woulda thought?

 

Good times for slightly older CPUs are coming to an end. . . . Though this was found in the Canary Build, this will likely trickle down to future releases and be implemented for all systems once updated. . . . While there are other installation methods, it's simply a matter of time before Microsoft patches these bypasses. In this situation, users can switch to older Windows 10 with supported builds, shift to Linux, or make a hardware upgrade.

     --https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/microsoft-patches-tpm-20-bypass-to-prevent-windows-11-installs-on-pcs-with-unsupported-cpus

[howto]

Seems another compelling reason to ditch WinBloze on new hardware. 

Guess run a Linux ver, and then a older ver of Win in a VM. 

 

 

 

[KhunHeineken]

On 8/21/2024 at 12:54 AM, BigStar said:

Uh oh. Who woulda thought?

 

Good times for slightly older CPUs are coming to an end. . . . Though this was found in the Canary Build, this will likely trickle down to future releases and be implemented for all systems once updated. . . . While there are other installation methods, it's simply a matter of time before Microsoft patches these bypasses. In this situation, users can switch to older Windows 10 with supported builds, shift to Linux, or make a hardware upgrade.

     --https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/microsoft-patches-tpm-20-bypass-to-prevent-windows-11-installs-on-pcs-with-unsupported-cpus

Are they still allowing machines with TPM 1.2 to upgrade to Windows 11? 

[KhunHeineken]

Many members have posted their Windows 11 upgrade on unsupported hardware installed fine, and is working fine, and they are receiving security updates.

 

It appears Microsoft have more patching to do.   

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Many members have posted their Windows 11 upgrade on unsupported hardware installed fine, and is working fine, and they are receiving security updates.

 

It appears Microsoft have more patching to do.   

 

Which members installed or upgraded to Win 11 24H2 bypassing TPM and with an unsupported CPU?

 

[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Which members installed or upgraded to Win 11 24H2 bypassing TPM and with an unsupported CPU?

 

Me!

[BigStar]

Just glancing around on the 'net, the bypass now seems hit-or-miss w/ 24H2. Some insist that as long as your CPU supports SSE4.2, the old bypass will work; if not, then that loophole's gone.

 

 

If not, it may install and run until you reboot.

 

Another user says:

 

The Rufus bypass method no longer works, at least for me on my 2018 hardware. The options to bypass are still there in Rufus, however, 24H2 forces the use of BitLocker, which absolutely requires TPM. Therefore, I cannot update 23H2 using USB Flash Drive or an .ISO file using the many methods we've been using the past few years to get Win11 installed on slightly older hardware.

 

Some claim no problems, others insist that now various other hoops need to be jumped. Rufus, still actively supported, may update for more workaround. There's a discussion here (among many):

 

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/how-do-i-get-around-this-issue-to-install-24h2.29134/

 

Seems M'soft did get stricter, but hasn't really dropped the hammer yet.

 

YMMV. If I run across further news, I'll pass it along.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:23 PM by BigStar

[NowNow]

32 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Just glancing around on the 'net, the bypass now seems hit-or-miss w/ 24H2. Some insist that as long as your CPU supports SSE4.2, the old bypass will work; if not, then that loophole's gone.

 

 

If not, it may install and run until you reboot.

 

Another user says:

 

The Rufus bypass method no longer works, at least for me on my 2018 hardware. The options to bypass are still there in Rufus, however, 24H2 forces the use of BitLocker, which absolutely requires TPM. Therefore, I cannot update 23H2 using USB Flash Drive or an .ISO file using the many methods we've been using the past few years to get Win11 installed on slightly older hardware.

 

Some claim no problems, others insist that now various other hoops need to be jumped. Rufus, still actively supported, may update for more workaround. There's a discussion here (among many):

 

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/how-do-i-get-around-this-issue-to-install-24h2.29134/

 

Seems M'soft did get stricter, but hasn't really dropped the hammer yet.

 

YMMV. If I run across further news, I'll pass it along.

 

 

No. Your source and news is outdated. I already wrote about this earlier. They were using an older version of Rufus that needed to be updated. In the meantime the developer released a script that you could apply manually and then released 4.6 Beta. 4.6 Stable was released today.

[BigStar]

15 hours ago, NowNow said:

 

No. Your source and news is outdated. I already wrote about this earlier. They were using an older version of Rufus that needed to be updated. In the meantime the developer released a script that you could apply manually and then released 4.6 Beta. 4.6 Stable was released today.

 

Nobody's looking for a Rufus script. The fact that one is needed verifies that M'soft has tightened things up. I ran across a "failed 24H2" thread in which the Rufus developer jumped in and showed concern. So I figured he'd see if he couldn't come up w/ another workaround, as implied in my post. So he did. I see on today's freeware lists that 4.6 is out, so I looked at the changelog:

 

 

 

 

Version 4.6 (2024.10.21)

    Add a new setup.exe wrapper to bypass Windows 11 24H2 in-place upgrade restrictions
    Add TimeZone to regional options replication
    Set local account passwords to not expire by default
    Fix an error when trying to write compressed VHD images
    Fix an error when invoking Rufus from the PowerShell commandline
    Improve revoked UEFI bootloaders check to support Linux SBAT, Windows SVN and cert DBX
    Improve support for ReactOS boot media

 

Which sounds good. We'll see how it goes down w/ the vast numbers of Win users w/ older hardware.

 

[NowNow]

2 hours ago, BigStar said:

 

Nobody's looking for a Rufus script. The fact that one is needed verifies that M'soft has tightened things up. I ran across a "failed 24H2" thread in which the Rufus developer jumped in and showed concern. So I figured he'd see if he couldn't come up w/ another workaround, as implied in my post. So he did. I see on today's freeware lists that 4.6 is out, so I looked at the changelog:

 

 

 

 

Version 4.6 (2024.10.21)

    Add a new setup.exe wrapper to bypass Windows 11 24H2 in-place upgrade restrictions
    Add TimeZone to regional options replication
    Set local account passwords to not expire by default
    Fix an error when trying to write compressed VHD images
    Fix an error when invoking Rufus from the PowerShell commandline
    Improve revoked UEFI bootloaders check to support Linux SBAT, Windows SVN and cert DBX
    Improve support for ReactOS boot media

 

Which sounds good. We'll see how it goes down w/ the vast numbers of Win users w/ older hardware.

 

 

What you don't seem to grasp is that Microsoft themselves provide these workarounds. It's just that the average user, like yourself, prefers an 'all-in-one' option and Rufus is it.

 

The person behind your link tried Rufus 4.5, which came out in May. If you/they checked his website, as opposed to some freeware list, they would have succeeded and you might have been able to post up to date info, instead of your frequent scaremongering.

 

 

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, NowNow said:

What you don't seem to grasp is that Microsoft themselves provide these workarounds.

 

What you don't seem to grasp is that I don't need to grasp that and don't really care anyway. Merely a gratuitous self-serving assumption on your part.

 

2 hours ago, NowNow said:

It's just that the average user, like yourself, prefers an 'all-in-one' option and Rufus is it.

 

LOL. Average users are whom I'm addressing here. Me, I'll regedit, patch, or HxD as needed. Haven't used Rufus in many years; it's come far. I mostly use Ventoy or Etcher lately when dealing w/ ISOs. It's only self-appointed little forum gurus such as yourself who need cluelessly to dream up fantasies about what I need or prefer.

 

2 hours ago, NowNow said:

The person behind your link tried Rufus 4.5, which came out in May. If you/they checked his website, as opposed to some freeware list, they would have succeeded

 

Average users aren't going to check the Rufus website, nor would users here. Nor would I make a point of it, actually, as I have no personal interest in installing Win 11. If I did I wouldn't need Rufus. You yourself could have researched the topic long before I did and given the latest info that you found, but you didn't; merely waited to jump in and bicker as usual.

 

2 hours ago, NowNow said:

they would have succeeded and you might have been able to post up to date info,

 

But they didn't succeed. No further info about that user exists, to my knowledge, and so it's as up-to-date as it gets. If you know him, then you may ask for today's status.

 

As I noted, a variety of outcomes exist with 24H2, and I linked to a discussion thread, one of many. Whether the latest Rufus solves everyone's problems, I dunno. I don't think that's really known yet, except perhaps to you. 😉

 

2 hours ago, NowNow said:

instead of your frequent scaremongering.

 

Yawn. Occasionally reporting accurate info I happen to run across that respected sources have just reported to their users (not scaremongering), and suggesting a possible head-up here, isn't in the least scaremongering, as you need to imagine. I'll continue to do so as I wish. Now I do think it's probably wise of anyone who attempts to workaround product requirements or use hacks to not be too smug about the future, but it's really up to him, you see.

 

So, sympathizing with inferiority complex driving the incorrigible bickerer towards the biggest e-penis, I leave you to enjoy bickering over each of my replies and then even bickering with your own bickers, as I'm not getting into another of your fests.  

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by BigStar

[NowNow]

19 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

What you don't seem to grasp is that I don't need to grasp that and don't really care anyway. Merely a gratuitous self-serving assumption on your part.

 

 

LOL. Average users are whom I'm addressing here. Me, I'll regedit, patch, or HxD as needed. Haven't used Rufus in many years; it's come far. I mostly use Ventoy or Etcher lately when dealing w/ ISOs. It's only self-appointed little forum gurus such as yourself who need cluelessly to dream up fantasies about what I need or prefer.

 

 

Average users aren't going to check the Rufus website, nor would users here. Nor would I make a point of it, actually, as I have no personal interest in installing Win 11. If I did I wouldn't need Rufus. You yourself could have researched the topic long before I did and given the latest info that you found, but you didn't; merely waited to jump in and bicker as usual.

 

 

But they didn't succeed. No further info about that user exists, to my knowledge, and so it's as up-to-date as it gets. If you know him, then you may ask for today's status.

 

As I noted, a variety of outcomes exist with 24H2, and I linked to a discussion thread, one of many. Whether the latest Rufus solves everyone's problems, I dunno. I don't think that's really known yet, except perhaps to you. 😉

 

 

Yawn. Occasionally reporting info I happen to run across that respected sources have reported to their users (not scaremongering), and suggesting a possible head-up here, isn't in the least scaremongering, as you need to imagine. I'll continue to do so as I wish. Now I do think it's probably wise of anyone who attempts to workaround product requirements or use hacks to not be too smug about the future, but it's really up to him, you see.

 

So, sympathizing with inferiority complex driving the incorrigible bickerer towards the biggest e-penis, I leave you to enjoy bickering over each of my replies and then even bickering with your own bickers, as I'm not getting into another of your fests.  

 

 

 

 

You don't think that I'm going to read any of that, do you?

I wrote what I meant. If you have a problem with that, you are going to have to suck it up....buttercup. Not getting involved in your likely petulant ranting.

Edited 5 hours ago by NowNow

[BigStar]

2 minutes ago, NowNow said:

You don't think that I'm going to read any of that rubbish do you?

 

Glad you aren't, just more wasting space on your part. 'Course, if you don't read it, then you don't actually know if it's rubbish, except that the first few lines indicate it disagrees with you and therefore . . . 🤣 

 

5 minutes ago, NowNow said:

I wrote what I meant. If you have a problem with that, you are going to have to suck it up....buttercup.

 

All your usual childish attempts at superiority were a good laugh, but enough with the time-wasting.

 

10 minutes ago, NowNow said:

Not getting involved in your likely petulant ranting.

 

So you've learned that a bickerfest with me isn't going anywhere, good. Now you just need apply the same lesson to stop bickering with other members. 🙂  

 

 

[NowNow]

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

 

Glad you aren't, just more wasting space on your part. 'Course, if you don't read it, then you don't actually know if it's rubbish, except that the first few lines indicate it disagrees with you and therefore . . . 🤣 

 

 

All your usual childish attempts at superiority were a good laugh, but enough with the time-wasting.

 

 

So you've learned that a bickerfest with me isn't going anywhere, good. Now you just need apply the same lesson to stop bickering with other members. 🙂  

 

 

 

What on earth are you still ranting on about? I didn't read the first rant and I'm not going to read this one either.

I just see the end, as it's next to what I'm writing...something about bickering and a bickerfest, which is somewhat ironic, since it's you ranting on and on. 🙂 I'm simply refusing to engage with your hysteria. You are on your own with that.

 

[NowNow]

On 8/21/2024 at 1:54 AM, BigStar said:

Uh oh. Who woulda thought?

 

Good times for slightly older CPUs are coming to an end. . . . Though this was found in the Canary Build, this will likely trickle down to future releases and be implemented for all systems once updated. . . . While there are other installation methods, it's simply a matter of time before Microsoft patches these bypasses. In this situation, users can switch to older Windows 10 with supported builds, shift to Linux, or make a hardware upgrade.

     --https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/microsoft-patches-tpm-20-bypass-to-prevent-windows-11-installs-on-pcs-with-unsupported-cpus

 

 

Two months later and still not an issue....

[connda]

Microsoft patches TPM 2.0 bypass to prevent Windows 11 installs on PCs with unsupported CPU

Translated:

 

Microsoft loses a s**t-ton of potential customers who aren't going to go buy new computers just to meet Windows 11 minimum hardware requirements to run their bloatware OS.