Swiss Woman Killed in Attack by Algerian shouting "Allahu Akbar"

[Scouse123]

40 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

 

Not for those that actually respect the beautiful dress and culture of their host.

 

Notice you chose the dress with face coverings, popular with male conservatives, which previously wasn't very fashionable and Algerians preferred other forms of national dress.

 

Either way, it will do the government of Algeria no good with their tourism efforts, this recent attack by a fanatic in broad daylight in front of the Swiss woman's children.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[0ffshore360]

3 hours ago, radiochaser said:

Just because they live in America, does not make them Christian.   I seriously doubt that the high school attackers are going to or are members of any Christian church.   

Many high school students that participate in gang violence, are just that, members of gangs and some are already convicted criminals.    

 

"A Christian is someone who¹²³⁴:

• Believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.
• Has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
• Trusts in Jesus Christ for salvation.
• Seeks to follow Him in obedience.
• Hopes in Jesus Christ alone to save them from their sins and make them right with God."

Delusionals then ?

[newbee2022]

20 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Youi are simply using an excuse that is not valid.

 

Apples and Oranges.

 

American gun violence has nothing to do with sponsored terrorism, they are completely different.

You missed the point.

You are pointing at Muslim terrorists, which has nothing to do with religion, because Americans (Christians) killed their students in schools.

As you can see killing is independent from any religion.

Terrorism is not connected to any religion but to extremism 

[Nick Carter icp]

33 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You missed the point.

You are pointing at Muslim terrorists, which has nothing to do with religion, because Americans (Christians) killed their students in schools.

As you can see killing is independent from any religion.

Terrorism is not connected to any religion but to extremism 

 

   Although you don't often get terrorists shouting out "Buddha is the best" just before they kill innocent people .

   Its usually shouting out about Allah

[Nick Carter icp]

52 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You missed the point.

You are pointing at Muslim terrorists, which has nothing to do with religion,

 

   Its everything to do with Religion , if it wasn't for Religion, then they wouldn't terrorise 

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

You missed the point.

You are pointing at Muslim terrorists, which has nothing to do with religion, because Americans (Christians) killed their students in schools.

As you can see killing is independent from any religion.

Terrorism is not connected to any religion but to extremism 

 

 

Then why are all terrorist attacks related in one form or another, misguided or otherwise, linked to Islam?

[Scouse123]

4 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

No you are wrong again.

 Here is the quote below.

 

 

 

 

 

No,

 

I am not wrong.

 

There was quoted slightly over 48,000 terrorist attacks, NOT DEATHS, which I stated in my post.

[Scouse123]

Anybody on AN forum trying to pick holes and state that Islam isn't a violent religion, often repeated in their texts against so called infidels, is in denial, living under a rock or just plain dumb.

 

If only 10% are extremists, that's 200 million out of an estimated 2 Billion followers.

 

Every time we seem to have a terrorist attack, you can virtually guarantee it is Muslim extremists.

 

It's not Buddhists, Christians, Hindus or Sikhs, or bloody Hari Krishna, it's Muslims!

 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

53 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

No,

 

I am not wrong.

 

There was quoted slightly over 48,000 terrorist attacks, NOT DEATHS, which I stated in my post.

Nah, you are wrong.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Then why are all terrorist attacks related in one form or another, misguided or otherwise, linked to Islam?

They're not.

 

Have you forgotten IRA or Timothy McVeigh, as two examples.

[newbee2022]

2 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Then why are all terrorist attacks related in one form or another, misguided or otherwise, linked to Islam?

There are not. 

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

They're not.

 

Have you forgotten IRA or Timothy McVeigh, as two examples.

 

Last 25 years or so ago since anything from the IRA!!

 

And that was a domestic dispute, that is hopefully getting resolved slowly.

 

You may as well talk about Kashmir!

 

ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS ONGOING AND SNOWBALLING.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Nah, you are wrong.

 

Ah well,

 

Oh, no I'm not, has pantomime season started already.

[Evil Penevil]

 

 

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Have you forgotten IRA or Timothy McVeigh, as two examples.

 

10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Yes, and in America Youngsters attack students in Highschools. They are Christians.

So, Christianity is violent ???

 

4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

You are pointing at Muslim terrorists, which has nothing to do with religion, because Americans (Christians) killed their students in schools.

 

The difference is the IRA didn't commit terrorist attacks in the name of the Pope or Catholic Church, nor did McVeigh or U.S. urban gang members invoke Martin Luther or Protestant denominations.  Muslim terrorists proclaim they attack in the name of Mohammad and Islam.  Virtually all Muslim terrorists, suicide bombers in paticular, are deeply observant Muslims. Don't forget Muslim martyrs are guaranteed entrance to Paradise and 72 virgins.  No other religion promises heavenly rewards to those who kill in its name.

 

Religion is the motivation for Muslim terrorism,  whereas terrorist attacks or other violence by people who are considered Christian occurs for reasons other than religion.

[BruceWayne]

On 10/28/2024 at 8:13 AM, JeffersLos said:

Mossad false flag operation. 

 

Always.

 

Very few understand the concept of crisis actors eg

crisiscast.com (for the UK - look at their client list ; )

 

Diversion tactics:

They get the excuse to bomb muzzies out of their homes and to assist in their shipment to europe.

 

Surprised more people can't take in the full picture. 

I guess it's to do with poor schooling, diet, alcohol and drugs and habitually repeating whjat 'news' casters spout.

 

Oh well

 

[newbee2022]

14 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

 

 

 

The difference is the IRA didn't commit terrorist attacks in the name of the Pope or Catholic Church, nor did McVeigh or U.S. urban gang members invoke Martin Luther or Protestant denominations.  Muslim terrorists proclaim they attack in the name of Mohammad and Islam.  Virtually all Muslim terrorists, suicide bombers in paticular, are deeply observant Muslims. Don't forget Muslim martyrs are guaranteed entrance to Paradise and 72 virgins.  No other religion promises heavenly rewards to those who kill in its name.

 

Religion is the motivation for Muslim terrorism,  whereas terrorist attacks or other violence by people who are considered Christian occurs for reasons other than religion.

You wish.....

Terrorism is religion free. It's just a misleaded kind of idea, which make them kill other people. Doesn't matter if you're Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Atheist. Terrorism has no name. But you and many other have prejudices and follow stereotypes like mantras published in mainstream media. End of conversation.

 

 

 

[john donson]

do they still threat thieves and murderers with a real punishment overthere ?  finger doctor or hangman ?

[youreavinalaff]

7 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Last 25 years or so ago since anything from the IRA!!

 

And that was a domestic dispute, that is hopefully getting resolved slowly.

 

You may as well talk about Kashmir!

 

ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS ONGOING AND SNOWBALLING.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not all terrorist attacks are linked to Islam. That's the point. You said they are. You are wrong.

 

As for 25 years since anything from IRA, I guess you've given up with MSM.

[youreavinalaff]

7 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

 

 

 

The difference is the IRA didn't commit terrorist attacks in the name of the Pope or Catholic Church, nor did McVeigh or U.S. urban gang members invoke Martin Luther or Protestant denominations.  Muslim terrorists proclaim they attack in the name of Mohammad and Islam.  Virtually all Muslim terrorists, suicide bombers in paticular, are deeply observant Muslims. Don't forget Muslim martyrs are guaranteed entrance to Paradise and 72 virgins.  No other religion promises heavenly rewards to those who kill in its name.

 

Religion is the motivation for Muslim terrorism,  whereas terrorist attacks or other violence by people who are considered Christian occurs for reasons other than religion.

You've been seriously misguided. IRA not attacking for Catholicism? 555.

 

72 virgins? No. That's a mistranslation.

 

Anyway, I was responding to a comment that suggested all terrorism is linked to Islam. It appears you agree with that.

 

Thanks.

[Scouse123]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Not all terrorist attacks are linked to Islam. That's the point. You said they are. You are wrong.

 

As for 25 years since anything from IRA, I guess you've given up with MSM.

 

 

OK, split hairs all you want if you think it boosts your presence here.

 

I'll correct it.

 

The overall vast majority of international terrorist attacks are the direct work of Radical Muslims, Muslim fundamentalists, ISIS, ISAL,HAMAS, Hezbollah, and many more, and these vile acts are committed by those who profess allegiance to these organizations. 

 

The reasons we undergo such strict security at airports and in our daily lives is a direct result of the actions taken by these people.

 

 

 

 

 

[candide]

On 10/28/2024 at 3:20 PM, Scouse123 said:

I fancy going to Algeria for a holiday about as much as I would going to Afghanistan.

You obviously have no idea of this country!

Algerian people are actually quite friendly and welcoming. They are also rather modern. Nothing to compare with Afghanistan, which is close to the Middle Ages  on several aspects.

[Evil Penevil]

 

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You've been seriously misguided. IRA not attacking for Catholicism? 555.

I'm not misguided at all.  I've never seen any suggestion that the IRA acted in the name of the Pope or Catholic Church.   With all its "splits," the IRA was basically a secular left-wing organization.  Some groups were straight-up Marxist and anti-religion.

 

Perhaps you can enlighten me.  Which IRA attack or campaign was made in the name of Catholicism?

 

 

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

72 virgins? No. That's a mistranslation.

 

It's not a mistranslation.  The Arabic term is houri (أحور), which is usually translated as "heavenly virgin," but other words like maiden, celestial wife, companion, etc. are also used.  Houris are promised in the Quran to Muslim males in Paradise, but the number 72 comes from a hadith, or saying of the Prophet Mohammad.

 

"The basis of this particular reward, with the number 72, is a hadith narrated in the Sunan of Imam Tirmidhi, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said:

“The martyr has six unique traits: he is forgiven immediately; he sees his seat in Paradise and he is saved from the punishment of the grave; he is granted safety from the great terror [of the Day of Judgment]; a crown of honor is placed upon his head, a ruby of which is better than this life and all it contains; he is married to 72 maidens of Paradise; and he is allowed to intercede for 70 relatives.”

 The quote comes from a Muslim Web site.  https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/31643/72-virgins-for-martyrs-making-sense-of-one-of-the-rewards-of-paradise/

 

While some Western professors argue about the meaning of houri, there's no doubt  many Muslims believe it deeply, as evidenced by this video from Palestine.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

OK, split hairs all you want if you think it boosts your presence here.

 

I'll correct it.

 

The overall vast majority of international terrorist attacks are the direct work of Radical Muslims, Muslim fundamentalists, ISIS, ISAL,HAMAS, Hezbollah, and many more, and these vile acts are committed by those who profess allegiance to these organizations. 

 

The reasons we undergo such strict security at airports and in our daily lives is a direct result of the actions taken by these people.

 

 

 

 

 

So, you admit you were wrong.

 

Thanks. Not many on here have the balls to do so.

[youreavinalaff]

28 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

I'm not misguided at all.  I've never seen any suggestion that the IRA acted in the name of the Pope or Catholic Church.   With all its "splits," the IRA was basically a secular left-wing organization.  Some groups were straight-up Marxist and anti-religion.

 

Perhaps you can enlighten me.  Which IRA attack or campaign was made in the name of Catholicism?

 

 

 

It's not a mistranslation.  The Arabic term is houri (أحور), which is usually translated as "heavenly virgin," but other words like maiden, celestial wife, companion, etc. are also used.  Houris are promised in the Quran to Muslim males in Paradise, but the number 72 comes from a hadith, or saying of the Prophet Mohammad.

 

"The basis of this particular reward, with the number 72, is a hadith narrated in the Sunan of Imam Tirmidhi, in which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said:

“The martyr has six unique traits: he is forgiven immediately; he sees his seat in Paradise and he is saved from the punishment of the grave; he is granted safety from the great terror [of the Day of Judgment]; a crown of honor is placed upon his head, a ruby of which is better than this life and all it contains; he is married to 72 maidens of Paradise; and he is allowed to intercede for 70 relatives.”

 The quote comes from a Muslim Web site.  https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/31643/72-virgins-for-martyrs-making-sense-of-one-of-the-rewards-of-paradise/

 

While some Western professors argue about the meaning of houri, there's no doubt  many Muslims believe it deeply, as evidenced by this video from Palestine.

 

 

Why continue with misconceptions? You are making yourself look foolish.

 

As an example, the conflict in NI was between Catholics and Protestants. What side are IRA?

 

Also, the Quran refers to receiving something "white and pure". They're not virgins. Have a little research. Educate yourself as to what these little " white and pure" rewards are.

[Scouse123]

8 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Why continue with misconceptions? You are making yourself look foolish.

 

As an example, the conflict in NI was between Catholics and Protestants. What side are IRA?

 

Also, the Quran refers to receiving something "white and pure". They're not virgins. Have a little research. Educate yourself as to what these little " white and pure" rewards are.

 

But there was this:-

 

The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome

decorated with

 

The number of 72 virgins in paradise is not mentioned in the Quran, but is instead found in Islamic Traditions. These traditions include the Hadith, which are sayings and actions attributed to the Prophet, and the Book of Sunan, which describes the features of paradise

 

Just pointing this out, personally I believe it as much as I believe in the Archangel Gabriel, Noah's Ark and all the rest of the junk.

 

 

 

 

 

[BangkokReady]

On 10/28/2024 at 12:08 PM, Watawattana said:

"Whoever kills an innocent person it is as if he has killed all of humanity.” — [Quran 5:32]

 

This murderer is not a Muslim, he is simply a cowardly murderer who needs to be taken out of the gene pool.

 

Aren't they always able to interpret it that they can kill whomever they want if they aren't a Muslim?  (Or various other reasons.)

[Watawattana]

16 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Aren't they always able to interpret it that they can kill whomever they want if they aren't a Muslim?  (Or various other reasons.)

Yes.  They can.  So can Christians.  Thou shalt not...  An eye for an eye...

 

The point is criminals kill, not the religion.  Criminals break the law, the religion does not.

 

We can all point fingers at other religions (I was brought up Christian, but quit when I learnt the Minister was a kiddie fiddler and got protected by the church and not prosecuted by the police).  My mind is open to other religions, and I prefer to see the good that religions bring to the vast, VAST, majority of their followers, but of course being aware that twisted minds will twist the religious writings to their own ends when it suits them.  And I am aware of the ridiculous intolerance some have to religions other than their own.

 

I'm also generally a fan of free speech, so wouldn't want people to stop expressing their views. Whether I agree or not.

[Watawattana]

The 'eye for an eye' versus the 'kill them wherever you come upon them' bovine excrement summed up perfectly in a Gary Larson joke.

[MarkyM3]

On 10/29/2024 at 7:57 PM, youreavinalaff said:

Why continue with misconceptions? You are making yourself look foolish.

 

As an example, the conflict in NI was between Catholics and Protestants. What side are IRA?

 

Also, the Quran refers to receiving something "white and pure". They're not virgins. Have a little research. Educate yourself as to what these little " white and pure" rewards are.

You clearly know little about the true causes of the conflict in NI. Religion was the side issue. 

 

Why don't you educate us about Aisha, Mohamed's 6 year old wife by the way? Or kuffar. Or are these made up as well?

[Evil Penevil]

 

On 10/29/2024 at 3:57 PM, youreavinalaff said:

Why continue with misconceptions? You are making yourself look foolish.

 

As an example, the conflict in NI was between Catholics and Protestants. What side are IRA?

I'm not continuing with any misconceptions.  I'm trying to clear up your misconceptions.  I'll leave it to the readers of this thread to decide for themselves which of us is beginning to look foolish.

 

The conflict in Northern Ireland was a political and nationalistic struggle, not a war of religion.  The Encyclopedia Britannica  puts it this way:  "The divide between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland had little to do with theological differences but instead was grounded in culture and politics."  https://www.britannica.com/event/The-Troubles-Northern-Ireland-history/Civil-rights-activism-the-Battle-of-Bogside-and-the-arrival-of-the-British-army

 

That seems to be the point you have a hard time grasping.  The IRA didn't fight in the name of the Catholic Church or to spread Catholicism,  anymore than the Protestant  unionists and loyalists,  the British army and Royal Ulster Constabulary fought in in the name of the Church of England or Presbyterian Church. 

 

The various IRA  groups sought to end British rule in NI  and  reunify Ireland, while the Protestant opposition and British security forces were determined to keep NI in the U.K. That's vastly different from Muslim terrorists whom shout "Allahu Akbar" when they attack their victims; act in accordance with religious fatwas; and whose goal is an Islamic state under Sharia law or the re-establisment of the caliphate.

 

I'll repeat what I wrote earlier;

 

On 10/29/2024 at 5:47 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Religion is the motivation for Muslim terrorism,  whereas terrorist attacks or other violence by people who are considered Christian occur for reasons other than religion.

 

And on to:

On 10/29/2024 at 3:57 PM, youreavinalaff said:

Also, the Quran refers to receiving something "white and pure". They're not virgins. Have a little research. Educate yourself as to what these little " white and pure" rewards are.

 

  I know to what you are refering; the "white and pure" are claimed by one anonymous scholar to be grapes or maybe raisins!

 

  If that's true, then jihadis are awfully easy to please.  They  are willing to blow themselve up for a plate of grapes or a handful of raisins.  That seems a  very measly reward for an Islamic martyr, no matter how "white and pure" the grapes.

 

I'll put a link to that theory about the meaning of houri at the end of this post.  Let's just say it's not accepted by most Muslim and non-Muslim scholars.  But the exact definition of houri  according to a professor-type is largely irrelevant.  It what the terrorits themselves believe and they are all in favor of the celestial virgins.  They are motivated to commit terrorist acts by the promise of heavenly rewards for Islamic martyrs.

 

I will, however,  educate @youreavinalaff on the mainstream meaning of houri.  According to the Encyclopedia Britannica,   "Houri, in Islām, a beautiful maiden who awaits the devout Muslim in paradise. The Arabic word ḥawrāʾ signifies the contrast of the clear white of the eye to the blackness of the iris. There are numerous references to the houri in the Qurʾān describing them as “purified wives” and “spotless virgins.”   https://www.britannica.com/topic/houri

 

I could give many other sources as well, but why bother?   Here's the grape theory:

"In The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran, a 2007 book by "Christoph Luxenberg" (pseudonym of unknown author), the promise of houris is interpreted to relate to pure white grapes or raisins, not virgins, reflecting contemporary expectations of life in paradise in Syriac Christianity."  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri

 

I'm not going into detail, but this is a very controversial theory.  Ask yourself, which is more likely, maidens or raisins as a reward for devout Muslims?