Do you drink drive?

[richard_smith237]

27 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

it appears I may have been over the limit at times as well

Yes, but you self assessed that you were fine to go and you got home no problem 

 

The rate they set is way too low.

 

Arguable and moot...       over the limit is over the limit. 

 

In my case, I've had two beers and drive (2x 330ml cans - usually anywhere between 3.5 and 5% ABV)...  

I recall going to a bar with the wife - the BiB were there as part of a DUI education exercise, it was a bit of fun and we could test ourselves on the breathalysers - I'd had 2 beers and was still under the limit...   but 3 or 4 hours later on, when I'd drunk a lot more and and merrily pished up I was well over the limit (3 or 4x if I recall correctly)... 

 

 

I understand the point you made earlier on in the thread that the 'limit is set on based on the lowest common denominator'...    BUT, its still A BAC level, and if your metabolism is higher and your body breaks down alcohol more quickly, then you will not be over the limit after 2 beers in an hour etc... 

 

The 'rate they set' is based on scientific fact followed by governments world wide... 

 

If you are over the DUI limit, you are impaired, whatever your body size and tollerance of alcohol. 

 

 

I have a Thai mate who states he can drive well while drunk because he is so familiar with driving while drunk....  his opinion is equally as flawed as yours. 

 

Impared is imparied - you are arguing that as you are aware you are impared you take extra caution which is a non-sequitur becasue you are already impaired !!! 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Your implicaition here is that no one should find disagreement or conflict with someone who drives regularly after 10-12 beers and brags about it... 

 

The conflict is with you because of your comments, your attitudes, your confessed behavior - I haven't imagined the sceario where 'you brag about drinking 10-12 beers and drive'... thats a direct quote from you.....  It was followed up by Ralf001 that these amounts are just 'warm up amounts'...   seemingly in support of your behavior.

 

 

Thus, the question of Ralf001 was because he failed to add clarification to his comment lending to the assumption that he too drinks and drives and is in support of your behavior. 

 

 

10 to 12 is a warm up session, where did I say I drive afterwards ?

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Ralf001 said:

 

10 to 12 is a warm up session, where did I say I drive afterwards ?

 

where did you say you didnt ?

[Ralf001]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

where did you say you didnt ?

 

ahh once again, you are reading into to what was not said to bolster your personal agenda.

 

Seek help Richard.

[richard_smith237]

49 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

ahh once again, you are reading into to what was not said to bolster your personal agenda.

 

Seek help Richard.

So you are unable to be clear - you won’t clarify whether you drink drive or not.

 

You won’t clarify if you drive after 10-12 beers or not.

 

You are being deliberately vague when the subject of the op is specifically about drunk / drink driving which leaves the reader of your comment open to make their own interpretation because of the clarity you have failed to offer.

 

Do you [Ralf] drive after more than 2 beers ?  4 beers ? 10-12 beers ? 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

54 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

ahh once again, you are reading into to what was not said to bolster your personal agenda.

 

Seek help Richard.

 

There is no personal agenda with you Ralf… just seeking clarity on your comments. 
 

 

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So you are unable to be clear - you won’t clarify whether you drink drive or not.

 

You won’t clarify if you drive after 10-12 beers or not.

 

You are being deliberately vague when the subject of the op is specifically about drunk / drink driving which leaves the reader of your comment open to make their own interpretation because of the clarity you have failed to offer.

 

Do you [Ralf] drive after more than 2 beers ?  4 beers ? 10-12 beers ? 

 

 

 

I have never posted I drive after a 10 to 12 beer session  so I can only assume your persitance in the matter is to drive your own agenda.

 

[MalcolmB]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There is no personal agenda with you Ralf… just seeking clarity on your comments. 
 

 

When you have issues with one or two people it might be them.

 

When you have issues with many it is really time to take a good hard look at yourself.

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

55 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There is no personal agenda with you Ralf… just seeking clarity on your comments. 
 

 

When you have issues with one or two people it might be them.

 

When you have issues with many it is really time to take a good hard look at yourself.

 

And when you can't read....   

 

No personal issues - except with those who brag about drink driving...  If that happens to be a lot of people, then so be it - that has little to do with any distorion of my moral compass but plenty to do with my disliking of scum.

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

And when you can't read....   

 

No personal issues - except with those who brag about drink driving...  If that happens to be a lot of people, then so be it - that has little to do with any distorion of my moral compass but plenty to do with my disliking of scum.

 

 

 

Who is bragging ?

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Do you drink drive

 

 No, I would spill it.

[MalcolmB]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

that has little to do with any distorion of my moral compass but plenty to do with my disliking of scum.

But you admit to being over yourself, have thai friends who do it and you get your other friends off the charges with corrupt police.

 

your moral compass ?

[MalcolmB]

5 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Who is bragging ?

The only bragging on this thread is Richard with him bragging about how he gets drunk drivers off the hook with the police.

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

But you admit to being over yourself, have thai friends who do it and you get your other friends off the charges with corrupt police.

 

your moral compass ?

 

 

Gaslighting again... 

 

I have not admited to being over - I admit that after running the calculations yesterday its 'possible' I may have been over in the past when driving after a couple of beers.

 

And yes, I help out my friends... that comes at the cost of compromise..   It seems given a similar option you'd tell your 'friends' (if you have any) to take a hike...    so.. 'that moral compass'... 

 

I'm secure enough to admit that my morality is far from solid, though the stench of your true nature remains evident. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Who is bragging ?

 

MalcolmB has bragged about his drink driving in numerous other threads, which is why he started this thread with a loaded poll to fit his agenda....

 

 

But, I note you still haven't answerd the questions asked of you...   which is telling.

Edited November 3 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

The only bragging on this thread is Richard with him bragging about how he gets drunk drivers off the hook with the police.

 

 

Perhpas you've never helped out a friend which is why you consider that 'bragging'...  

 

[Ralf001]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

 

 

But, I note you still haven't answerd the questions asked of you...   which is telling.

 

Which questions are they ?

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Which questions are they ?

 

Read again when you sober up...    though not on your phone while driving !  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3 by richard_smith237

[Ralf001]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Read again when you sober up...    though not on your phone while driving !  

 

 

Yeah I don't drink on evenings that precede a work day, what was the question ?

[MalcolmB]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

MalcolmB has bragged about his drink driving in numerous other threads

No, I just admitted that I drive after having a couple and said most people do.

I wasn’t bragging, just being honest, which is something that you should try out.

You can BS others, but don’t BS yourself.

 

My Frank admission sent you into a frenzy harping on like Karen, claiming that I will kill somebody, which is ridiculous of course.

 

75% of people do according to the poll. With not a single one of them killing anybody.

Complete nonsense. 
Then you provide a chart that shows you too have been not only driving over the limit, but riding a motorcycle over the limit.

You will kill someone.
 

 

[Ralf001]

25 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

No, I just admitted that I drive after having a couple and said most people do.

I wasn’t bragging, just being honest, which is something that you should try out.

You can BS others, but don’t BS yourself.

 

My Frank admission sent you into a frenzy harping on like Karen, claiming that I will kill somebody, which is ridiculous of course.

 

75% of people do according to the poll. With not a single one of them killing anybody.

Complete nonsense. 
Then you provide a chart that shows you too have been not only driving over the limit, but riding a motorcycle over the limit.

You will kill someone.
 

 

 

don't know if he is on this forum or not.. but I know a brit who killed two Thais when he was pissed up.... ran over em on their scoot.

He never saw a single minute of jail time.

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

No, I just admitted that I drive after having a couple and said most people do.

I wasn’t bragging, just being honest, which is something that you should try out.

You can BS others, but don’t BS yourself.

 

My Frank admission sent you into a frenzy harping on like Karen, claiming that I will kill somebody, which is ridiculous of course.

 

You love that word karan when someone is not in agreement with your comments and behavior - its lost its effectiveness as a point scoring mechanism - try harder.

 

 

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

75% of people do according to the poll. With not a single one of them killing anybody.

Complete nonsense. 

 

You think anyone would admit on here to killing someone while DUI ?...   perhaps you will if it happens.

 

And.. as pointed out - the poll is tainted with your agenda and has not provided a balanced option... (as repeatedly pointed out)... 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Then you provide a chart that shows you too have been not only driving over the limit, but riding a motorcycle over the limit.

 

Agreed - I've highlighted its possible I have also driven over the limit in the past given my 'recent' observation and research on this issue in this thread.

 

If you want to project that and judge that I drink drive regularly, thats your projection, but rather hypocritical from someone who drink drives regularly after 10-12 beers...   Claiming the moral high ground here is an extreme stretch.

 

However, for your reference: I cant remember the last time I had two can's of beer and drove, its years ago...  but I admit that it has happend and is possible I may have been over the limit given new information - though, as pointed out, I tested with the BiB (at a bar event) and after two beers blew under...   

 

Yet, from here on in - I'll not be driving anywhere after more than a beer... there's no need, Wife drives, or in Bangkok I can take a taxi everywhere when going out without the Wife. 

 

 

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

You will kill someone.

 

There's the very real risk of that happening at any time....   Its why I have fwd and rear facing dash-cams on both my car and my motorcycle....  But it won't be because I've been drinking or driving reckelessly...   

 

Impossibe to predict of coure, but IF such situation were to occur, its likely an unavoidable incident such as a motorcyclist pulling out without looking and not wearing a helmet etc...   but who knows...  But with certainty I'll not be DUI if anything like that were to happen... You cannot state the same. 

 

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

don't know if he is on this forum or not.. but I know a brit who killed two Thais when he was pissed up.... ran over em on their scoot.

He never saw a single minute of jail time.

 

I also knew of a Brit, in Songkhla who, about 20 years ago killed someone while DUI...    I don't think he did any Jail time either... but I think it cost him.....

... he was a nasty character, aslo smacked around his missus... 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

he was a nasty character, aslo smacked around his missus...

Did you step in or just turn a blind eye?

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yeah I don't drink on evenings that precede a work day, what was the question ?

 

Scrolling up the page an issue for you Ralf ???

 

Here...   in bold too !!!....      hows that reading comprihension coming along ?

 

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

So you are unable to be clear - you won’t clarify whether you drink drive or not.

 

You won’t clarify if you drive after 10-12 beers or not.

 

You are being deliberately vague when the subject of the op is specifically about drunk / drink driving which leaves the reader of your comment open to make their own interpretation because of the clarity you have failed to offer.

 

Do you [Ralf] drive after more than 2 beers ?  4 beers ? 10-12 beers ? 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

he was a nasty character, aslo smacked around his missus...

Did you step in or just turn a blind eye?

 

Yawn...    Gaslighting.

 

- Answer 1: I ignored him - Gives you the amunition to call me a weak hyporcite.

- Answer 2: I stepped in and gave him a kicking - Gives you the amunition to call me a voilent thug.

- Answer 3: I refered the issue to the police - Give you the amunition to call me a grass 

- Answer 4: I refered the issue to police friends - Give you the amunition to accusme me of 'bragging' about contacts.

 

Reality though - I didnt nothing... because I was told this info by others and I was no longer in the area or had any contact. 

 

- this gives you the amunition to accusme me beleiving rumours...  either way, you'll attempt to shoe-horn a pathetic attempt to turn the comment around...  

 

 

[MalcolmB]

47 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Reality though - I didnt nothing...

I assume you meant that you did nothing? 
 

I am not sure where you were going with all the other stuff. 
 

On 11/3/2024 at 2:33 PM, Ralf001 said:

Seek help Richard.

Indeed.

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

I assume you meant that you did nothing? 
 

I am not sure where you were going with all the other stuff. 
 

Indeed.

 

Shutting down your ridiclous gaslighting before you attempted it... 

 

... But, you know that already...    'deliberately playing' dumb for a change.

 

[MalcolmB]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Shutting down your ridiclous gaslighting before you attempted it... 

 

... But, you know that already...    'deliberately playing' dumb for a change.

 

I would call it whataboutism myself.

 

You could have simply just answered that you didn’t do anything about the wife basher.

 

He probably had mates who knew the police to get him off the DUI death.

[Ralf001]

55 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I would call it whataboutism myself.

 

You could have simply just answered that you didn’t do anything about the wife basher.

 

He probably had mates who knew the police to get him off the DUI death.

Plot twist... it was Richard that give the misso a touch up when pissed !!