UK Immigration - Stranger Danger!

[MarkyM3]

As for the OP, his post on this thread tells you what kind of loser he is...

 

 

 

 

[DonniePeverley]

14 hours ago, MarkyM3 said:

Except other stats show they aren't. Recent survey done by Cambridge academics - non partisan - showed the exact opposite and the average net cost over lifetime quoted was in the 100s of £K. You're also ignoring the various non monetary costs that multi-culturalism has had on social cohesion, costs of providing translators for all walks of public life, broken education system with kids from multiple countries in one classroom who don't speak English at home as their first language to name but two. Meanwhile, you get to sit on your behind in the sun in a country not subjected to mass immigration pontificating about why the UK needs more immigration.....right. 

 

UK has had >15% (official census figures, the real ones are acknowledge to be far higher) population increase in the last 25 years. That's 10 million - officially. The UK is creaking at seams, I doubt you have any idea what it's like in major cities there now. Several where the indigenous population is in the minority and other to follow. I do know what it's like, I live there for a good part of the year although like lots of others, am planning to disappear for most of the time ASAP.  Thankfully, I'm in my early 50s and can afford to retire on a good income, most can't.

 

Speak to ordinary people and you'll find the prevailing mood really is that they have had enough. Social unrest in the summer was a portent of that. Labour are already heavily unpopular, looks like their support is evaporating as the turkeys realised they voted for Christmas. Of course, more immigration benefits Labour despite public murmurings to the contrary since they get the lion's share of that vote, aside from educated/established immigrants who've moved up the economic ladder. Tony Blair, ex UK PM, said it himself in the past...

 

Carefully managed immigration which is beneficial both socially and economically is good, what has happened in the UK is anything but.

 

And, tourists/retirement people in Thailand are hardly comparable. They are temporary visitors who the Thai authorities won't hesitate to remove if not desired. Thailand uses its visitors for their benefit, if that stops they won't partake.

 

Having said that, try getting a visitor's visa for your wife or gf in the UK now. A friend in Europe married to a Pinay, where  they've both got good jobs  and established residency there for 10 years, can't get a tourist visa now, despite her having had no issue previously. Meanwhile, we have all sorts arriving in the UK. The system is well and truly f**ked.  

 

 

So let me get this straight. You've emigrated yourself to Thailand to have a better life. But you resent anyone else wanting to do the exact same thing. You cite finance as the reason you do not want immigration into the UK - despite the governments own papers saying there is a massive pro economic positive from immigration. 

 

You cite other factors like 'foreigners don't intergrate' .... you say this without a hint of irony that the British foreigners in Thailand (or Spain etc) make very little effort to intergrate themselves. I've seen Brits here in Thailand who've never bothered to learn a word of Thai, get involved in any of the culture, etc ... other than to get drunk and pay for sex. 

 

You get good and bad immigrants everywhere. 

 

Show me the related article you base your assumption that immigration is a burden financially? Because if you are saying the GOVERNMENTS own official numbers are wrong, and some research company is more correct then i'd love to see this. One thing i am pretty certain with the UK, is there stats and figures are usually correct. 

 

More than likely you just made it up.

 

 

 

[MarkyM3]

2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

So let me get this straight. You've emigrated yourself to Thailand to have a better life. But you resent anyone else wanting to do the exact same thing. You cite finance as the reason you do not want immigration into the UK - despite the governments own papers saying there is a massive pro economic positive from immigration. 

 

You cite other factors like 'foreigners don't intergrate' .... you say this without a hint of irony that the British foreigners in Thailand (or Spain etc) make very little effort to intergrate themselves. I've seen Brits here in Thailand who've never bothered to learn a word of Thai, get involved in any of the culture, etc ... other than to get drunk and pay for sex. 

 

You get good and bad immigrants everywhere. 

 

Show me the related article you base your assumption that immigration is a burden financially? Because if you are saying the GOVERNMENTS own official numbers are wrong, and some research company is more correct then i'd love to see this. One thing i am pretty certain with the UK, is there stats and figures are usually correct. 

 

More than likely you just made it up.

 

 

 

Your comprehension skills need improvement, duh - in my OP I said I'm in the UK most of the year! My location next to my username might also give you a clue if you struggle to read. I'm semi or fully retiring in 12-18 months at age 54 and yes that won't be in the UK. I made my own money, been a higher rate taxpayer since my mid-20s before you say I've sponged off the govt.  

 

I'll go back for the summer because I have property there but even that's subject to change in future. Unfortunately the place is sinking. Walked around Wembley the other day for a medical appt, you couldn't have reliably identified it as British, as is the case of large swathes of London.  

 

As I said in my original response, Thailand controls its own immigration policy dependent on the benefits it brings them and has a cohesive culture and society. Good for them. I have absolutely no problem if they don't want me or others to be there if that's threatened, plenty of other places I've travelled to in the past which work just as well. I've no intention of retiring FT in Thailand in any case. 

 

The rest of your riposte is a lame swipe at British tourists, which has sweet FA to do with long-term immigration and the points raised in my original post. And you could easily say that about plenty of other nationalities. If you're going to come up with some decent counterpoints, do try a bit harder. 

 

As for you - are you British or lived there for a good length of time recently? If not - a fair bet judging by your response and username - you don't have any real credibility. Like I said in the original post  aside from financial costs there are numerous social costs. You said nothing about that. 

 

Low-skilled migrants cost taxpayers £150,000 each

 

...source OBR which is an government-funded body. And to repeat, this is purely financial....this takes no accounts of the numerous social costs of migration.

 

Cost of illegal immigration, is running at several billion pounds per year with an estimated average cost pp over lifetime once settled - since they invariably can't be removed or sneak back - of £400k. Note unofficial illegal migration is way higher. Numerous citations on the internet on figures so do your own research. 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:20 PM by MarkyM3

[DonniePeverley]

3 hours ago, MarkyM3 said:

Your comprehension skills need improvement, duh - in my OP I said I'm in the UK most of the year! My location next to my username might also give you a clue if you struggle to read. I'm semi or fully retiring in 12-18 months at age 54 and yes that won't be in the UK. I made my own money, been a higher rate taxpayer since my mid-20s before you say I've sponged off the govt.  

 

I'll go back for the summer because I have property there but even that's subject to change in future. Unfortunately the place is sinking. Walked around Wembley the other day for a medical appt, you couldn't have reliably identified it as British, as is the case of large swathes of London.  

 

As I said in my original response, Thailand controls its own immigration policy dependent on the benefits it brings them and has a cohesive culture and society. Good for them. I have absolutely no problem if they don't want me or others to be there if that's threatened, plenty of other places I've travelled to in the past which work just as well. I've no intention of retiring FT in Thailand in any case. 

 

The rest of your riposte is a lame swipe at British tourists, which has sweet FA to do with long-term immigration and the points raised in my original post. And you could easily say that about plenty of other nationalities. If you're going to come up with some decent counterpoints, do try a bit harder. 

 

As for you - are you British or lived there for a good length of time recently? If not - a fair bet judging by your response and username - you don't have any real credibility. Like I said in the original post  aside from financial costs there are numerous social costs. You said nothing about that. 

 

Low-skilled migrants cost taxpayers £150,000 each

 

...source OBR which is an government-funded body. And to repeat, this is purely financial....this takes no accounts of the numerous social costs of migration.

 

Cost of illegal immigration, is running at several billion pounds per year with an estimated average cost pp over lifetime once settled - since they invariably can't be removed or sneak back - of £400k. Note unofficial illegal migration is way higher. Numerous citations on the internet on figures so do your own research. 

 

 

 

I think we all know why you have a problem. It's nothing to do with finance. You just have certain 'issues'. 

 

Take care and enjoy Pattaya. 

[NanLaew]

On 11/20/2024 at 6:19 PM, scubascuba3 said:

You being a typical leftie and Wokie can't differentiate between immigration sponging off the nation with take take take and us in Thailand who only spend money

 

...while moaning about the locals, the "online leftie and Wokie" and illegal UK immigration that no longer affects us.

 

And the weather. Englander's just love to talk about the inconsequentials.

[MarkyM3]

That's the best you got? Thought so😄 😄 

 

That's for our Donnie btw.

 

NL...long had you on ignore after you made cretinous remarks about me having to go into hotel quarantine in 2022 when I had a long-planned stay in Thailand for 6 months during 2021-22 so save it for someone else in case you're tempted to engage🙂

Edited Thursday at 06:48 PM by MarkyM3