Day-to-day life in Myanmar

[Tomtomtom69]

1 hour ago, Burma Bill said:

 

I totally agree. 

Those Russians could possibly have been business men (as quoted), diplomats or even military advisers in "civvies". 

Russia and China supply military equipment to the Burmese military (Tatmadaw), for example fighter jets which kill and injure many thousands of innocent civilians. 

 

I suppose that could be, just that Myanmar was never really a country westerners traveled to on business very much and I know that technically, Russians aren't westerners, though they do look like us. 

 

I'm going with diplomats - that's who they probably were. 

[Mahseer]

Sorry Simon last one. Anyone who visits Yangon and skips downtown really is missing out. 

[simon43]

Great photos BB!

 

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     Are you a dive instructor?

No.

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My guess is that you're working in the oil sector

 

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I'm surprised you've even decided to live in Myanmar given the circumstances

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I had been visiting Kawtaung (at the southern tip of Myanmar) on many occasions since about 2002, to do visa runs.  In 2012, and with a completely mad ex-wife making my life a misery, I 'fled' to the safety of Yangon, knowing that the mad bat would not follow me there! I moved 'sideways' in my career from my original space/satellite scientist in the UK, to small hotel builder (in Thailand), and finally to school teacher in Myanmar.  I fell in love with the country and its people, but I have never gained a liking for most Burmese food, since it has too much grease/oil and animal genitalia....  Shan noodles is my favorite Myanmar dish.

 

 

I lived in the brown-shuttered apartment in this photo in downtown Yangon. At any time of the day or night, I have never felt threatened in either Myanmar, Laos and Thailand, not in 22+ years. I attribute this to my belief that no-one will bother/mug/hassle you if you either look poor or look mad!  As I tend to combine both attributes, those with ill-intent leave me alone...

 

The first time that I expressed interest in visiting Dala (across the river), the local Burmese warned me that it was dangerous to go there.  I went and ended up teaching English for free on my day off from my paid teaching job.  Needless to say, I never found it dangerous 🙂

 

 

As to the 2 tourists who ignored me at the moat, perhaps it was my mad staring eyes and maniacal laugh as I said "Well hallooooo!!!" that put them off 🙂

[NewGuy]

Thinking about foreigners going to southern islands. Total had quite the off shore oil-gas operation years back until they we shamed out 2002+/-. I vaguely remember a Pattaya guy who had a on-off shore contract, but that was a long time ago. I doubt that the powers that be would let those assets rest too long.

[Tomtomtom69]

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

Great photos BB!

 

[quote]

     Are you a dive instructor?

No.

[/quote]

 

My guess is that you're working in the oil sector

 

[quote]

I'm surprised you've even decided to live in Myanmar given the circumstances

[/quote]

 

I had been visiting Kawtaung (at the southern tip of Myanmar) on many occasions since about 2002, to do visa runs.  In 2012, and with a completely mad ex-wife making my life a misery, I 'fled' to the safety of Yangon, knowing that the mad bat would not follow me there! I moved 'sideways' in my career from my original space/satellite scientist in the UK, to small hotel builder (in Thailand), and finally to school teacher in Myanmar.  I fell in love with the country and its people, but I have never gained a liking for most Burmese food, since it has too much grease/oil and animal genitalia....  Shan noodles is my favorite Myanmar dish.

 

 

I lived in the brown-shuttered apartment in this photo in downtown Yangon. At any time of the day or night, I have never felt threatened in either Myanmar, Laos and Thailand, not in 22+ years. I attribute this to my belief that no-one will bother/mug/hassle you if you either look poor or look mad!  As I tend to combine both attributes, those with ill-intent leave me alone...

 

The first time that I expressed interest in visiting Dala (across the river), the local Burmese warned me that it was dangerous to go there.  I went and ended up teaching English for free on my day off from my paid teaching job.  Needless to say, I never found it dangerous 🙂

 

 

As to the 2 tourists who ignored me at the moat, perhaps it was my mad staring eyes and maniacal laugh as I said "Well hallooooo!!!" that put them off 🙂

 

Oil sector? Well, until that guy answers us, it will remain a mystery, but I've not heard of westerners working in the oil & gas industry in Myanmar (well, not since Total pulled out anyway) and since he mentioned some unknown island, I'm going to guess, he's working in tourism (hotel or restaurant) or teaching, probably the former. 

 

I never really took a liking for Burmese food either; it's definitely not going to win any culinary awards.

 

That stated, I can always find something I like and unlike Myanmar Beer, I don't find it challenging to eat Burmese food, but when other choices are available, I usually choose those.

 

Thankfully, Thai food is found everywhere in Myanmar, even in the smallest, most rural hamlets. International cuisine dished up by hotels and restaurants in Yangon, whether it be Thai, Indian, western or Japanese or even fusion, tends to be quite good. 

 

As for safety - well...you're mostly correct if you do what you say, but there's always a small chance of becoming the victim of a crime, no matter how many precautions you take. The security situation in Myanmar has deteriorated since the coup and westerners make easy pickings for those who are desperate. That of course doesn't mean you're likely to be robbed, just that you are more likely to be a target compared to the locals. 

 

I've rarely felt unsafe in Thailand/Laos/Myanmar/Cambodia/Vietnam etc. BUT I ensure I don't do silly things or go places I shouldn't be. I'd feel very unsafe in Shwe Kokko so of course I don't go there (foreigners aren't even allowed to visit). Laukkai, Muse, Mongla etc are similar; Laukkai and Mongla are particularly dangerous. 

 

The Golden Triangle SEZ in Laos is open to foreigners, but a bit dodgy. OK to walk through during the day, but not really somewhere a westerner should find themselves in, especially at night. The market they take you to on a day trip by boat from the Thai side - perfectly safe though. 

 

I wouldn't visit a Thai bar in a rural area, nor attend a cockfight as a westerner, where drunk Thai men with guns, knives, sticks and short tempers are in abundance. That's just asking for trouble. Similarly, dodgy KTV places in Laos or Cambodia aren't venues that westerners should visit. That's where you'll find trouble. 

 

Anyway, it's good to see you're happy where you are. I'm about to visit Yangon again in the near future. Looking forward to seeing what it's like now, post-Covid and post-coup. Kawthaung and that southernmost area felt largely the same as it did pre-Covid when I visited in 2023 and 2024. 

[simon43]

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As for safety - well...you're mostly correct if you do what you say, but there's always a small chance of becoming the victim of a crime, no matter how many precautions you take. The security situation in Myanmar has deteriorated since the coup and westerners make easy pickings for those who are desperate. That of course doesn't mean you're likely to be robbed, just that you are more likely to be a target compared to the locals. 

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2 of the foreign teachers at my school had their bags/mobile phones stolen by passing motorbike riders in broad daylight.  I always have my backpack straps over both shoulders.  Still, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time etc...

[soi3eddie]

15 hours ago, Tomtomtom69 said:

I became friends with the owner of a hotel in Dawei who thanks to Covid and then the coup, was forced to sell his dream hotel. His second beach hotel also never became a reality due to years of bureaucracy, an anti-foreigner bias, which meant it took years to receive the necessary permits to build his hotel and in the end, that project was shelved too. 

 

My GF, mother and I, stayed at Mandolis with Nawar in February 2020. Such a lovely gentleman and vision he had. A real shame that it all came to nothing and he left.

 

[Lostinthought]

I have enjoyed reading this thread and decided to contribute. 

 

Myanmar has always had a theft issue. When I traveled here 20 years ago Mandalay was well know to have bags snatched from tourists. I even had my bag robbed of money that I left at a hotel while I ventured up into the hills beyond Mandalay since it was so cheap to keep a room at a hotel and just take a day bag for a few days. 

 

The current situation in Yangon is relatively fine on the surface. Mandalay not so much as the fighting gets nearer. When I was there this summer I could not visit places outside the city due to fighting. And we have a number of students just at our school from Mandalay here in Yangon - to get away from the situation there. 

 

To illustrate how unsafe it is at night - in Thanlyin as you come across the bridge from Yangon, there is a nice housing development on the left opposite Starcity. It is empty. The homes are nicer than the ones in Starcity. Why? So much theft. The developer upon selling did not care anymore and many from this estate bought homes in Starcity across the road to get away from the thefts. These homes sit empty and no one will buy them. 

 

During the day it's fine, as I go for long walks on the weekends into every neighborhood - but after dark it is not safe to venture out. If you are going to a bar or restaurant and taxi it back then you are okay. But, as I read the papers every morning, there is a lot of petty and violent crime for small amounts and large amounts. Lots of killings over small amounts of money - a girl and brother at bus stop killed for a few dollars worth, a taxi driver killed for his money, jewelry store robbed and owners killed, etc. 

 

The Russians could be teachers - there are many from the former Soviet nations teaching here for a major school with branches in Yangon and Mandalay - often subject teachers in science and math. 

 

There are many utterly useless teachers here with many on fake (no) degrees who make the rounds after getting fired from one school - such is the desperation of schools to find teachers so if you are a reasonably professional teacher you could do well here. The conditions here are actually not bad compared to many Asian nations. 

 

I retired from a professional background and having traveled for many years was tired of moving around and decided to find someplace to settle. I see a lot of potential here when things get better - and they will relative to what is/will happen(ing) in the near future. Although the costs keep rising relatively it is still cheaper than other places. I spend freely and only spend about 300 per month. It is not easy to spend money here as there is really nothing to do except go out to eat and walking around. I enjoy both. 

 

Simon, your champ with what you are doing for the kids. 

 

Cheers

[scotty1286]

On 1/6/2025 at 11:21 AM, Tomtomtom69 said:

 

Well, if you're "working on an island" in Myanmar, there can't be very many possibilities. Either you're a dive instructor (which you've confirmed, you are not), an English teacher or involved in some sort of resort or restaurant. 

Very, very unusual to hear of westerners doing anything on an island in Myanmar at present given the economic, political circumstances and general restrictions on foreigners.

 

Nope, not working in any of the above fields either.

Plenty of Chinese around here but only 1 other western foreigner that I know of.