Two Arrested for Luring Tribal Girls into Bangkok Sex Trade

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I reckon you are not thinking straight. 

 

 

After the father has abandoned and the mother decides to keep her child without income she must leave her child with a guardian, go to work in the city but the minimum wage of around 12000 month is not enough to pay for accommodation, guardian, food, clothing, electricity, etc, now she finds herself working in the sex industry. 

 

Please do the maths, a 12k baht monthly income from a job at Big C won't make ends meet. 

 

 

   The bottom line remains .

If the men didn't pay the girls, then there wouldnt be an industry for underaged girls .

   If every man checked the girls age to make sure she was over 20 , then there wouldn't be  any demand for undraged girls

[SAFETY FIRST]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The bottom line remains .

If the men didn't pay the girls, then there wouldnt be an industry for underaged girls .

   If every man checked the girls age to make sure she was over 20 , then there wouldn't be  any demand for undraged girls

This will never happen, you can't remove the population, it seems that's what you want. 

 

Too many guys looking for a minor. 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

This will never happen, you can't remove the population, it seems that's what you want. 

 

Too many guys looking for a minor. 

 

 

   Too many guys looking for a minor and then blaming everyone else and taking no responsibility for their own actions "Its the Governments' fault for not giving them money,that's why I have to do it myself*

[SAFETY FIRST]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Too many guys looking for a minor and then blaming everyone else and taking no responsibility for their own actions "Its the Governments' fault for not giving them money,that's why I have to do it myself*

OK, let's agree to disagree. 

 

Thanks for your input. 

 

[Chris Daley]

What's the name of this bar?  I'm thirsty.

[Confuscious]

42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The bottom line remains .

If the men didn't pay the girls, then there wouldnt be an industry for underaged girls .

   If every man checked the girls age to make sure she was over 20 , then there wouldn't be  any demand for undraged girls

 

Is that number "over 20 years old" choosen arbitrary?
Because a member of this forum said that his girlfriend/wife was 20 years old and he spoilt her to death in order to keep her.

An other member of this forum answerred:
"Great, but are 20 year old cute girls available to accompany you?"
 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Confuscious said:

 

Is that number "over 20 years old" choosen arbitrary?
Because a member of this forum said that his girlfriend/wife was 20 years old and he spoilt her to death in order to keep her.

 

   That is safely  over the legal age 

[Dave0206]

I saw a documentary about some rescued girls in Cambodia where there mothers had often knowingly sold them off to be forced to work in brothels cheapest end of the trade .

As said before horrible existence. In Thailand I read of schoolgirls selling themselves to be able to get the newest iPhone since the Internet life for many is so superficial as long as customers are there I don't see the oldest profession shutting up shop

[Confuscious]

3 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

I saw a documentary about some rescued girls in Cambodia where there mothers had often knowingly sold them off to be forced to work in brothels cheapest end of the trade .

As said before horrible existence. In Thailand I read of schoolgirls selling themselves to be able to get the newest iPhone since the Internet life for many is so superficial as long as customers are there I don't see the oldest profession shutting up shop

I know personally a few schoolgirls, same school as my daughter, who went in the weekends to Pattaya to sell themselves on Beach Rd. for the extra packet money.
Some of them even catched HIV.
Fake ID-Cards.

[thesetat2013]

5 hours ago, Confuscious said:

When i came to Thailand, 25 years ago, there was a woman in the remote village of my girlfriend in Chaiyaphum who offered loans to the farmers.
The farmers who were entitled to these loans had young daughters or young sons.
Many farmers were unable to pay back these loans and the woman "proposed" them to send their daughter or their son with her to Pattaya and go work there until the loan was payed.

Good point.. also, I know some guy in Pattaya who owned a gogo bar.. He told me as well as others that the bar mamasan was always going north to recruit girls to come work in the sex industry. The girls would get all kinds of promises about just being a barmaid. But once there and seeing the other young women selling themselves out for the night and their peer pressure to make more money that way is all too enticing. 

It strikes me that this story is going a lot to blame just the 2 young women when most likely they did the same as the mamasans in pattaya going to find young girls wanting work and offering them jobs but then upon seeing the money they could make between their legs opted for the bigger and better deal. 

I am in no way condoning any of this. But those girls left their homes.... families allowed it. so some kind of promises were made to the girls and families to allow this to happen.

As for the Chinese men, i hope they find each and every one and castrate them... 

[BangkokReady]

On 12/5/2024 at 6:28 PM, SAFETY FIRST said:

In the west the government would provide social security and welfare payments (thousands of dollars after the birth)

 

And if Thailand started doing that, people would begin abusing, just like they do in the West.  And that would require a lot of money from a fairly poor country.

[BangkokReady]

On 12/5/2024 at 6:56 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

The issue is about men paying underaged girls for sex .

 

While I agree that this is part of the issue, if they absolutely could not do anything before 18, most of them would probably start at 18.  So while the problem of underage girls being paid for sex would go, the problem of young women being paid for sex would remain.

[BangkokReady]

On 12/5/2024 at 8:21 PM, advancebooking said:

so true. one of my employees was pregnant to this loser thai guy. He left her at 6 months prego. She was guttered. Now raising the baby with her mum. Still works for us. I gave her a pay rise and look after her. Give free treatment to her mum

 

Very sad, but the girl bears some of the responsibility for choosing a bad guy, not securing commitment, allowing him to get her pregnant, not getting her to marry her, and so on.

[BangkokReady]

14 hours ago, impulse said:

On 12/5/2024 at 7:03 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Giving young girls money will not stop pedophiles wanting sex with underaged people .

   The problem is with the men who pay underged kids for sex .. 

 

You mean like the guys who are always asking "what is the age of consent?" in Thailand?  As if that should matter to a 60+ geezer...

 

Why would someone looking to pay to have sex with an underage girl (very much illegal) be asking about the age of consent (a matter of law)?

[BangkokReady]

13 hours ago, Briggsy said:

30-year-old single mothers choosing to come to Pattaya to work the foreigner scene

 

Do people enter "the scene" at 30???

[BangkokReady]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The customers are to blame .

If the men didn't pay the girls, then there wouldn't be any demand  and the girls wouldn't get involved in the sex industry

 

But there are many other actors who could stop it.  Parents, police, etc.

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, Confuscious said:

Is that number "over 20 years old" choosen arbitrary?
Because a member of this forum said that his girlfriend/wife was 20 years old and he spoilt her to death in order to keep her.

An other member of this forum answerred:
"Great, but are 20 year old cute girls available to accompany you?"

 

I believe users might choose this figure as they feel it allows them to still discuss selecting a young girl but without what they perceive as the danger of any criticism for choosing a teenager of 18 or 19.  I'm pretty sure most would be more than happy with an 18 or 19 year old girl, should the chance present itself.

 

It's very interesting how many people have strange attitudes towards dating young women here.  Even the ones who seem to be critical of others dating young women, still themselves want to date young women, but appear to be cautious about what age they state, less they lose their ability to judge others.

[BangkokReady]

5 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You seem to want to shift the blame  from the men , to make excuses for men who hire underaged prostitiutes .

   The girls do not receive living expenses from the Government , but if there was no demand from old men paying young girls, then they would seek other jobs .

   The men who seek young girls are solely to blame for themselves abusing young girls .

   No one else is to blame for their actions 

I reckon you are not thinking straight. 

 

After the father has abandoned and the mother decides to keep her child without income she must leave her child with a guardian, go to work in the city but the minimum wage of around 12000 month is not enough to pay for accommodation, guardian, food, clothing, electricity, etc, now she finds herself working in the sex industry. 

 

Please do the maths, a 12k baht monthly income from a job at Big C won't make ends meet. 

 

We are back in this horrible circle. 

 

I think you're both correct.  There is an element of needing the money and also an element of wanting the money.  Some would still be on the game even if they got some money from the government, while some would probably not.

 

It seems to be down to a matter of opinion, which of course people often disagree on.

[Confuscious]

1 hour ago, thesetat2013 said:

It strikes me that this story is going a lot to blame just the 2 young women when most likely they did the same as the mamasans in pattaya going to find young girls wanting work and offering them jobs but then upon seeing the money they could make between their legs opted for the bigger and better deal. 

Like everything in Thailand, no police or NGO would meddle with the daily wrongdoings in this 3rd world country.
Only when someone pushes on the "alarm" they will relutantly do something until everybody forget about it.
They can arrest a person on the blue list but not arrest the Red Bull guy.

[AndreasHG]

 

Since you mention stupidity, I guess you realize that Human Trafficking is a legal term, and only the Law establish when the crime of human trafficking is committed. Likewise you fully understand that only the Law states when there is consent, and when, on the other end, a person is "coerced" into an activity "without his/her consent". Don't you? 

Yes, you do. You're smart and you know it all.

 

On 12/5/2024 at 5:55 PM, scubascuba3 said:

People think they are trafficked which they are not

The Thai Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act is very clear with regards to what Trafficking in Human beings means (Microsoft Word - Trafficking_in_Persons_Act_B.E.2551) 

Chapter I, section 6, paragraph 2 clearly states: "procuring, buying, selling, vending, bringing from or sending to, detaining or confining, harboring, or receiving a child; is guilty of trafficking in persons. ".

What is a child? Section 4 gives a clear answer: "“Child” means any person under eighteen years of age.".

 

So yes, from the Thai Law point of view, this was 100% "Human Trafficking". You think they are not trafficked. But instead they are.

 

20 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

No it isn't, there's no forcing or coercion, amazing how stupid some people are and don't know the difference

 

The issue is that you do not understand that there is no consent. For a very simple reason: a minor, in Thailand, similarly to what happens in the USA, Australia, the UK, France, Germany, etc., is not 'sui juris'. Minors have not the full legal capacity to act on their own behalf and are under the authority of another person (usually the parents).

A minor in Thailand refers to any person under the age of 20, unless they are married.

A minor is restricted from doing juristic acts – for example, signing contracts. When minors wish to do a juristic act, they have to obtain the consent from their legal representative, usually the parents and otherwise the act is voidable.

The exceptions are acts by which a minor merely acquires a right or is freed from a duty, acts that are strictly personal, and acts that are suitable to the person's condition in life and are required for their reasonable needs. 

A minor cannot 'consent' to become a prostitute. A minor can only be 'coerced', from a legal point of view, to become a prostitute.

 

I think you are now in a better position to understand what stupidity is.

 

On 12/5/2024 at 6:44 PM, Ohyesuare said:

Bringing or coercing girls, especially underaged ones , from their home towns to Bangkok, to engage in sex work, willing or not, is the definition of human trafficking.

 

Exactly: it is the definition of human trafficking.

[john donson]

you don't think corrupt RTP will not prefer to get paid, as usual and pretend nothing happened?

 

human sex slave trafficking, same as other crimes, no deterrent  sadly...  10-15 years hard labor would be a good start... to the salt mines, lol

[Aussie999]

On 12/6/2024 at 4:16 PM, SAFETY FIRST said:

I'm blaming Thailand government. 

 

So the government is not to blame? 

 

Whois at fault? 

 

 

Um, please re-read your comment, it makes little sense.

[Nick Carter icp]

17 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

.  I'm pretty sure most would be more than happy with an 18 or 19 year old girl, should the chance present itself.

 

 

 

   Why would you want to have a 19 year old girl for ?

[scottiejohn]

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Why would you want to have a 19 year old girl for ?

Silly question unless you are gay!

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Silly question unless you are gay!

 

   Its a genuine question . 

Why would you want a 19 year old girlfriend for ?

 If the reason is sex  , then older woman have got vaginas as well 

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its a genuine question . 

Why would you want a 19 year old girlfriend for ?

 If the reason is sex  , then older woman have got vaginas as well 

What a pointless response to your original even more pointless original post!

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

What a pointless response to your original even more pointless original post!

 

   So, why would you want to have a 19 year old girlfriend ?

[scottiejohn]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, why would you want to have a 19 year old girlfriend ?

Yet another stupid response!

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Yet another stupid response!

 

  I was actually talking to someone else .

You don't need to reply with a mindless response

I was asking another poster  the question , you don't need to reply with a  no nothing response 

[scottiejohn]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I was actually talking to someone else .

Maybe in your dreams, but the quote was from you to me!

Not that it makes it any more pointless nor stupid!

 

Please don't bother responding, especially when you do not know who/what you are responding to!