National Socialism was a Left Wing Socialist Political Movement

[AlwaysThere]

2 minutes ago, mokwit said:

So why did you post this?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

 

It is nothing other than a washing over of facts to present one argument as the right one - in this case that the Nazis were not Socialists. A gross oversimplification which you endorsed by posting it.

 

The two authors are not talking about what Hitler said about whether the Nazis were Socialist they are looking at how the Nazis controlled the means of production from the standpoint of people who were actually there.

 

 

 

 

It was to point out that morons on the Right, try to paint the Nazis as being on the Left. I don't care what the authors wrote. They are irrelevant. 

Left and Right is just smoke and mirrors. Often just used to distract and attack one another. Moronic.

 

There are aspects of socialism in many 'first world' countries. Of course vested interests are going to rail against any form of socialism. There is no perfect system. Arguing with regard to the extremes is just moronic. 

Too many are being fooled by this. Dragged into pointless arguments by morons looking to cause trouble.

 

[mokwit]

Just now, AlwaysThere said:

 

It was to point out that morons on the Right, try to paint the Nazis as being on the Left. I don't care what the authors wrote. They are irrelevant. 

Left and Right is just smoke and mirrors. Often just used to distract and attack one another. Moronic.

 

There are aspects of socialism in many 'first world' countries. Of course vested interests are going to rail against any form of socialism. There is no perfect system. Arguing with regard to the extremes is just moronic. 

Too many are being fooled by this. Dragged into pointless arguments by morons looking to cause trouble.

 

Yes yes, 'morons on the Right, try to paint the Nazis as being on the Left'  everyone else is a moron and you are smart despite an utter nonsense posts. Got it.

 

 

[AlwaysThere]

1 minute ago, mokwit said:

despite an utter nonsense posts.

 

Yeah...😊

[Keep Right]

On 12/31/2024 at 11:55 AM, Yagoda said:

All of the Precepts of Socialism are based on community.

 

The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks, indeed all the Socialist partys, believed in the dictatorship of the "workers and peasants" where all would live in peace and harmony, from each, according to their ability, to each, according to their need.

 

In order to achieve this utopia, the "class enemy" must be fought and defeated and the instruments of oppression (bourgoiuse captialist government) overthrown in a revolutionary mass movement. In Bolshevik terms, that revolution is to be led by the "vanguard", the elightened activists.

 

The National Socialists beleived in the racial community of all Germans, an Aryan volksgemeineshaft. They were opposed to and fought the existing bourgeouise government, which was viewed as a tool of the racial enemy,  and as such the National Socialists were revolutionary. 

 

Both philosophies were revolutionary. Revolution is a tool of the left.

Both philosphies had enemies. The Bolsheviks, for example, had the bourgeoise and capitalists. The National Socialists, had the Jews.

Both philosophies were similar economicaly. Socialism entails the State the owning the means of production. National Socialism was hybrid, private ownership under the direction of the state for the benefit of the state was permitted, and the government owned other economic concerns (viz, the SS economic empire).

Both philosophies were "mass movements". Everything was to be a benefit to either the "people" or the "volk"

 

The very fact of their revolutionary nature demonstrates that National Socialism is left wing.

 

The fact that National Socialists are also Socialists is amply demonstrated by the foregoing.

 

Socialism in all its forms mandates mass murder because of its disregard of human nature.

So very true as evidenced by the left wing socialists who support mass abortion (murder) of the unborn, even up to birth.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

You do know it's You're, don't you? You appear quite 'challenged' yourself.

 

 

 

 

No answer to the question at issue tho. 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

It was to point out that morons on the Right, try to paint the Nazis as being on the Left. I don't care what the authors wrote. They are irrelevant. 

Left and Right is just smoke and mirrors. Often just used to distract and attack one another. Moronic.

 

There are aspects of socialism in many 'first world' countries. Of course vested interests are going to rail against any form of socialism. There is no perfect system. Arguing with regard to the extremes is just moronic. 

Too many are being fooled by this. Dragged into pointless arguments by morons looking to cause trouble.

 

Translation: I cant argue the point, so I insult, redux.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

To be fair, had it been any other poster, other that you, people might have engaged.

I realize its difficult to compete, tho I thought your lot were the elite intellectuals

[AlwaysThere]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I cant argue the point, so I insult, redux.

 

You want an argument on your terms in so you can control the conversation. But it failed because your premise is a moronic oversimplification.

[AlwaysThere]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

I realize its difficult to compete, tho I thought your lot were the elite intellectuals

 

No one wants to compete with an idiot. No one with even a modicum of intelligence agrees with you.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Yeah...😊

Where are you getting this idea you are so smart. I haven't seen anything smart from you, rather you come across as someone who is overestimating his understanding of things to the point where you think everyone else is a 'moron'.

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

No one wants to compete with an idiot. No one with even a modicum of intelligence agrees with you.

Well we know you cant lol. You arent smart enough to outargue an idiot.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

15 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

No one wants to compete with an idiot. No one with even a modicum of intelligence agrees with you.

 

The only weapons in your arsenal seem to be calling anyone that has a contrary opinion to your own, either an idiot or a moron … irony not your strong suit obviously

 

 

[mokwit]

20 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

You want an argument on your terms in so you can control the conversation. But it failed because your premise is a moronic oversimplification.

A bit rich coming from the person who wrote this, no? You are defining the terms to suit your low level of understanding.

 

Again, there is the washing over of facts in order to present one argument as the right one. 

All of this idiotic arguing over left and right. Hitler insisted that his form of National Socialism was neither left nor right wing.

One thing they were all united against was what some would call "economic anti-semitism". But other than that, they various factions had different views, including on racism. Putting everyone either on the left or the right would be a gross oversimplification.

But the dummies who like to frame everything as for us or against us, can do nothing else.

 

You are defining the terms to suit your low level of understanding, which you laughably obviously think is a higher one 🤣.

[AlwaysThere]

53 minutes ago, mokwit said:

A bit rich coming from the person who wrote this, no? You are defining the terms to suit your low level of understanding.

 

Again, there is the washing over of facts in order to present one argument as the right one. 

All of this idiotic arguing over left and right. Hitler insisted that his form of National Socialism was neither left nor right wing.

One thing they were all united against was what some would call "economic anti-semitism". But other than that, they various factions had different views, including on racism. Putting everyone either on the left or the right would be a gross oversimplification.

But the dummies who like to frame everything as for us or against us, can do nothing else.

 

You are defining the terms to suit your low level of understanding, which you laughably obviously think is a higher one 🤣.

 

About what do you disagree with in my statement? I posted the proof of Hitler stating that he was neither on the side of the Left or the Right. Are you disputing that?

 

 

[AlwaysThere]

21 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well we know you cant lol. You arent smart enough to outargue an idiot.

 

1. Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
2. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

 

I'm happy to let you think that you have won the argument 😊

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

About what do you disagree with in my statement? I posted the proof of Hitler stating that he was neither on the side of the Left or the Right. Are you disputing that?

 

And I posted arguments from economists who were there that what Hitler actually implemented was de facto control of the means of production. Not what he said, he said a lot of things, but analysis of what he DID.

[AlwaysThere]

25 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Where are you getting this idea you are so smart. I haven't seen anything smart from you, rather you come across as someone who is overestimating his understanding of things to the point where you think everyone else is a 'moron'.

 

Why would you be expected to understand what is smart? 😊

[mokwit]

Just now, AlwaysThere said:

 

1. Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
2. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

 

I'm happy to let you think that you have won the argument 😊

Oh don't worry the onlookers on this board are judging who is the idiot in this conversation. Let's just let them judge for themselves.

[mokwit]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

Why would you be expected to understand what is smart? 😊

The assumed intellectual superiority of someone who is too limited to understand how limited he is. All you are doing is telling us how smart you are but with "evidence" that exists only in your head.

[AlwaysThere]

39 minutes ago, mokwit said:

And I posted arguments from economists who were there that what Hitler actually implemented was de facto control of the means of production. Not what he said, he said a lot of things, but analysis of what he DID.

 

He took defacto control of all that he could. Does that mean that he was left wing? What do you propose that he should have done if practising "economic anti-semitism"?

 

It seems that you are desperate to shoehorn him as being on the left, when in fact there are elements of left and right wing in what was performed and he aligned himself with neither.

Why the desperation to pigeonhole someone as being on the left or right? 

[AlwaysThere]

4 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Oh don't worry the onlookers on this board are judging who is the idiot in this conversation. Let's just let them judge for themselves.

 

Perfect 😊

 

[AlwaysThere]

10 minutes ago, mokwit said:

The assumed intellectual superiority of someone who is too limited to understand how limited he is. All you are doing is telling us how smart you are but with "evidence" that exists only in your head.

 

No, I actually posted the evidence alongside my reply. You just chose not to quote the proof that Hitler despised both those on the Left and Right.

Pathetic that you are more interested in appearing to prevail in a debate than to actually discuss the nuances. Bipolar and extremist behaviour.

I cannot lose because I don't have a dog in the fight.

[mokwit]

3 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

He took defacto control of all that he could. Does that mean that he was left wing? What do you propose that he should have done if practising "economic anti-semitism"?

 

It seems that you are desperate to showhorn him as being on the left, when in fact there are elements of left and right wing in what was performed and he aligned himself with neither.

Why the desperation to pigeonhole someone as being on the left or right? It's like a mental illness with so many here.

I was countering the argument that you posted and thus endorsed:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

 

you also posted this: https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

You don't have any arguments of your own.

 

[mokwit]

19 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

I posted the proof of Hitler stating that he was neither on the side of the Left or the Right.

What proof, just you saying he said this, that is not proof. You didn't post proof of this. Provide proof. Which speech, which page in Mein Kampf?

[AlwaysThere]

27 minutes ago, mokwit said:

I was countering the argument that you posted and thus endorsed:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

 

you also posted this: https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

 

You don't have any arguments of your own.

 

 

What argument was that? That Hitler was Left Wing? No Right Wing affiliations at all? Of are you just ignoring that for the sake trying to appear to win an argument?

 

Left and Right is just smoke and mirrors. You aren't getting that. Like everyone, we have both inside of us. You are just fighting with yourself.

It's literally nuts the amount of people who rant about the Right and Left on here, hating each other. Impotent ranting.

I just call it out from time to time....with a fuller picture, 

[mokwit]

14 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

He took defacto control of all that he could. Does that mean that he was left wing? What do you propose that he should have done if practising "economic anti-semitism"?

 

It seems that you are desperate to shoehorn him as being on the left, when in fact there are elements of left and right wing in what was performed and he aligned himself with neither.

Why the desperation to pigeonhole someone as being on the left or right? It's like a mental illness with so many here.

I am not "desperate" to shoehorn or Pigeonhole him at all. I was pointing out that he was not what the Left says he was.

[Yagoda]

22 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

 

1. Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
2. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

 

I'm happy to let you think that you have won the argument 😊

Excellent. Another Socialist that now recognizes what he is.

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysThere said:

I just call it out from time to time....with a fuller picture, rather than the mentally ill one-sided views.

Yes of course, you descend from your great intellectual height every now and then just to put the fools right. You are deluded to the point of psychopathology. It is not us who are mentally ill, it is you who is looking from your own framework that only exists in your head.

[AlwaysThere]

3 minutes ago, mokwit said:

I am not "desperate" to shoehorn or Pigeonhole him at all. I was pointing out that he was not what the Left says he was.

 

Who were the Left at the time?

[mokwit]

Just now, AlwaysThere said:

 

Oh grow up. I have no time to engage in your childish..."which page?" If you really sought confirmation, you would have done so before replying. Nut you are just excited to have anyone engage with you at all and don't want to lose the momentum of your childish excitement.. 😊

Go find it and come back. If you don't want to, that's up to you. 😊

Bye. I can't help you.