Revenue Department boss calls on tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns by March 31

[jwest10]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Look again, Item 2 is filled in, in pencil

Really the box for deductibles is blank  and where is the 190k for over 65 and other things from the Exemption form amounting to 500 or 560K Thai Baht

[The Cyclist]

8 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Really the box for deductibles is blank

 

No, it isn't

 

8 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

and where is the 190k for over 65

 

I guess that it is for over 65's

 

Do you think you can work that one out ?
 

Why don't you visit your local RD Office and let them put you on the right track.

[nglodnig]

1 hour ago, chiang mai said:

you've been told so you need to file

I was unaware that "aseannow.com" was an official TRD website.  Still waiting for the email. 

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, nglodnig said:

I was unaware that "aseannow.com" was an official TRD website.  Still waiting for the email. 

Good luck with that!

[jwest10]

9 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

No, it isn't

 

 

I guess that it is for over 65's

 

Do you think you can work that one out ?
 

Why don't you visit your local RD Office and let them put you on the right track.

Done several times aeady but thanks

[chiang mai]

The PND 91 form instructions have already been set out in detail, what we're really waiting for is the PND90 instructions and format. PND90 is the form that comprises multiple types of income, including rental and investment income and is the form I think most people will use.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, chiang mai said:

The PND 91 form instructions have already been set out in detail, what we're really waiting for is the PND90 instructions and format. PND90 is the form that comprises multiple types of income, including rental and investment income and is the form I think most people will use.

Good point.

 

We'll have to see if the PND90 has been updated to accommodate income that is non-assessable due to DTAs or non-taxable remittances.

[jwest10]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Good point.

 

We'll have to see if the PND90 has been updated to accommodate income that is non-assessable due to DTAs or non-taxable remittances.

Yes but when these forms and my local Revenue looked at me and not a clue.

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, chiang mai said:

Sorry, yes, my error.

 

OK so the planets are aligned, there is a place to put exempt income so that's where the US SSc goes, presumably.

No there is not. The list of exempt incomr is specific to Thai income.

[connda]

Revenue Department boss calls on tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns by March 31

 

Like most expats, 50 million Thai citizens ignore him. 👈 Now - There's reality! 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Mazars has a download with instructions on filing PND91 for 2024 on their website and there is no mention of declaring income that is non-assessable due to DTAs or for declaring remittances that are not taxable.

 

https://www.forvismazars.com/th/en/insights/doing-business-in-thailand/payroll/personal-income-tax-return-form-pnd-91

 

The info is supposedly current as at 21 November 2024 and I would think that if the RD had changes in the works that Mazars would mention that. But one never knows in Thailand.

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, Sheryl said:

No there is not. The list of exempt incomr is specific to Thai income.

For the past ten years that I've been filing Thai tax returns, I have simply omitted my US SSc income, I've usually mentioned it but have said it was exempt income and that has been the end of the matter.

[MartinBangkok]

8 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

Probably 10 years in Thailand and can't coint to 10 in Thai

I can count to 999 billion Baht. (I still haven't learned what the Thai word for trillion is I have to admit)

 

Edit: Just learnt it now: 

The Thai word for "trillion" is ล้านล้าน (lan-lan), which literally means "a million million."

Here's the breakdown:

ล้าน (lan) means "million."

Repeating it as ล้านล้าน indicates "a million times a million," which equals one trillion (1,000,000,000,000).

 

[chiang mai]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

Revenue Department boss calls on tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns by March 31

 

Like most expats, 50 million Thai citizens ignore him. 👈 Now - There's reality! 

The work force is 38 million, 11 million filed tax returns last year and the rest didn't make enough to exceed the filing threshold.

[potless]

1 hour ago, chiang mai said:

"Expats with over 180 days in Thailand must submit returns for income remitted in 2024". 

I was under the impression that a person becomes tax resident if they are present in Thailand over 179 days. What a difference a day makes for some.

[4myr]

On 1/4/2025 at 8:55 PM, NoDisplayName said:

We just filed our taxes online, using the Thai forms.  Took just under half an hour, as taking notes. 

 

All my remittances were prior 2024 savings, so not declared.  Listing only Thai sourced interest and dividends, and requesting a refund of tax withheld.

 

Thanks for explaining, very helpful!

 

Quote

 

"All my remittances were prior 2024 savings, so not declared. "

 

I am a bit clueless in this, please help. 

Is there some online manual/guidance, that exempted income like prior 2024 savings or DTA exemptions need not to be declared?

Is in the online form some sections where you can put notes/comments, as in the paper PND90 of 2023 there is none?

 

[Yumthai]

1 minute ago, chiang mai said:

The work force is 38 million, 11 million filed tax returns last year and the rest didn't make enough to exceed the filing threshold.

The rest is a mix of people who are unaware about tax, are aware but don't care, are aware and have precisely calculated they don't earn enough to file. The last category is IMO by far the least populated.

[chiang mai]

Just now, Yumthai said:

The rest is a mix of people who are unaware about tax, are aware but don't care, are aware and have precisely calculated they don't earn enough to file. The last category is IMO by far the least populated.

If you can't prove it with facts, they are innocent until proven guilty......next!

[Yumthai]

1 minute ago, chiang mai said:

If you can't prove it with facts, they are innocent until proven guilty......next!

I have nothing to prove it's my opinion. You can't prove it either.

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, Yumthai said:

I have nothing to prove it's my opinion. You can't prove it either.

I can prove that the average wage in Thailand is 15k Baht per month which is below the filing threshold and well below the level at which tax is due. 30k Personal Allowance and 150k zero rated, that takes care of a whole bunch of non-filers..

[Yumthai]

2 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

I can prove that the average wage in Thailand is 15k Baht per month which is below the filing threshold and well below the level at which tax is due. 30k Personal Allowance and 150k zero rated, that takes care of a whole bunch of non-filers..

OK but that proves nothing of what the mix of non-filers is composed of.

[Neeranam]

26 minutes ago, connda said:

Revenue Department boss calls on tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns by March 31

 

Like most expats, 50 million Thai citizens ignore him. 👈 Now - There's reality! 

But they don't run the risk of being deported.

[NoDisplayName]

58 minutes ago, 4myr said:

Is there some online manual/guidance, that exempted income like prior 2024 savings or DTA exemptions need not to be declared?

 

HOW DO FOREIGNERS LIVING IN THAILAND PAY TAX?

 

Foreign sourced income derived before 1st January
2024 and remitted into Thailand in a later tax year
is not subject to Thai Tax.

https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/user_upload/lorkhor/newspr/2024/FOREIGNERS_PAY_TAX2024.pdf

[OJAS]

2 hours ago, nglodnig said:

I was unaware that "aseannow.com" was an official TRD website.  Still waiting for the email. 

 

The only email you're ever likely to receive from the TRD will be one issued bang on the dot at 00:00:01 on 1 April gleefully slapping a 2,000 THB fine on you for missing their 31 March deadline for filing tax returns!😇

[OJAS]

1 hour ago, Yumthai said:

OK but that proves nothing of what the mix of non-filers is composed of.

So what does, then? All very well to hold opinions, but these really need to be backed up with CONCRETE facts.

 

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Revenue Department boss calls on tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns by March 31

 

Like most expats, 50 million Thai citizens ignore him. 👈 Now - There's reality! 

 

Yep. I will start taking this seriously when I receive an official notification to pay by the authorities. To me, this seems so unlikely that I almost want it to happen so I can see how they managed to do it (and only then will I start considering alternative options).

 

A farang I know recently packed up and left the country because of this, reluctantly. I repeatedly told him not to get uptight, as IMO the likelihood of this actually happening is extremely low. Once the Thai authorities are faced with the mountain of complexities and difficulties it entails, coupled with the bad image for the country and actual loss of revenue from expats (the opposite effect of what they want), they will probably sweep it under the carpet…

 

"But the law has been enacted!", he said. "Yes, now let's see if they actually apply it", I retorted, but he wouldn't have it… until his final week where he started having regrets as he realised that beyond the dozens of hours of talking (mostly done by farangs), nothing is actually happening. I was at the immigration office a couple of months ago, no signs, no leaflets, no staff telling anyone about anything related to it… (This last point is important because all the farangs I have heard talking about it interpret it as "pay tax or leave", i.e. you won't be able to renew your visa… In a way it reminds me of the hordes of people who were adamant that getting the Covid vaccine would be required for a visa, which of course didn't even remotely begin to materialise in any shape or form).

 

Relax, it most likely isn't going to happen, don't do anything and it will go away.

[connda]

2 hours ago, chiang mai said:

The work force is 38 million, 11 million filed tax returns last year and the rest didn't make enough to exceed the filing threshold.

Most of us under DTAs don't either.  Well, except for those rich blokes who love to call the rest of us "Cheap Charlies" while smirking.

[connda]

1 hour ago, OJAS said:

 

The only email you're ever likely to receive from the TRD will be one issued bang on the dot at 00:00:01 on 1 April gleefully slapping a 2,000 THB fine on you for missing their 31 March deadline for filing tax returns!😇

 

3 minutes ago, connda said:

  2 hours ago, chiang mai said:

The work force is 38 million, 11 million filed tax returns last year and the rest didn't make enough to exceed the filing threshold.

And I'm exactly like the other 60 million Thais who don't file returns.  I've run the numbers and I don't own Thailand a satang.  If they really want to recoup tax monies, they should aim their enforcement resources at the rich who are actually avoiding taxes.  From my understanding, that was the purpose of these changes in the Thai taxes. They'd be wasting their enforcement resources tracking down people who don't meet the tax threshold.

Really - You people worry too much. 

[Old Curmudgeon]

On 1/4/2025 at 4:02 AM, anchadian said:

Revenue Department urges tax residents in Thailand to file 2024 returns

 

Predictions, please, how long this tax silliness will go on until Thai bureaucrats finally realize that smart farang are finding ways around all those new regulations.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:29 PM, Jingthing said:

A bonanza for so called "advisors" if little else. 

 

Yep!