Has Elon Musk become an existential threat to humanity?

[thaibeachlovers]

37 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

If you're the richest man in the world you wouldn't care about "friends" or "facts'. With your money and subsequently influence you are able to create your own and by being the owner of the most influential media your own reality and facts and buy friends.

The media only influences people if they use it. I stopped using the Media ( except for Al Jazeera which has no ads to speak of and this forum ), so it doesn't affect me much.

Yes, rich people have as many friends as they can buy. It's a sad life though, always wanting more, and being scared that it's going to be taken away.

[ignore it]

Note to Posters.

 

I'm thinking that few curmudgeons read posts longer than say 500 words.

 

Here we have 1805 words.

 

In answer to your post, 

 

No.  What a silly question.

[wombat]

No...not at all...the existential threat comes from those trying to brand him as an existential threat.

[Chosenfew]

On 1/18/2025 at 4:56 PM, RSD1 said:

The following is from a recent post by Sam Harris about the reckless and irresponsible behavior of Elon Musk during the pandemic. With his newly gained political influence and power, has Elon become an existential threat to humanity?
 

https://samharris.substack.com/p/the-trouble-with-elon
 

The Trouble with Elon

 

Sam Harris

JAN 16, 2025
 

I didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.

 

Of all the remarkable people I’ve met, Elon is probably the most likely to remain a world-historical figure—despite his best efforts to become a clown. He is also the most likely to squander his ample opportunities to live a happy life, ruin his reputation and most important relationships, and produce lasting harm across the globe. None of this was obvious to me when we first met, and I have been quite amazed at Elon’s evolution, both as a man and as an avatar of chaos. The friend I remember did not seem to hunger for public attention. But his engagement with Twitter/X transformed him—to a degree seldom seen outside of Marvel movies or Greek mythology. If Elon is still the man I knew, I can only conclude that I never really knew him.

 

When we first met, Elon wasn’t especially rich or famous. In fact, I recall him teetering on the brink of bankruptcy around 2008, while risking the last of his previous fortune to make payroll at Tesla. At the time, he was living off loans from his friends Larry and Sergey. Once Elon became truly famous, and his personal wealth achieved escape velocity, I was among the first friends he called to discuss his growing security concerns. I put him in touch with Gavin de Becker, who provided his first bodyguards, and recommended other changes to his life. We also went shooting on at least two occasions with Scott Reitz, the finest firearms instructor I’ve ever met. It is an ugly irony that Elon’s repeated targeting of me on Twitter/X has increased my own security concerns. He understands this, of course, but does not seem to care.

 

So how did we fall out? Let this be a cautionary tale for any of Elon’s friends who might be tempted to tell the great man something he doesn’t want to hear:

 

1. When the SARS-CoV-2 virus first invaded our lives in March of 2020, Elon began tweeting in ways that I feared would harm his reputation. I also worried that his tweets might exacerbate the coming public-health emergency. Italy had already fallen off a cliff, and Elon shared the following opinion with his tens of millions of fans :

 

the coronavirus panic is dumb

 

As a concerned friend, I sent him a private text:

 

Hey, brother— I really think you need to walk back your coronavirus tweet. I know there’s a way to parse it that makes sense (“panic” is always dumb), but I fear that’s not the way most people are reading it. You have an enormous platform, and much of the world looks to you as an authority on all things technical. Coronavirus is a very big deal, and if we don’t get our act together, we’re going to look just like Italy very soon. If you want to turn some engineers loose on the problem, now would be a good time for a breakthrough in the production of ventilators...

 

2. Elon’s response was, I believe, the first discordant note ever struck in our friendship:

 

Sam, you of all people should not be concerned about this.

 

He included a link to a page on the CDC website, indicating that Covid was not even among the top 100 causes of death in the United States. This was a patently silly point to make in the first days of a pandemic.

 

We continued exchanging texts for at least two hours. If I hadn’t known that I was communicating with Elon Musk, I would have thought I was debating someone who lacked any understanding of basic scientific and mathematical concepts, like exponential curves.

 

3. Elon and I didn’t converge on a common view of epidemiology over the course of those two hours, but we hit upon a fun compromise: A wager. Elon bet me $1 million dollars (to be given to charity) against a bottle of fancy tequila ($1000) that we wouldn’t see as many as 35,000 cases of Covid in the United States (cases, not deaths). The terms of the bet reflected what was, in his estimation, the near certainty (1000 to 1) that he was right. Having already heard credible estimates that there could be 1 million deaths from Covid in the U.S. over the next 12-18 months (these estimates proved fairly accurate), I thought the terms of the bet ridiculous—and quite unfair to Elon. I offered to spot him two orders of magnitude: I was confident that we’d soon have 3.5 million cases of Covid in the U.S. Elon accused me of having lost my mind and insisted that we stick with a ceiling of 35,000.

 

4. We communicated sporadically by text over the next couple of weeks, while the number of reported cases grew. Ominously, Elon dismissed the next batch of data reported by the CDC as merely presumptive—while confirmed cases of Covid, on his account, remained elusive.

 

5. A few weeks later, when the CDC website finally reported 35,000 deaths from Covid in the U.S. and 600,000 cases, I sent Elon the following text:

 

Is (35,000 deaths + 600,000 cases) > 35,000 cases?

 

6. This text appears to have ended our friendship. Elon never responded, and it was not long before he began maligning me on Twitter for a variety of imaginary offenses. For my part, I eventually started complaining about the startling erosion of his integrity on my podcast, without providing any detail about what had transpired between us.

 

7. At the end of 2022, I abandoned Twitter/X altogether, having recognized the poisonous effect that it had on my life—but also, in large part, because of what I saw it doing to Elon. I’ve been away from the platform for over two years, and yet Elon still attacks me. Occasionally a friend will tell me that I’m trending there, and the reasons for this are never good. As recently as this week, Elon repeated a defamatory charge about my being a “hypocrite” for writing a book in defense of honesty and then encouraging people to lie to keep Donald Trump out of the White House. Not only have I never advocated lying to defeat Trump (despite what that misleading clip from the Triggernometry podcast might suggest to naive viewers), I’ve taken great pains to defend Trump from the most damaging lie ever told about him. Elon knows this, because we communicated about the offending clip when it first appeared on Twitter/X. However, he simply does not care that he is defaming a former friend to hundreds of millions of people—many of whom are mentally unstable. On this occasion, he even tagged the incoming president of the United States.

 

All of this remains socially and professionally awkward, because Elon and I still have many friends in common. Which suggests the terms of another wager that I would happily make, if such a thing were possible—and I would accept 1000 to 1 odds in Elon’s favor:

 

I bet that anyone who knows us both knows that I am telling the truth.

 

Everyone close to Elon must recognize how unethical he has become, and yet they remain silent. Their complicity is understandable, but it is depressing all the same. These otherwise serious and compassionate people know that when Elon attacks private citizens on Twitter/X—falsely accusing them of crimes or corruption, celebrating their misfortunes—he is often causing tangible harm in their lives. It’s probably still true to say that social media “isn’t real life,” until thousands of lunatics learn your home address.

 

A final absurdity in my case, is that several of the controversial issues that Elon has hurled himself at of late—and even attacked me over—are ones we agree about. We seem to be in near total alignment on immigration and the problems at the southern border of the U.S. We also share the same concerns about what he calls “the woke mind virus.” And we fully agree about the manifest evil of the so-called “grooming-gangs scandal” in the U.K. The problem with Elon, is that he makes no effort to get his facts straight when discussing any of these topics, and he regularly promotes lies and conspiracy theories manufactured by known bad actors, at scale. (And if grooming were really one of his concerns, it’s strange that he couldn’t find anything wrong with Matt Gaetz.)

 

Elon and I even agree about the foundational importance of free speech. It’s just that his approach to safeguarding it—amplifying the influence of psychopaths and psychotics, while deplatforming real journalists and his own critics; or savaging the reputations of democratic leaders, while never saying a harsh word about the Chinese Communist Party—is not something I can support. The man claims to have principles, but he appears to have only moods and impulses.

 

Any dispassionate observer of Elon’s behavior on Twitter/X can see that there is something seriously wrong with his moral compass, if not his perception of reality. There is simply no excuse for a person with his talents, resources, and opportunities to create so much pointless noise. The callousness and narcissism conveyed by his antics should be impossible for his real friends to ignore—but they appear to keep silent, perhaps for fear of losing access to his orbit of influence.

 

Of course, none of this is to deny that the tens of thousands of brilliant engineers Elon employs are accomplishing extraordinary things. He really is the greatest entrepreneur of our generation. And because of the businesses he’s built, he will likely become the world’s first trillionaire—perhaps very soon. Since the election of Donald Trump in November, Elon’s wealth has grown by around $200 billion. That’s nearly $3 billion a day (and over $100 million an hour). Such astonishing access to resources gives Elon the chance—and many would argue the responsibility—to solve enormous problems in our world.

 

So why spend time spreading lies on X?

Despite Zuck, Bill Gates, Bezos and many more attending the Trump inauguration as well. Oh, and Soros is your hero…

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

I wonder how many people, Americans and others, realize that all of these incredible technologies he has announced were NOT invented by musk. He's an entrepreneur, he finances things so he takes the liberty of saying that these items are his inventions when thy are not.

 

I don't know all the details. But I am pretty sure we would not have had a modern electric car like the Tesla without him, at least not at that time. And probably rockets would still be as expensive as before when NASA built them.

So, all in all, Musk did a lot to advance modern technology.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The media only influences people if they use it. I stopped using the Media ( except for Al Jazeera which has no ads to speak of and this forum ), so it doesn't affect me much.

Media = newspapers, websites, TV, social media, and much more.

You can try to avoid mass media or mainstream media, but if you want to have an idea of what is going on in the world, how do you inform yourself.

 

I think the best we can do is to read/listen to many media sources and don't believe everything they say.

I think at the end of the day we will never know the whole truth about many events. 

We can be more of less sure about some details, but not so sure about other details.

 

[rudi49jr]

It’s not just Elon Musk, it’s (almost) every ridiculously rich billionaire, and big corporations. Their interests are diametrically opposed to that of ‘the common man/woman’. They have power and money and will do literally anything to hang on to that, or to get even more power and money. If that means that Joe Schmoe can’t have a liveable wage, or universal health care, or affordable housing or whatever, then so be it, they really don’t give two hoots. 

[Mad Mustang]

Go Elon. I would rather see his success than the likes of the crooks running Vanguard and Black Rock. And the fact that time has proven that much about the so called pandemic and the resultant jibby jab was significantly BS should wake lots of people up. Harris is little more than a disgruntled butt hurt lefty.

[Watawattana]

On 1/18/2025 at 5:56 PM, RSD1 said:

The following is from a recent post by Sam Harris about the reckless and irresponsible behavior of Elon Musk during the pandemic. With his newly gained political influence and power, has Elon become an existential threat to humanity?
 

https://samharris.substack.com/p/the-trouble-with-elon
 

The Trouble with Elon

 

Sam Harris

JAN 16, 2025
 

I didn’t set out to become an enemy of the world’s richest man, but I seem to have managed it all the same. Until this moment, I’ve resisted describing my falling out with Elon Musk in much detail, but as the man’s cultural influence has metastasized—and he continues to spread lies about me on the social media platform that he owns (Twitter/X)—it seems only appropriate to set the record straight. I know that it annoys many in my audience to see me defend myself against attacks that they recognize to be spurious, but they might, nevertheless, find the details of what happened with Elon interesting.

 

Of all the remarkable people I’ve met, Elon is probably the most likely to remain a world-historical figure—despite his best efforts to become a clown. He is also the most likely to squander his ample opportunities to live a happy life, ruin his reputation and most important relationships, and produce lasting harm across the globe. None of this was obvious to me when we first met, and I have been quite amazed at Elon’s evolution, both as a man and as an avatar of chaos. The friend I remember did not seem to hunger for public attention. But his engagement with Twitter/X transformed him—to a degree seldom seen outside of Marvel movies or Greek mythology. If Elon is still the man I knew, I can only conclude that I never really knew him.

 

When we first met, Elon wasn’t especially rich or famous. In fact, I recall him teetering on the brink of bankruptcy around 2008, while risking the last of his previous fortune to make payroll at Tesla. At the time, he was living off loans from his friends Larry and Sergey. Once Elon became truly famous, and his personal wealth achieved escape velocity, I was among the first friends he called to discuss his growing security concerns. I put him in touch with Gavin de Becker, who provided his first bodyguards, and recommended other changes to his life. We also went shooting on at least two occasions with Scott Reitz, the finest firearms instructor I’ve ever met. It is an ugly irony that Elon’s repeated targeting of me on Twitter/X has increased my own security concerns. He understands this, of course, but does not seem to care.

 

So how did we fall out? Let this be a cautionary tale for any of Elon’s friends who might be tempted to tell the great man something he doesn’t want to hear:

 

1. When the SARS-CoV-2 virus first invaded our lives in March of 2020, Elon began tweeting in ways that I feared would harm his reputation. I also worried that his tweets might exacerbate the coming public-health emergency. Italy had already fallen off a cliff, and Elon shared the following opinion with his tens of millions of fans :

 

the coronavirus panic is dumb

 

As a concerned friend, I sent him a private text:

 

Hey, brother— I really think you need to walk back your coronavirus tweet. I know there’s a way to parse it that makes sense (“panic” is always dumb), but I fear that’s not the way most people are reading it. You have an enormous platform, and much of the world looks to you as an authority on all things technical. Coronavirus is a very big deal, and if we don’t get our act together, we’re going to look just like Italy very soon. If you want to turn some engineers loose on the problem, now would be a good time for a breakthrough in the production of ventilators...

 

2. Elon’s response was, I believe, the first discordant note ever struck in our friendship:

 

Sam, you of all people should not be concerned about this.

 

He included a link to a page on the CDC website, indicating that Covid was not even among the top 100 causes of death in the United States. This was a patently silly point to make in the first days of a pandemic.

 

We continued exchanging texts for at least two hours. If I hadn’t known that I was communicating with Elon Musk, I would have thought I was debating someone who lacked any understanding of basic scientific and mathematical concepts, like exponential curves.

 

3. Elon and I didn’t converge on a common view of epidemiology over the course of those two hours, but we hit upon a fun compromise: A wager. Elon bet me $1 million dollars (to be given to charity) against a bottle of fancy tequila ($1000) that we wouldn’t see as many as 35,000 cases of Covid in the United States (cases, not deaths). The terms of the bet reflected what was, in his estimation, the near certainty (1000 to 1) that he was right. Having already heard credible estimates that there could be 1 million deaths from Covid in the U.S. over the next 12-18 months (these estimates proved fairly accurate), I thought the terms of the bet ridiculous—and quite unfair to Elon. I offered to spot him two orders of magnitude: I was confident that we’d soon have 3.5 million cases of Covid in the U.S. Elon accused me of having lost my mind and insisted that we stick with a ceiling of 35,000.

 

4. We communicated sporadically by text over the next couple of weeks, while the number of reported cases grew. Ominously, Elon dismissed the next batch of data reported by the CDC as merely presumptive—while confirmed cases of Covid, on his account, remained elusive.

 

5. A few weeks later, when the CDC website finally reported 35,000 deaths from Covid in the U.S. and 600,000 cases, I sent Elon the following text:

 

Is (35,000 deaths + 600,000 cases) > 35,000 cases?

 

6. This text appears to have ended our friendship. Elon never responded, and it was not long before he began maligning me on Twitter for a variety of imaginary offenses. For my part, I eventually started complaining about the startling erosion of his integrity on my podcast, without providing any detail about what had transpired between us.

 

7. At the end of 2022, I abandoned Twitter/X altogether, having recognized the poisonous effect that it had on my life—but also, in large part, because of what I saw it doing to Elon. I’ve been away from the platform for over two years, and yet Elon still attacks me. Occasionally a friend will tell me that I’m trending there, and the reasons for this are never good. As recently as this week, Elon repeated a defamatory charge about my being a “hypocrite” for writing a book in defense of honesty and then encouraging people to lie to keep Donald Trump out of the White House. Not only have I never advocated lying to defeat Trump (despite what that misleading clip from the Triggernometry podcast might suggest to naive viewers), I’ve taken great pains to defend Trump from the most damaging lie ever told about him. Elon knows this, because we communicated about the offending clip when it first appeared on Twitter/X. However, he simply does not care that he is defaming a former friend to hundreds of millions of people—many of whom are mentally unstable. On this occasion, he even tagged the incoming president of the United States.

 

All of this remains socially and professionally awkward, because Elon and I still have many friends in common. Which suggests the terms of another wager that I would happily make, if such a thing were possible—and I would accept 1000 to 1 odds in Elon’s favor:

 

I bet that anyone who knows us both knows that I am telling the truth.

 

Everyone close to Elon must recognize how unethical he has become, and yet they remain silent. Their complicity is understandable, but it is depressing all the same. These otherwise serious and compassionate people know that when Elon attacks private citizens on Twitter/X—falsely accusing them of crimes or corruption, celebrating their misfortunes—he is often causing tangible harm in their lives. It’s probably still true to say that social media “isn’t real life,” until thousands of lunatics learn your home address.

 

A final absurdity in my case, is that several of the controversial issues that Elon has hurled himself at of late—and even attacked me over—are ones we agree about. We seem to be in near total alignment on immigration and the problems at the southern border of the U.S. We also share the same concerns about what he calls “the woke mind virus.” And we fully agree about the manifest evil of the so-called “grooming-gangs scandal” in the U.K. The problem with Elon, is that he makes no effort to get his facts straight when discussing any of these topics, and he regularly promotes lies and conspiracy theories manufactured by known bad actors, at scale. (And if grooming were really one of his concerns, it’s strange that he couldn’t find anything wrong with Matt Gaetz.)

 

Elon and I even agree about the foundational importance of free speech. It’s just that his approach to safeguarding it—amplifying the influence of psychopaths and psychotics, while deplatforming real journalists and his own critics; or savaging the reputations of democratic leaders, while never saying a harsh word about the Chinese Communist Party—is not something I can support. The man claims to have principles, but he appears to have only moods and impulses.

 

Any dispassionate observer of Elon’s behavior on Twitter/X can see that there is something seriously wrong with his moral compass, if not his perception of reality. There is simply no excuse for a person with his talents, resources, and opportunities to create so much pointless noise. The callousness and narcissism conveyed by his antics should be impossible for his real friends to ignore—but they appear to keep silent, perhaps for fear of losing access to his orbit of influence.

 

Of course, none of this is to deny that the tens of thousands of brilliant engineers Elon employs are accomplishing extraordinary things. He really is the greatest entrepreneur of our generation. And because of the businesses he’s built, he will likely become the world’s first trillionaire—perhaps very soon. Since the election of Donald Trump in November, Elon’s wealth has grown by around $200 billion. That’s nearly $3 billion a day (and over $100 million an hour). Such astonishing access to resources gives Elon the chance—and many would argue the responsibility—to solve enormous problems in our world.

 

So why spend time spreading lies on X?

No.

[SiSePuede419]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

He is an African American. 

Maybe not if he got his American citizenship by lying.  Say for example, saying he was going to come to America to attend Stanford, but never enrolling because his real intention was to WORK ILLEGALLY by starting a company in California using Mommy and Daddy's gemstone mine money.

That would be wrong!

We all know how Republicans are against illegal immigrants.

Send them home, right? 👍 💯 😭

[JensenZ]

 

On 1/18/2025 at 5:36 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

We can't predict the future.

One big problem is that as far as I know no private person was ever as rich as Musk. 

How can we or anybody else guess what is on that guy's mind. I read somewhere that if 1 meter would be 1 dollar then he would have enough money for the distance to Mars and back. That is soooooooo much money that nobody can really understand it.

So, what will Musk do? What is on his mind? There is nobody who we can ask who might know.

Currently, Musk is worth $433.9 billion (real-time updated), nearly $200 billion more than the next wealthiest. It fluctuates wildly as most of his wealth is in stocks.

 

BTW, if you had a dollar for every meter to Mars and back, you'd have anywhere from $109 billion (Bill Gates) to $802 billion (nearly twice the wealth of Musk). It's not a good analogy because the distance of Mars varies from 54.6 billion meters to 401 billion meters depending on where it is in its orbit around the Sun.

 

Here's a more interesting way to visualize $433.9 billion. At the current world's population estimate of 8.201 billion, that's enough money to give every human $52.9, or closer to home, 208,000 baht to every person in Thailand. (pop 71.64 million, ex rate 34.35).

 

Why can't you understand billions when the US government plays around with trillions? The total income for the US government in fiscal year 2024 was $4.92 trillion. The US debt is currently 36.4 trillion.

 

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

You have to give credit to an entrepreneur who risks (wastes/spends) $44 billion to buy Twitter, just so he can have a way to communicate to the world without the Left interfering. It was a stroke of brilliance. Of course, the Trump-hating Left will go after anyone associated with Trump, by default. When he buys TikTok, the haters will really start to panic.

 

 

[PomPolo]

3 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

When he buys TikTok, the haters will really start to panic

That deals probably already been done under the table with TikTok shutting down in the US yesterday and the incoming Trump

[PomPolo]

Not much different to Putins oligarchs really if you think about it

[Will B Good]

8 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Not much different to Putins oligarchs really if you think about it

 

I guess the only difference is....... even Trump wouldn't have Musk killed once he's fed up of him......whereas Putin wouldn't hesitate???

[JensenZ]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

I guess the only difference is....... even Trump wouldn't have Musk killed once he's fed up of him......whereas Putin wouldn't hesitate???

Who else did Trump kill, if he "even wouldn't have Musk killed"?

[rattlesnake]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Actually, it isn't funny. That is the problem.

 

It's very funny to me that so many people suddenly take offence at billionnaires getting involved in politics just because Trump is doing it.

[JensenZ]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It's very funny to me that so many people suddenly take offence at billionnaires getting involved in politics just because Trump is doing it.

It seems this forum has a lot of Musk haters. I noted that during the Cave Incident in June-July 2018. At that time Musk wasn't anywhere near the world's wealthiest, with a mere $20 billion to his name.

[Will B Good]

11 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Who else did Trump kill, if he "even wouldn't have Musk killed"?

 

?

[JensenZ]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

?

If "Even Trump" wouldn't kill Musk, that suggests Trump is a killer, who would restrain himself from killing Musk.

[Will B Good]

Just now, JensenZ said:

If "Even Trump" wouldn't kill Musk, that suggests Trump is a killer, who would restrain himself from killing Musk.

 

Not really....but good effort.....is English your first language?

[JensenZ]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

Not really....but good effort.....is English your first language?

I'd say you're the one with the English comprehension problem. Try reading your comment again

[Will B Good]

Just now, JensenZ said:

I'd say you're the one with the English comprehension problem. Try reading your comment again

 

 

Whatevs

[OneMoreFarang]

41 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

Of course, the Trump-hating Left will go after anyone associated with Trump, by default.

Let's see how that will work out.

I don't think that Musk is impressed by Donald's IQ or his deal making or consistency.

It seems to me Musk is opportunistic with Trump. For how long? I don't know. But I would be very surprised if that will go on for more than a year. Both have a huge ego, and both often talk (twitter) before they think.

[JensenZ]

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Whatevs

You're the one calling to question your reader's English skills.

 

Let me spell it out:

 

Even Trump (who often kills people) wouldn't have Musk killed if he was fed up with him.  

 

That's the way it comes across.

[OneMoreFarang]

15 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

It seems this forum has a lot of Musk haters. I noted that during the Cave Incident in June-July 2018. At that time Musk wasn't anywhere near the world's wealthiest, with a mere $20 billion to his name.

 

I don't hate Musk, but I was also critical of him at that time. Musk is smart, but sometimes he thinks he is a lot smarter than he actually is. His submarine idea was stupid, and when he was criticized, he called his opponent a pedophile. Is that what grown up people do? No! 

It seems to many celebrities think if they are famous for one or two things, then they know everything and have to tell the world what to do here and there and everywhere. They should just shut up and concentrate on the things which they actually good at.

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

You're the one calling to question your reader's English skills.

 

Let me spell it out:

 

Even Trump (who often kills people) wouldn't have Musk killed if he was fed up with him.  

 

That's the way it comes across.

 

In the pecking order of trolls you really need to be trying much harder....you are way down the league table.....Man City-ish.

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

You're the one calling to question your reader's English skills.

 

Let me spell it out:

 

Even Trump (who often kills people) wouldn't have Musk killed if he was fed up with him.  

 

That's the way it comes across.

That is the way you interpret it. That is your problem. 

[Will B Good]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

That is the way you interpret it. That is your problem. 

 

Cheers.

[JensenZ]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I don't hate Musk, but I was also critical of him at that time. Musk is smart, but sometimes he thinks he is a lot smarter than he actually is. His submarine idea was stupid, and when he was criticized, he called his opponent a pedophile. Is that what grown up people do? No! 

It seems to many celebrities think if they are famous for one or two things, then they know everything and have to tell the world what to do here and there and everywhere. They should just shut up and concentrate on the things which they actually good at.

I think you can comment on Musk's intelligence and skills once you manage to reach your first billion. You misinterpreted his effort to help in the caves, because you hate him, as many others did. You're giving your biased spin on the story. Everyone has outbursts on occasion, his opponent deserved it at that time. His opponent wanted fame, Musk was only interested in helping.

[sureno]

On 1/18/2025 at 7:19 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I saw an interview with him (I don't remember from how long ago) that his intention is free speech, to allow all speech which is legal and only delete what is illegal. In a way I understand this. Twitter was as some stage very much left. And as Musk said, from that perspective any change is a change to the right.

 

The bigger problem with him, with X and with people like Trump is that too many people listen to them and think they are the smart guys, and they must all know the truth and tell us the truth. Musk owning X and writing constantly whatever enters his mind would be no problem if not millions of people would read it like the gospel.

Elon Musk said it, so it must be true. Really?

If I would want to know something about electric cars, then I would listen what he has to say, and I would also listen to other specialists.

If I want to know about UK grooming gangs, then certainly I would not rely on Musk or whatever Nigel Farange or Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon told him. And with many other subjects it the same. It's like Hollywood stars talking about politics. Just shut up about things which you don't know anything about.

Who would you rely on to hear about things like U.K. grooming gangs if you don’t want to hear from the people you mention? Isn’t that the base of personal learning and development ? Do you only ever listen to who you judge to be “specialist ”? (Usually code for…people who align with my way of thinking)
 

Doesn’t like that “too many people listen to them”….listen to folk he doesn’t like.
 

Doesn’t want to hear ideas and arguments that he doesn’t personally like?
 

That leaves….?

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