Tax files

[newbee2022]

I went today to the tax office and collected attached forms.

It was interesting that the Lady was surprised to see me. Though I can understand it was about paying taxes.

The day before she explained that explicit "state" pensions are tax-free, but "private" pensions are taxable.

Chiang Mai.

[Will B Good]

 

 

Any mention of government pensions?

[Will B Good]

Second page, item 7.....do not like the look of that!!!!

[oldcpu]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

I went today to the tax office and collected attached forms.

It was interesting that the Lady was surprised to see me. Though I can understand it was about paying taxes.

The day before she explained that explicit "state" pensions are tax-free, but "private" pensions are taxable.

Chiang Mai.

 

 

 

 

 

 That looks like the year 2023 tax return form.

 

Its not the year 2024 tax return form.

 

So when she stated "state" pensions are tax-free to you, I assume by that she meant, they are not to be included on the tax return form as they are non-assessable income.

 

The nation of your pension ? (apologies if you told me earlier and I forgot).  A lot as to what is tax exempt depends  on the source country of one's income.

 

Edit: The year 2023 tax forms can also be downloaded from here: https://www.rd.go.th/english/65308.html

[newbee2022]

7 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

 That looks like the year 2023 tax return form.

 

Its not the year 2024 tax return form.

 

So when she stated "state" pensions are tax-free to you, I assume by that she meant, they are not to be included on the tax return form as they are non-assessable income.

 

The nation of your pension ? (apologies if you told me earlier and I forgot).  A lot as to what is tax exempt depends  on the source country of one's income.

 

Edit: The year 2023 tax forms can also be downloaded from here: https://www.rd.go.th/english/65308.html

If you know everything please don't ask me. And your comments about the remarks of the officer are senseless

[Digitalbanana]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Second page, item 7.....do not like the look of that!!!!

It says "by the Thai Embassy located in Thailand"?

[oldcpu]

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Second page, item 7.....do not like the look of that!!!!

 

I'm not surprised too much there ... if they are to process a tax return form from a foreigner, they prefer the language of any supporting documentation to be in Thai language (and to keep one honest they wish the translation to be certified).

 

Pardon me if I laugh a bit ... but this is going to be most interesting to watch all of this unfold ...

 

I think it drives home the point ... check one's DTA and be certain one needs to pay tax to Thailand (for if tax exempt in Thailand it may not be appropriate to put in a Thai tax return).

 

... and also understand the implications of Thai RD ministerial interpretation por.161/162 and whether one can make the case that remitted money to Thailand in year 2024 was actually pre-1-Jan-2024 savings/income, only recently in 2024 tax year remitted (and hence tax exempt and hence not appropriate for a Thai tax return).

[newbee2022]

10 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

I'm not surprised too much there ... if they are to process a tax return form from a foreigner, they prefer the language of any supporting documentation to be in Thai language (and to keep one honest they wish the translation to be certified).

That's wrong what you write. The tax office accept eg your bank statement in Thai or English.

A certified translation of supporting documents is not required.

[Will B Good]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

That's wrong what you write. The tax office accept eg your bank statement in Thai or English.

A certified translation of supporting documents is not required.

 

But that's not what item 7, page two says????

[oldcpu]

24 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

And your comments about the remarks of the officer are senseless

 

What part of the reply I made don't you understand?

 

There is a discussion going on in this forum about whether non-taxable (ie tax free) remitted foreign income should be treated as assessable tax exempt income (and hence included on a tax form) , or treated as non-assessable income (and hence not included on a tax form).

 

I interpret the RD official , by stating that "state pensions" are tax free, she means it should not be included on a Thai tax return.  But you did not type that and I am curious if she stated that.  If she did, that would support the view that such a state pension is non-assessable and should not be included on a tax return.

[oldcpu]

6 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That's wrong what you write. The tax office accept eg your bank statement in Thai or English.

A certified translation of supporting documents is not required.

 

Its possible whether a non-Thai language statement is accepted could be up to the local RD office. 

 

Frankly I don't know, but I suspect each RD office has flexibility in its requirements and hence by having such in print it means if they are short of staff and don't have enough staff familiar with English language, they can insist on only Thai language.

 

[Guavaman]

21 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

Frankly I don't know, but I suspect each RD office has flexibility in its requirements and hence by having such in print it means if they are short of staff and don't have enough staff familiar with English language, they can insist on only Thai language.

 

This is the second report of a tax office providing the document titled: Case: Taxation of Foreigners; this time from Chiang Mai, while the first report did not mention the province.

 

This might indicate that this document with these instructions are the RD's handout provided to the local tax offices for distribution to foreign tax payers.  Could this be the long-awaited (by some) additional details provided by the RD?

 

[newbee2022]

27 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

 

What part of the reply I made don't you understand?

 

There is a discussion going on in this forum about whether non-taxable (ie tax free) remitted foreign income should be treated as assessable tax exempt income (and hence included on a tax form) , or treated as non-assessable income (and hence not included on a tax form).

 

I interpret the RD official , by stating that "state pensions" are tax free, she means it should not be included on a Thai tax return.  But you did not type that and I am curious if she stated that.  If she did, that would support the view that such a state pension is non-assessable and should not be included on a tax return.

Sorry, I can only repeat what the officer told me. For you, I suppose it's the best to go by yourself. Then you don't need to use assumptions which will lead to nowhere 

[newbee2022]

Just now, Guavaman said:

 

This is the second report of a tax office providing the document titled: Case: Taxation of Foreigners; this time from Chiang Mai, while the first report did not mention the province.

 

This might indicate that this document with these instructions are the RD's handout provided to the local tax offices for distribution to foreign tax payers.  Could this be the long-awaited (by some) additional details provided by the RD?

 

I can tell you that the officer did not expect many farangs

[4myr]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

I went today to the tax office and collected attached forms.

It was interesting that the Lady was surprised to see me. Though I can understand it was about paying taxes.

The day before she explained that explicit "state" pensions are tax-free, but "private" pensions are taxable.

Chiang Mai.

 

If I understand you correctly, you came the second time to collect the tax forms, because of what the lady explained the day before, you need to file a tax return as your pension is taxable.

 

Did she explained also that some income is not taxable, like if you send savings from before 2024, it is tax free? Because page 2, item 3 assumes any money you send, is seen as non tax free.

[newbee2022]

7 minutes ago, 4myr said:

 

If I understand you correctly, you came the second time to collect the tax forms, because of what the lady explained the day before, you need to file a tax return as your pension is taxable.

 

Did she explained also that some income is not taxable, like if you send savings from before 2024, it is tax free? Because page 2, item 3 assumes any money you send, is seen as non tax free.

She told me, only the money what came into Thailand in 2024 is taxable. If this source is state pension only it's tax free

[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, Digitalbanana said:

It says "by the Thai Embassy located in Thailand"?

Yes, and when you find it, can you post on here where it is so we will all know where it is.