1 hour ago, TorquayFan said:

Reading these threads can drive me to despair.

 

Many times Zelensky has explained why he dresses that way.

 

WTF has it got to do with anyone else ?

 

Think !!

Yes, he has.

 

And, he ALSO has to consider what is more important to him, his 'solidarity sweatshirt' or getting a deal to stop the war in his country.  It appears that he chose the former. 

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, he has.

 

And, he ALSO has to consider what is more important to him, his 'solidarity sweatshirt' or getting a deal to stop the war in his country.  It appears that he chose the former. 

What was the deal exactly? How would Trump have stopped the war if he had worn a suit?

Can you give details of this deal?

34 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

What was the deal exactly? How would Trump have stopped the war if he had worn a suit?

Can you give details of this deal?

I believe it was something along the lines of the Ukraine being expected to give up the lands  stolen by Russia and now illegally occupied, cede rights and income  to at least 50% of their resources to the USA in return for nothing and for no guarantees of security. In effect Trump was trying to bully a vulnerable country.

 

The USA encouraged Ukraine and willingly provided arms and supplies. Now all of a sudden  Trump  wants to make a retroactive claim for payment.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

I believe it was something along the lines of the Ukraine being expected to give up the lands  stolen by Russia and now illegally occupied, cede rights and income  to at least 50% of their resources to the USA in return for nothing and for no guarantees of security. In effect Trump was trying to bully a vulnerable country.

 

The USA encouraged Ukraine and willingly provided arms and supplies. Now all of a sudden  Trump  wants to make a retroactive claim for payment.

Yes indeed. But can't wait for Hanaguma's insight as he knows about "the deal" that was scuppered by a choice of clothes.

America is literally being laughed at by most of the rest of the world.

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, he has.

 

And, he ALSO has to consider what is more important to him, his 'solidarity sweatshirt' or getting a deal to stop the war in his country.  It appears that he chose the former. 

Grasping at straws now, assuming the outcome of such a meeting would hinge around how people are dressed makes you as stupid as your fan boy and his pet poodle. 

 

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes indeed. But can't wait for Hanaguma's insight as he knows about "the deal" that was scuppered by a choice of clothes.

America is literally being laughed at by most of the rest of the world.

Together with a very large number of Americans hanging their heads in shame for the stupidity of their president and his pet poodle for the treatment of the president of another country. 

Absolute low class shameful behaviour. 

On 3/3/2025 at 8:38 AM, Harrisfan said:

The little man in black?

 

No.

Robin Hood in Tights

 

12 hours ago, Dan O said:

 

Z did the right thing. He stopped Vance and Trump from the lies in the press conference about a "peace agreement" that had no details but wanted him to sign it and say thank you.  

 

Would you go to a meeting a bank called about buying a house and sign a purchase agreement that didn't list the amounts you were paying, the length of loan, the monthly payment schedule or the address of the house and just take the word of the bank it would be ok to fill those details in after you sign? That's exactly what Trump tried to do and said and Z corrected him.

 

Did you even watch the press conference?

Pay absolutely no attention to this poster - just a fanboy, that means no critical thinking on the subject. 

2 hours ago, Artisi said:

Pay absolutely no attention to this poster - just a fanboy, that means no critical thinking on the subject. 

No idea

Z folded his cards

3 hours ago, Artisi said:

Together with a very large number of Americans hanging their heads in shame for the stupidity of their president and his pet poodle for the treatment of the president of another country. 

Absolute low class shameful behaviour. 

Only leftists who get 1 thing right in 9 years. That's why you hang your heads in shame. You lot are a national disgrace with your hate. Traitors to your own country.

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes indeed. But can't wait for Hanaguma's insight as he knows about "the deal" that was scuppered by a choice of clothes.

America is literally being laughed at by most of the rest of the world.

Z is signing on. Egg on face lefties big time like 2024 election. 

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

What was the deal exactly? How would Trump have stopped the war if he had worn a suit?

Can you give details of this deal?

Ask Z. How many times can you lefties be wrong and still pretend to have a clue? 9 years of having no idea. 

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Ask Z. How many times can you lefties be wrong and still pretend to have a clue? 9 years of having no idea. 

Much as I shouldn't give you the opportunity to add to your absolutely ridiculous post count, you just ignored the question and spat out the usual stupid cliches.

What was the deal? Details?

Amazing that none of you can answer as you all seem to know his sweatshirt scuppered this fantastic war ending deal - just you don't know what it was.

Just now, josephbloggs said:

Much as I shouldn't give you the opportunity to add to your absolutely ridiculous post count, you just ignored the question and spat out the usual stupid cliches.

What was the deal? Details?

Amazing that none of you can answer as you all seem to know his sweatshirt scuppered this fantastic war ending deal.

Still whingeing. You guys really are miserable. If Trump cured cancer you would still complain.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Still whingeing. You guys really are miserable. If Trump cured cancer you would still complain.

Details of the deal seem to be missing again.

Just now, josephbloggs said:

Details of the deal seem to be missing again.

Still whingeing 

14 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Still deflecting madly I see. If you want to start a discussion about Musk's fashion sense, be my guest.  But it bears no relevance here. 

 

Musk is not a national leader. He was not invited to a formal meeting with the President in the Oval Office.  And, most importantly, he is not begging for billions of dollars.  Zelinsky is ALL of those things. 

 

And his choice of attire said a lot about his attitude. And that attitude was on display in the meeting. He is arrogant enough to contradict and argue with the President of the United States, in front of the world press, in the President's Oval Office.  Now, that may be good for Zelinsky's fanboys but it is NOT good for his country. 

I gave you another larf.............😂

 

You quote arrogant, chummy, it is you that is arrogant, Zel was face to face with a fruitcake felon, who was showing how much of a fruitcake he is, an embarrassment to the USA.

 

But, you carry on at Trumps shoulder, though, be careful, his antics may come and bite you.......😱

 

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Still whingeing. You guys really are miserable. If Trump cured cancer you would still complain.

When he cures cancer, I'll let you know.

6 hours ago, Artisi said:

Pay absolutely no attention to this poster - just a fanboy, that means no critical thinking on the subject. 

Cry much? No fanboy of anyone just like to use facts and truth not lies and misleading information. 

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Still whingeing. You guys really are miserable. If Trump cured cancer you would still complain.

He cures constipation without too much trouble by giving the majority of people the sh1ts. 

1 minute ago, Artisi said:

He cures constipation without too much trouble by giving the majority of people the sh1ts. 

He does not affect you. 

44 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

When he cures cancer, I'll let you know.

You guys drink poison then expect Trump to get ill. Enjoy Thailand.

14 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

 

A few days later, Zelensky figured out rather than trying to put together ripostes in his third language, he'll take the cue of Macron who speaks excellent English, but speaks often in French when he wants to. If Zelensky had responded to Vance in Ukrainian, most of that stupidity from the VP wouldn't have been seen as he struggled with his earpiece.

 

 

There is video of this press conference, we can all see what happened. Whilst Zelensky's English was poor and it did not help, his point came over clearly. He was trying to argue with JD Vance, who had just given his view that diplomacy is the best option. Zelensky was accusing Russia of breaking prior agreements made. What he didn't say of course was that it was Ukraine who had repeatedly broken agreements with Russia first, there were many of them. But anyway, it was very clear that Zelensky was accusing JD Vance, and by implication Trump who made the point about diplomacy being important first, of being naive and that diplomacy is useless because Russia never keeps any agreement. 

 

In fact Russia has been one of the most reliable partners internationally, and kept the SALT agreements for instance, when the US did not, and among the long list of agreements between Ukraine and Russia it was Ukraine who failed to keep agreements first.

 

The difference between Macron and Zelensky is that Macron's country is not being destroyed by Russia currently and he did not need billions in aid and security guarantees from the US. If Macron had needed those he certainly would have spoken English and been deferential to the President of the US, which was the only option really. Zelensky took the prime actor "me will argue in the spotlight" option and by doing so flushed his country down the toilet.

18 hours ago, rough diamond said:

Can you speak in any setting as well as he did, especially in a second language?

 

 

Yes I can, I am tri-lingual. I'm also a lawyer qualified in two countries. If I would talk in front of important people the way Zelensky did in the oval office I would hang my head in shame and consider myself a failure.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes I can, I am tri-lingual. I'm also a lawyer qualified in two countries. If I would talk in front of important people the way Zelensky did in the oval office I would hang my head in shame and consider myself a failure.

But you maybe an...............................🤭

 

Plus, you still have nothing, just pointless put-downs........

11 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

57 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

When he cures cancer, I'll let you know.

You guys drink poison then expect Trump to get ill. Enjoy Thailand.

Hey with RFK Jr. and his MAHA why should I not expect Trump will claim he's gonna cure cancer.

 

And I am not 'you guys' -- I was on here for almost a year saying that these Trump trials civil and criminal were a big mistake -- as many left-leaning legal scholars did also.

Just watching Trump's address of Congress.

 

Elon Musk is wearing a suit. 

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Just watching Trump's address of Congress.

 

Elon Musk is wearing a suit. 

Of course, his yobbo look has been pointed out, as I did to you yesterday.........😉

 

And Musk was told probably by Zelenskyy.........................🤣

Let's see if the Trump administration wants Saudi Arabia's King to wear a suit when he visits.

27 minutes ago, transam said:

Of course, his yobbo look has been pointed out, as I did to you yesterday.........😉

 

And Musk was told probably by Zelenskyy.........................🤣

Maybe they could use the same tailor?  Elon might even foot the bill!

 

Point being that Musk dressed for the occasion.  Zelensky did not.  And all your cheap deflection and obfuscation will not change that simple fact. Nor will it change the fact that Zelinsky is now pulling his horns in and recognizing reality.