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2 hours ago, Social Media said:

“Our most basic expectation of doctors is that they will perform their duties in an unbiased manner—especially a doctor serving a city as ethnically and religiously diverse as ours,” Vernikov told The Post.

Entirely reasonable.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Hey Europe, stop censoring people. 

J.D. Vance

Hey Purdey, stop over looking that it was a hospital decision and the support for the Terrorists Hamas. Its illegal.

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Well she said it herself. She doesn’t have a filter and that’s exactly what got her into this situation. Everyone has an opinion on everything, but most people know when to keep their opinions and comments to themselves. If she didn’t argue on social media and force her issues on others in very dark ways, especially flouting that she can’t be filtered, she may still have her job. I don’t want to believe that she would treat any patients differently, but she’s kinda made me wonder. I think that was enough for her peers to be wary and not take the chance. 

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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hey Purdey, stop over looking that it was a hospital decision and the support for the Terrorists Hamas. Its illegal.

No it's not. It could just be as easily construed as free speach.

 

From A.I.

 

'In the U.S., verbally supporting a designated foreign terrorist organization can be illegal under certain circumstances, specifically when the speech constitutes "material support" or is used to incite or facilitate terrorist acts, as outlined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A and § 2339B. The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339B and includes things like funds, training, safehouses, weapons, false documentation, and communications. 

 

Free Speech Considerations:

The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can outlaw material support to terrorist organizations, even in the form of speech, when that speech is not independent of the terrorist organization and is coordinated with them. Examples of Illegal Speech: Counsel, promotes, encourages, or urges anyone to commit a terrorist act. Provides instructions on how to commit a terrorist act. 

 

Now the only part she could be accused of providing material support for would be to 'Praise anyone for committing a terrorist act' but there also has to be 'a substantial risk that such praise may lead another person to commit a terrorist act.' None of which has been proven.  

 

And it wasn't just ' a hospital decision', it came after heavy pressure from City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov, a Brooklyn Republican.

 

If you want to have it your way then the US should start arresting anyone that espouses any support for white nationalism, supports the KKK, Aryan Nations or similar organisations that are categorised as domestic terrorism. 

 

And before anyone thinks I'm a fan of Hamas and that I think this woman wasn't just stipid for doing what she did, think again. I'm just more of a fan of TRUE free speach and fairness across the board.

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11 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

No it's not. It could just be as easily construed as free speach.

 

From A.I.

 

'In the U.S., verbally supporting a designated foreign terrorist organization can be illegal under certain circumstances, specifically when the speech constitutes "material support" or is used to incite or facilitate terrorist acts, as outlined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A and § 2339B. The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339B and includes things like funds, training, safehouses, weapons, false documentation, and communications. 

 

Free Speech Considerations:

The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress can outlaw material support to terrorist organizations, even in the form of speech, when that speech is not independent of the terrorist organization and is coordinated with them. Examples of Illegal Speech: Counsel, promotes, encourages, or urges anyone to commit a terrorist act. Provides instructions on how to commit a terrorist act. 

 

Now the only part she could be accused of providing material support for would be to 'Praise anyone for committing a terrorist act' but there also has to be 'a substantial risk that such praise may lead another person to commit a terrorist act.' None of which has been proven.  

 

And it wasn't just ' a hospital decision', it came after heavy pressure from City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov, a Brooklyn Republican.

 

If you want to have it your way then the US should start arresting anyone that espouses any support for white nationalism, supports the KKK, Aryan Nations or similar organisations that are categorised as domestic terrorism. 

 

And before anyone thinks I'm a fan of Hamas and that I think this woman wasn't just stipid for doing what she did, think again. I'm just more of a fan of TRUE free speach and fairness across the board.

I'll go with what the Justice dept says and then let the courts decide rather than Chat AI

 

The victims of Hamas's decades-long violent campaign of terrorism against Israel will always have the support of the U.S. government, and the Department will no longer permit illegal support of Hamas on our campuses and elsewhere in the homeland,” said Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-launch-joint-task-force-october-7

 

 

 

 

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Ok, let's   correct some errors first.

The individual is not a professor of medicine.  She is an inhouse hospital GP, and provides instruction for general staff. In that role she can influence or intimidate general staff such as nurses and orderlies with her political views. Staff members have previously complained about her politicking and at the hospital.

 

Mount Sinai is primarily a jewish hospital financed by the jewish community and that serves  the jewish community although it is non sectarian and has a diverse population and employee  base. It started out as a  hospital for indigent and marginalized members of the jewish community who could not obtain  access to health care elsewhere. It has since  kept that core value by providing subsidized and free care to marginalized communities of New York. It is one of the top rated hospitals in the state and relies on the Jewish community for much of its novel research  and free care funding.

 

And now along comes a person who threatens and intimidates  the very people who have given her a job for 14 years and who have an obligation to the emotional well being of vulnerable patients. She was previously asked to keep the hospital out of her political rants and refused.

 

3 hours ago, Purdey said:

Hey Europe, stop censoring people. 

J.D. Vance

 

No censorship. She violated the terms of her employment and ignored multiple warnings and cautions in respect to not hurting the hospital reputation or putting patients at fear for their safety. Her termination was not a sudden event. Mt. Sinais lawyers  went through a lengthy process to arrive at this  point.

 

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Yeah who needs people with different opinions to the powers that be. Whilst we are at it, let's deport the atheists, the flat earthers, the moon-landing deniers and the anti-vaxers. 

 

It's a VERY slippery slope to have people ostracised for their opinion. Christ, even the KKK are still allowed to talk in the US.  https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-kkk-today/

 

It was not a difference of opinions, Her  activist name is Jabal Musa  and she  endorses a group deemed a terrorist organization. She violated her employment terms and conditions in particular not to politicize her workplace.  

 

Not mentioned is the underlying mental health state. Wait for the lawsuit to be filed. I am certain, it will include mention of her not being well. Stsay tuned

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36 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'll go with what the Justice dept says and then let the courts decide rather than Chat AI

 

The victims of Hamas's decades-long violent campaign of terrorism against Israel will always have the support of the U.S. government, and the Department will no longer permit illegal support of Hamas on our campuses and elsewhere in the homeland,” said Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-launch-joint-task-force-october-7

 

 

 

 

You just go ahead and support anti- free speech and just hope it doesn’t affect you one day. Like most on here. 

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2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You just go ahead and support anti- free speech and just hope it doesn’t affect you one day. Like most on here. 

You just go ahead and defend illegal Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist support speech and do the same, hope one day it does not affect you.

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30 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Ok, let's   correct some errors first.

The individual is not a professor of medicine.  She is an inhouse hospital GP, and provides instruction for general staff. In that role she can influence or intimidate general staff such as nurses and orderlies with her political views. Staff members have previously complained about her politicking and at the hospital.

 

Mount Sinai is primarily a jewish hospital financed by the jewish community and that serves  the jewish community although it is non sectarian and has a diverse population and employee  base. It started out as a  hospital for indigent and marginalized members of the jewish community who could not obtain  access to health care elsewhere. It has since  kept that core value by providing subsidized and free care to marginalized communities of New York. It is one of the top rated hospitals in the state and relies on the Jewish community for much of its novel research  and free care funding.

 

And now along comes a person who threatens and intimidates  the very people who have given her a job for 14 years and who have an obligation to the emotional well being of vulnerable patients. She was previously asked to keep the hospital out of her political rants and refused.

 

 

No censorship. She violated the terms of her employment and ignored multiple warnings and cautions in respect to not hurting the hospital reputation or putting patients at fear for their safety. Her termination was not a sudden event. Mt. Sinais lawyers  went through a lengthy process to arrive at this  point.

 

 

It was not a difference of opinions, Her  activist name is Jabal Musa  and she  endorses a group deemed a terrorist organization. She violated her employment terms and conditions in particular not to politicize her workplace.  

 

Not mentioned is the underlying mental health state. Wait for the lawsuit to be filed. I am certain, it will include mention of her not being well. Stsay tuned

Ok great. All of which sounds terribly reasonable so I suppose you have evidence for all of this (especially the bit where was warned after having done it before)? I’d appreciate a few non-biased links that back up your assertions. I’m not in the “believing anything someone types as gospel” mood today. 
And If she was so guilty of all this, why did it require the pressure of a GOP councillor to get her sacked? Such obviously radical behaviour would usually only require a verbal warning, followed by a written warning and then dismissal. If egregious enough, you could sack her straight away under employment terms for “immediate dismissal “ which easily cover the things you are saying. 
Im not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying I need more than just your word for it. 
 

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11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You just go ahead and defend illegal Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist support speech and do the same, hope one day it does not affect you.

And we have a winner ladies and gentlemen!

 

Despite me clearly stating 'And before anyone thinks I'm a fan of Hamas and that I think this woman wasn't just stipid for doing what she did, think again. I'm just more of a fan of TRUE free speach and fairness across the board' - that's exactly the route you decided to take. 

 

It would be pathetic if it wasn't so predictable.

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2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And we have a winner ladies and gentlemen!

 

Despite me clearly stating 'And before anyone thinks I'm a fan of Hamas and that I think this woman wasn't just stipid for doing what she did, think again. I'm just more of a fan of TRUE free speach and fairness across the board' - that's exactly the route you decided to take. 

 

It would be pathetic if it wasn't so predictable.

The winners are that the Jewish patients no longer have to be taken care of by a blatant supporter for the same terrorists that seek to eliminate the Jewish people and destroy America. :thumbsup:

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11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The winners are that the Jewish patients no longer have to be taken care of by a blatant supporter for the same terrorists that seek to eliminate the Jewish people and destroy America. :thumbsup:

Enough of the pearl clutching. If you really can't see the point then there really is no helping you. 

 

CLUE:- It's about free speach (or at least it should be), not anti-semitism.

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2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Enough of the pearl clutching. If you really can't see the point then there really is no helping you. 

 

CLUE:- It's about free speach (or at least it should be), not anti-semitism.

This is not about me, its about facts.

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'll go with what the Justice dept says and then let the courts decide rather than Chat AI

 

The victims of Hamas's decades-long violent campaign of terrorism against Israel will always have the support of the U.S. government, and the Department will no longer permit illegal support of Hamas on our campuses and elsewhere in the homeland,” said Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-launch-joint-task-force-october-7

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

No it's about the law on free speach.

Why are you repeating what I already said?

 

 

I'll go with what the Justice dept says and then let the courts decide rather than Chat AI

 

The victims of Hamas's decades-long violent campaign of terrorism against Israel will always have the support of the U.S. government, and the Department will no longer permit illegal support of Hamas on our campuses and elsewhere in the homeland,” said Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-launch-joint-task-force-october-7

 

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10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So much for free speech. The takeaway from all this BS is to never post anything that could get you in trouble using your own name or e mail. I'm surprised people don't know that.

Always a good idea to support terrorists anonymously. That’s why the they wear masks when out in the open. Cowards the lot of them especaily those that defend their hateful speech

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2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Always a good idea to support terrorists anonymously. That’s why the they wear masks when out in the open. Cowards the lot of them especaily those that defend their hateful speech

As far as Im concerned appeasing Hamas free speech is devil worshipping!

Barbarism 101.

 

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4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Ok great. All of which sounds terribly reasonable so I suppose you have evidence for all of this (especially the bit where was warned after having done it before)? I’d appreciate a few non-biased links that back up your assertions. I’m not in the “believing anything someone types as gospel” mood today. 
And If she was so guilty of all this, why did it require the pressure of a GOP councillor to get her sacked? Such obviously radical behaviour would usually only require a verbal warning, followed by a written warning and then dismissal. If egregious enough, you could sack her straight away under employment terms for “immediate dismissal “ which easily cover the things you are saying. 
Im not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying I need more than just your word for it. 
 

 

I follow physcians against antisemitism on IG and know about the case from them. They are one of the groups who pushed the process. The group includes multiple health professionals at the hospital. The New York Post touched upon the events that were involved and does indirectly credit  the public advocacy of physicians against antisemitism.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/29/us-news/mount-sinai-doctor-fired-for-posts-denying-october-7-attacks/

Initially, the complaint was made within the hospital system. This is reported  by the NYP. As part of the initial disciplinary action, the employee agreed to take down her hateful comments. However, other workplace  members said that it did not go far enough and an investigation ensued.

In New York state, you can't just terminate. There has to be a case made, and that's what the hospital did. There has to have been warnings and written documentation of warnings with a remediation plan. The NYP gives credit to the council member, but that's a political bias. Yes, she was a vocal critic, but there has to be a legal basis to terminate a long term employee in NY. she joins others who preached violence and got a wake up call. Good riddance.

 

Your position would require that the hospital not have followed  state labour laws and left itself open to litigation.

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18 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I follow physcians against antisemitism on IG and know about the case from them. They are one of the groups who pushed the process. The group includes multiple health professionals at the hospital. The New York Post touched upon the events that were involved and does indirectly credit  the public advocacy of physicians against antisemitism.

https://nypost.com/2025/03/29/us-news/mount-sinai-doctor-fired-for-posts-denying-october-7-attacks/

Initially, the complaint was made within the hospital system. This is reported  by the NYP. As part of the initial disciplinary action, the employee agreed to take down her hateful comments. However, other workplace  members said that it did not go far enough and an investigation ensued.

In New York state, you can't just terminate. There has to be a case made, and that's what the hospital did. There has to have been warnings and written documentation of warnings with a remediation plan. The NYP gives credit to the council member, but that's a political bias. Yes, she was a vocal critic, but there has to be a legal basis to terminate a long term employee in NY. she joins others who preached violence and got a wake up call. Good riddance.

 

Your position would require that the hospital not have followed  state labour laws and left itself open to litigation.

Well I appreciate you taking the time to provide more information and before I comment I would like to say I think this woman has been stupid/naive to the extreme to not think this would have implications for her career but I do take point with a few of the things you have said and nothing you have provided proves due process was in fact given. You are assuming this when in fact the article you provided (from a very right wing publication) says 'The pro-Hamas doctor was fired after weeks of pressure from City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov (R-Brooklyn), who pushed for further action after learning that the hateful doc initially only received a slap on the wrist by deleting her social media account.'  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that 'other workplace  members said that it did not go far enough and an investigation ensued.' but I can't see that in the article - only the extreme pressure from a Jewish republican councilwoman.

My issue with all this is fairness. Would the same treatment be given to a Jewish health professional posting about killing all Palestinians? Someone espousing 'Long live the IDF and long live Israel - the noble resistance and freedom fighters?'  As I mentioned before, illegal speech has to 'promote, encourage, or urge anyone to commit a terrorist act or provide instructions on how to commit a terrorist act.' If that's not the case then this law needs to change and despite the wishes of the GOP and many posters on here (and even Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche), to date that has not changed.

 

People are allowed an opinion (whether you like what they are saying or not) and that goes to the heart of free speech and I only see a backward slide with the insistence that any criticism levelled at Israel (or indeed any country/religion/ethnicity) comes with such heavy consequences. 

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2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Well I appreciate you taking the time to provide more information and before I comment I would like to say I think this woman has been stupid/naive to the extreme to not think this would have implications for her career but I do take point with a few of the things you have said and nothing you have provided proves due process was in fact given. You are assuming this when in fact the article you provided (from a very right wing publication) says 'The pro-Hamas doctor was fired after weeks of pressure from City Councilwoman Inna Vernikov (R-Brooklyn), who pushed for further action after learning that the hateful doc initially only received a slap on the wrist by deleting her social media account.'  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that 'other workplace  members said that it did not go far enough and an investigation ensued.' but I can't see that in the article - only the extreme pressure from a Jewish republican councilwoman.

My issue with all this is fairness. Would the same treatment be given to a Jewish health professional posting about killing all Palestinians? Someone espousing 'Long live the IDF and long live Israel - the noble resistance and freedom fighters?'  As I mentioned before, illegal speech has to 'promote, encourage, or urge anyone to commit a terrorist act or provide instructions on how to commit a terrorist act.' If that's not the case then this law needs to change and despite the wishes of the GOP and many posters on here (and even Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche), to date that has not changed.

 

People are allowed an opinion (whether you like what they are saying or not) and that goes to the heart of free speech and I only see a backward slide with the insistence that any criticism levelled at Israel (or indeed any country/religion/ethnicity) comes with such heavy consequences. 

 

The New York Post is a partisan publication. The mention of the councilwoman by a Republican leaning tabloid is in part political. She was  vocal in highlighting the issue, but the way the post writes it that she was the only public official who cared. Dov Hikind, the former Democrat state assembleman was with her on the issue, and she had the backing of Americans Against Anti-Semitism, which was founded by Hikind.

 

Inna is a remarkable woman, and apparently quite principled. She trounced a Democrat in a solidly Democrat district, earning a large majority (64%). .She is an mmigration attorney with a reputation for helping people in desperate situations. Interestingly, she did not receive the endorsement of the Jewish community political group in her district - it went to the Democrat.

 

The Physicians Against Antisemitism is known as the go to group for health professionals who believe that they are being harrassed in the workplace by some people who bring their political views to work. This is the group that advocated on behalf of the  concerned  employees at Mt. Sinai. I follow them because of the very shocking cases that they document. The hatred is palpable, not just against jews but against host countries. It is  concerning to see health workers  advocate for violence in Europe, Australia, Canada and the USA and they are always the same type of people.

 

In respect to your question, Would the same treatment be given to a Jewish health professional posting about killing all Palestinians?  IWell, let me know when there are documented cases of that occurring at a US  hospital. I would expect the response would be harsher, but until there are a proportional number of cases involving non muslims/non arabs, we won't know for sure.

 

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