Trump Is Already Slowing Global Trade as Companies Pause Orders

[Cryingdick]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is a public forum open to all members, If you want to have a 2 way conversation with someone, that's what PM is for. I wasn't aware that the powers that be had delegated the authority to you to dismiss other members. Did they give you a badge, too?

Likewise if i choose not to obey your demands or engage with you i also do not have to. You have a way of inserting you into everything. You are the guy that when you walk in the bar and he is there I walk out. I obviously don't have anything really to say to you. 

 

I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, jas007 said:

In case you are unaware, China is not the only place on Earth that has "rare earths." Nor is it the only producer. 

In case you are unaware, China mines 70% of the world's rare earths. It processes 90% of rare earths into usable form.

 

FYI, the richest deposit of the rare earth elements neodymium and praseodymium is in Australia. The mine and processing for concentrate  will come into production late 2025.

 

Unfortunately for America, most of its output is forward sold to the EU for the next ten years.

[CallumWK]

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[jas007]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In case you are unaware, China mines 70% of the world's rare earths. It processes 90% of rare earths into usable form.

 

FYI, the richest deposit of the rare earth elements neodymium and praseodymium is in Australia. The mine and processing for concentrate  will come into production late 2025.

 

Unfortunately for America, most of its output is forward sold to the EU for the next ten years.

What about the deposits in Russia and Ukraine that Trump is trying to make a deal on?  And America has its own deposits.  If push comes to shove, I think they can extract those deposits fairly quickly.  

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

What about the deposits in Russia and Ukraine that Trump is trying to make a deal on?  And America has its own deposits.  If push comes to shove, I think they can extract those deposits fairly quickly.  

It takes on average 5-7 years to develop a mine, more if beneficiation is required. How cost effective it is, also depends on the ore body grades. No two mines are the same in terms of the treatment technologies required to make the mine profitable. That takes time in research.

 

I was on the ground floor of the first iron ore boom in Western Australia back in the sixties, so I may just know a bit more about mine development than you do.

 

 

[jas007]

36 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It takes on average 5-7 years to develop a mine, more if beneficiation is required. How cost effective it is, also depends on the ore body grades. No two mines are the same in terms of the treatment technologies required to make the mine profitable. That takes time in research.

 

I was on the ground floor of the first iron ore boom in Western Australia back in the sixties, so I may just know a bit more about mine development than you do.

 

 

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Other significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Likewise if i choose not to obey your demands or engage with you i also do not have to. You have a way of inserting you into everything. You are the guy that when you walk in the bar and he is there I walk out. I obviously don't have anything really to say to you. 

 

I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now.

 

So in other words you've got nothing. 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

Likewise if i choose not to obey your demands or engage with you i also do not have to. You have a way of inserting you into everything. You are the guy that when you walk in the bar and he is there I walk out. I obviously don't have anything really to say to you. 

 

I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now.

 

Thanks for your obvious passive aggressive ploy to try and have the last word."

"I am sure you can't resist having the final word because that's sort of your gig. Do so now."

 

And now you're making irrelevant characterizations about me to make me the issue.

You've got nothing.

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.= and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited in those areas as well.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

All of what you say is correct. However, mining and processing rare earths is not like other mines.

 

Iron ore is simple. You dig it up, crush it into suitable sizes, ship it. The only known health effect from iron ore is that doctors in the Pilbara have never seen a case of anemia.

 

Rare earths are an entirely different kettle of fish. Some elements, such as thorium and uranium, are radioactive. Miners are exposed to that hazard plus silicosis. Then there are the acids and solvents used in processing.

China dominates rare earth production because it does not give a rat's rectum for its workers.

 

There would be a whole new gamut of OH&S plus environmental regulations to be met if rare earths were mined in America. Unless Trump copied the Chinese in ditching them.

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Other significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

Except for trump times are normal.

[placeholder]

36 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Under normal circumstances, you may be right.  You have to find the stuff.  Someone has to do a study about it.  Then, there's bureaucratic red tape. At some point, they may actually begin development.and production. In normal times that process can take 10 years or more. 

 

However, for Trump's purposes and in the case of a declared "national emergency," much if not all of the bureaucracy could be dispensed with.  And in those areas where there are known deposits,  it may well be that production could be expedited.

 

Significant deposits in the Western Hemisphere include the USA,  Greenland, and Brazil.  

 

Other significant deposits are located around the world, including in countries that may well be agreeable to an expedited production process. 

 

So perhaps the situation isn't quite so dire as it would be in normal times. 

 

  

So I asked ChatGPT how long it takes to develop a rare earth mine once all the permits have been granted.

General Timeline (Post-Permitting):

1. Construction Phase (1–2 years):

   • Site preparation (infrastructure, roads, power, water).

   • Plant construction (processing facilities are complex due to the need for separation of different rare earth elements).

   • Mining setup (excavation equipment, waste management systems).

2. Commissioning & Ramp-Up (1–2 years):

   • Equipment testing.

   • Processing facility calibration.

   • Gradual increase in production rates until full capacity is reached.