Trump's 4D Chess Match

[rattlesnake]

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You should know better than to quote that ignoramus. In 1890 Republicans passed the Tariff Act. It resulted in massive inflation and resulted in them being thrown out of power in the 1892 elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Tariff

 

I should know better than to try having an honest debate with a sophist. Tariffs accounted for half of federal revenue from 1860 to 1913.

[rattlesnake]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You also didn't address the question of why so the 20th century ended so much wealthier than it began.

 

"The 20th century" isn't an entity. In the real world, the average Western couple could afford a house and decent life on one wage in the 50s, in the 90s two wages weren't enough anymore.

[JAG]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

And what's even more exciting this will be happening next week!!!

 

If they can get their grubby paws on the "rare earths" they need to build their AI infrastructure. Perhaps that is where Canada, Greenland and Ukraine come into the mix?

[MicroB]

6 hours ago, rough diamond said:

What game? Monopoly!

Unfortunately you and Trump seem to think that the world's economic structure is a simple game of monopoly!

It is not!

 

If there is a game, its pick'em up sticks, or the card versio, Round them up Cowboy.

[Cryingdick]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I dont know, but Nvidia makes chips in the US and somehow people are affording them. 

Nvidia doesn't make any chips at all. This is done by the chip fab companies. The bulk of their chips come from Taiwan semi. NVDA is what is known as a fabless chip company, they do not directly manufacture them.

[jerrymahoney]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I dont know, but Nvidia makes chips in the US and somehow people are affording them. 

via AI and as noted  above:

 

Nvidia chips are manufactured by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), a contract chipmaker based in Taiwan, according to multiple sources. Nvidia designs the chips, but outsources the actual production to TSMC. Nvidia also has explored the possibility of manufacturing some chips at TSMC's facilities in the US, particularly in Arizona, reports suggest. 

[jerrymahoney]

7 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Can't be bothered to watch it, but 4 D chess? What a joke, he clueless on economics (and most other subjects), quite good at bankruptcies and graft.

When asked how he would determine which companies might receive such an exemption, Trump responded, "Instinctively."

 

"You almost can't take a pencil to paper. It's really more of an instinct than anything else," Trump added. "Some companies, through no fault of their own, they happen to be in an industry that is more affected by these things than others. You have to be able to show a little flexibility, and I'm able to do that.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-hell-take-look-exempting-some-larger-us-companies-hit-especially-hard-tariffs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

And if you were to ask Mr. Trump whether, when playing 4-d chess, he will use the The Ruy Lopez or the Spanish Opening, he might say:

 

I don't know when we are opening the hotel on the beach at Ruy Lopez in Spain. You have to talk to my son Eric about that. He handles all the Trump hotel openings.

[cdemundo]

9 hours ago, Chalong circle said:

Yes; ALL the the t Shirts made in Bangladesh and Cambodgia will be made next year in Us Factories by US workers (not migrants) at the same cost. Sure ! Trump is a genius !

Saw an interview with Tim Cook (the guy Trump calls Tim Apple) where he said that labor cost in not the main attraction of China. He said that the Chinese labor force has greater skills in manufacturing and surrounding tooling than any other nation.

 

So US couldn't compete in technical manufacturing.

 

Here he is:

 

[jerrymahoney]

Note that Mr. Cook's reference to filling 2 football fields with Chinese tooling engineers was first made in 2017.

[Jingthing]

Trump can barely read. Does anyone really think he's capable of concentrating enough to play even regular chess? More sane washing garbage.

[Yagoda]

41 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Saw an interview with Tim Cook (the guy Trump calls Tim Apple) where he said that labor cost in not the main attraction of China. He said that the Chinese labor force has greater skills in manufacturing and surrounding tooling than any other nation.

 

So US couldn't compete in technical manufacturing.

 

Here he is:

 

Yeah thats the new talking point, which propaganda outlet gave it to you. Y'all sound the same.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Trump can barely read. Does anyone really think he's capable of concentrating enough to play even regular chess? More sane washing garbage.

How do you know he can barely read? How do you know what he is capable of? Hes a billionaire and President of the USA, how about you?  132,000 posts on a message board? His tweets are far more intelligent than your posts.

 

The stock market likes it now right? Trade delegations in Washington now, are there?. Democratic governors bowing to Trump. Maybe you are the one who cant read the room.?

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah thats the new talking point, which propaganda outlet gave it to you. Y'all sound the same.

https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/apple-ceo-tim-cook-this-is-number-1-reason-we-make-iphones-in-china-its-not-what-you-think.html

 

DEC 21, 2017

 

The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the U.S., you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I’m not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields.

 

 

 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah thats the new talking point, which propaganda outlet gave it to you. Y'all sound the same.

Thank you for your reasoned and fact-filled rebuttal. You make an excellent point. Everybody knows that to be the world's number 1 manufacturing power, the last thing that you need is engineers. Basically all you have to do is plant seeds and the designs for the products and the machines that make them just sprout.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the U.S., you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I’m not sure we could fill the room. In China, you could fill multiple football fields.

 

Sounds like the meetings in Washington between the Military and Industry after Pearl Harbour. WE know what happened after that.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

I just wanted to identify the propaganda outlet that was the source of that quote.

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thank you for your reasoned and fact-filled rebuttal. You make an excellent point. Everybody knows that to be the world's number 1 manufacturing power, the last thing that you need is engineers. Basically all you have to do is plant seeds and the designs for the products and the machines that make them just sprout.

Wow. Nice patriotism and can do attitude.

 

Guess you arent the type to pitch in. Would you answer the call to use your skills to train others? Would you come out of retirement to fill a job in 7-11 so the High School kid could go off to learn to build or machine? Would you answer the call of your country to fight an ECONOMIC war? Even if its just to drive a cart of screws from one building or another? Or assemble those annoying boxes? Yeah dude, that could free up some folks to do the harder stuff. We dont have a huge underclass of muscular young men in our inner cities that could be trained to work like we did in WW2, when housewives made  VT fuzes? Oh wait, they are black and minority, they cant be taught right? Hell, they dont even know how to get an ID.

 

Anybody in general: Where are all the cheers for a policy that intentionally or unintentionally saves the environment and helps the world by reducing demand? Where are the cheers from folks who last year were screaming about "over consumption" and "dwindling resources" and "exploitation" and "plastic", usually while wearing clothes out of a closet filled with the throwaway fashion churned out by teenage slaves in the slums of Phnom Pen or Saigon.

 

Vietnam is in town. Where are the calls from the Dems to include WORKERS RIGHTS in negotiations? Shouldnt we insist on correct worker treatment? Naw, they will just screeeech about Trump, better to let the slaves starve so we can use their existence as weapons.

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

16 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I just wanted to identify the propaganda outlet that was the source of that quote.

Which one? I saw that clipp linked 20 times yesterday

[jerrymahoney]

I posted Mr. Cook's original comment in 2017.

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Wow. Nice patriotism and can do attitude.

 

Guess you arent the type to pitch in. Would you answer the call to use your skills to train others? Would you come out of retirement to fill a job in 7-11 so the High School kid could go off to learn to build or machine? Would you answer the call of your country to fight an ECONOMIC war? Even if its just to drive a cart of screws from one building or another? Or assemble those annoying boxes? Yeah dude, that could free up some folks to do the harder stuff. We dont have a huge underclass of muscular young men in our inner cities that could be trained to work like we did in WW2, when housewives made  VT fuzes? Oh wait, they are black and minority, they cant be taught right? Hell, they dont even know how to get an ID.

 

Anybody in general: Where are all the cheers for a policy that intentionally or unintentionally saves the environment and helps the world by reducing demand? Where are the cheers from folks who last year were screaming about "over consumption" and "dwindling resources" and "exploitation" and "plastic", usually while wearing clothes out of a closet filled with the throwaway fashion churned out by teenage slaves in the slums of Phnom Pen or Saigon.

 

Vietnam is in town. Where are the calls from the Dems to include WORKERS RIGHTS in negotiations? Shouldnt we insist on correct worker treatment? Naw, they will just screeeech about Trump, better to let the slaves starve so we can use their existence as weapons.

Keep wriggling. In the post of yours I addressed you cast shade on the statement that there was a shortage of engineers. Now you're making all kinds of claims about volunteerism, or the potential of minority youth, environmental hypocrisy, and workers' rights. Everything except the fact that China has a huge advantage over the United States in actual existing engineering talent. Now maybe you've got a magic wand and you can, with a wave, turn all those minority youth into engineers. But other than that, you've got nothing but deflections to offer.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

In the post of yours I addressed you cast shade on the statement that there was a shortage of engineers.

I havent cast shade on anything. You see a storm and run, hide and scream. I see a storm, say "rock and fin roll" and keep going till I see the rainbow.

 

My fellow Americans can do anything.

 

Im sure China has more engineers that us. Its drone work to copy everyone else work after all. 

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I havent cast shade on anything. You see a storm and run, hide and scream. I see a storm, say "rock and fin roll" and keep going till I see the rainbow.

 

My fellow Americans can do anything.

 

Im sure China has more engineers that us. Its drone work to copy everyone else work after all. 

As the US learned in Iraq, it's always wise policy to have contempt for your enemies or competitors:

 

"China’s global lead extends to 37 out of 44 technologies that ASPI is now tracking, covering a range of crucial technology fields spanning defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas.1 The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker. "

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker

[save the frogs]

19 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Not long ago the OP claimed he wasn't a MAGA cult member, yet he starts one after another thread defending Trump.Sounds to me as if he also has problems with the truth.

 

If you sleep with the dog you get his fleas come to mind.

 

No, I'm not. I don't even know what he's doing. But I am open to theories like the one in OP.

It's because someone started a thread about how Trumps is destroying the economy. But it might only be a temporary thing ... maybe. I don't know. I'm just throwing this theory out there for discussion. 

 

[save the frogs]

14 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

via AI and as noted  above:

 

Nvidia chips are manufactured by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), a contract chipmaker based in Taiwan, according to multiple sources. Nvidia designs the chips, but outsources the actual production to TSMC. Nvidia also has explored the possibility of manufacturing some chips at TSMC's facilities in the US, particularly in Arizona, reports suggest. 

 

Ah yes, right. Forgot. 

That's why the US defends Taiwan. 

[Cameroni]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As the US learned in Iraq, it's always wise policy to have contempt for your enemies or competitors:

 

"China’s global lead extends to 37 out of 44 technologies that ASPI is now tracking, covering a range of crucial technology fields spanning defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas.1 The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker. "

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker

 

Surprisingly China does not figure in the top pharmaceutical companies at all. Of the top 5 pharmaceutical companies 4 are from the USA. Of the top 10 no less than 6 are from the USA.

 

You mention robotics, but only 3 out of 10 of the top ten robotics companies are from China, and they are on the last 3 ranks.

 

https://iotworldmagazine.com/2024/09/12/2439/list-of-top-10-robotics-and-automation-companies-in-london-uk-europe-asia-usa-and-china-in-2024-2025

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah thats the new talking point, which propaganda outlet gave it to you. Y'all sound the same.

Well if you were really serious about evaluating information you would see that that is Tim Cook speaking.

Which outlet is not the question, the question is do you consider Tim Cook to know anything about manufacturing?

I do.

The company he heads designs, manufactures and sells one of the most successful products in the world.

[Yagoda]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As the US learned in Iraq, it's always wise policy to have contempt for your enemies or competitors:

 

"China’s global lead extends to 37 out of 44 technologies that ASPI is now tracking, covering a range of crucial technology fields spanning defence, space, robotics, energy, the environment, biotechnology, artificial intelligence (AI), advanced materials and key quantum technology areas.1 The Critical Technology Tracker shows that, for some technologies, all of the world’s top 10 leading research institutions are based in China and are collectively generating nine times more high-impact research papers than the second-ranked country (most often the US). Notably, the Chinese Academy of Sciences ranks highly (and often first or second) across many of the 44 technologies included in the Critical Technology Tracker. "

https://www.aspi.org.au/report/critical-technology-tracker

Keep shilling for China in your hate America campaign, but most of the world knows that China is not the rising star. 

 

Im not even going to debate the silliness of the facts you raise (technology) since you will only ignore the more compelling, countervailing view. 

 

As an American I have confidence in what we are doing.

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Well if you were really serious about evaluating information you would see that that is Tim Cook speaking.

Which outlet is not the question, the question is do you consider Tim Cook to know anything about manufacturing?

I do.

The company he heads designs, manufactures and sells one of the most successful products in the world.

Tim Cook is entitled to his Pre Covid view of China.

 

Is Apple manufacturing in Vietnam or Thailand now? Since when?

[save the frogs]

22 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

The risk is watching a certain type of thing on youtube begets more of the same in your feed confirming your bias.

Yes, Youtube AI feeds your existing bias mostly.