A Night in the Thai Police Station

[chippendale]

16 hours ago, Hellfire said:

I don’t claim to be innocent. Still, I believe I was treated unfairly. Which, in turn, is something anyone who violates the law should expect, especially in a country like Thailand. And with this post, I want to warn other foreigners in Thailand.

Personally, you have no sympathy from me since you don’t seem to have any empathy for others yourself.

 

 

Do you have any empathy towards the innocent victims of drunk driving? You drove around drunk, fortunately no one got run over by your callous and selfish behaviour ..... and now you expect sympathy from us all here because the police decided to punish you instead of allowing a spoilt and entitled foreigner to get away with it!

 

Toughen up, stop being a crybaby and accept that you were wrong.

[tubby johnson]

16 hours ago, Hellfire said:

Well, how exactly do you define "a place to sleep"?  Is a stone floor such a place? I don’t think it is for at least 95% of the people in the civilized world. For me personally, it was almost like being in torturous conditions. In fact, I was deprived of the ability to sleep. Did I do something to deserve being subjected to such conditions?

 

Do you consider yourself civilized for driving around drunk?

 

No, you weren't "deprived of the ability to sleep". Witness your cellmates who slept peacefully. Most proper men have slept on a stone floor before and you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself as some innocent victim of a monumental miscarriage of justice.

 

Go ahead, turn this into an international incident, whine on CNN and the BBC and take this to the United Nations International Court of Justice.

[faraday]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

School of Hard Knocks followed by the University of life  ?????   

an act of piercing something with a fine, sharp point.

 

Is this you, possibly?

[riclag]

16 hours ago, Hellfire said:

Although I don’t consider myself to be a tough, hardened man (for example, I avoided military service), the point of my post is not to complain or seek sympathy. Rather, it’s to warn others and, more importantly, to draw attention to the inhumanity of the supervisory structures we’ve created, such as the police and all kind of secret services, and the dangers associated with them. We are human beings, not sheep, who have no option but to silently endure humiliation.

Disagree ! I want you and others like you to feel so uncomfortable , so miserable, so deprived during incarceration!

 

I want it to stick in your head!

“This is what I’ll have to endure if I break the law again and endanger other lives & others property!

 

I hope you & others realize what might seem unfair is at times a deterrent.

[richard_smith237]

37 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I 'get it' completely - I get that now, instead of admitting that you are wrong, you are now going 50/50 by saying 'there becomes a point' bla bla bla.

 

The actual fact is that you have a choice, you can pay your way out of a situation or you can refuse (if you know you are right).  You cannot say I'm wrong, because I know it to be true. I refuse, others pay.  At the start of your argument you were stating that its reality and claiming its what you have to do if you live in Thailand. Now you say that you do 'stand up' but only to a point. Which is it?

 

You then move on to calling me naive - how can that be correct when I have proved time and time again that you don't have to pay the police - and that's the nub of it - you don't have to if you are sure you've done nothing wrong, That is plain and simple corruption and although you may not think so, you do have a choice.

 

Yes, choosing not to pay may well cost you time, even money but for someone like me who is totally anti corruption, paying the police is out of the question. I'd rather go to court and end up with a bigger fine if I lost.

 

Stopping for traffic lights, I recall getting pulled over to the side for speeding... the policeman said a police officer with a speed camera caught me further up the road... 

 

I asked how fast I was going, the officer couldn't tell me.... 

I asked him what the speed limit was - he said 95 kmh (I knew it was 90) - then walked away.

 

Another officer came to the window, I asked the same questions, he couldn't tell me the speed but told me the limit was 90 kmh. 

 

...  I knew this game...    I called both officers to come to the door (of my car) and pointed out of if they can't tell me the speed limit, where is the proof...  Show me proof and write me an official ticket. 

 

Their response... OK.. Please drive carefully... I thanked them for their concern and drove on.

 

 

Its perfectly acceptable to challenge things politely when we know we are not in the wrong - the BiB here are humans like everyone else. 

 

 

[riclag]

30 minutes ago, chippendale said:

 

Do you have any empathy towards the innocent victims of drunk driving? You drove around drunk, fortunately no one got run over by your callous and selfish behaviour ..... and now you expect sympathy from us all here because the police decided to punish you instead of allowing a spoilt and entitled foreigner to get away with it!

 

Toughen up, stop being a crybaby and accept that you were wrong.

Spot on!

[Liverpool Lou]

18 hours ago, Hellfire said:

I was told just yesterday by some Thai driving instructor that the allowed limit for driving drunk is 50 milligram percent. Probably - this limit is for the Thais only.

 

The lower BAC level applies to those driving without a driving licence, and a few other categories, i.e you.   Nothing to do with "Thais only limits".

[Liverpool Lou]

17 hours ago, Hellfire said:

Did I do something to deserve being subjected to such conditions?

Yes, you did, drunk driving and you received exactly the same treatment and facilities as everyone else in that jail

[Liverpool Lou]

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There was no reason to Jail him - he is married and lives here, he'd already been processed and was obviously not a 'flight risk' and the BiB knew it.

Yes there was, drunk driving and the need tp appear in court the next morning.

[Liverpool Lou]

17 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

There is no provisional licence in Thailand.

Yes, there is, the first two-year licence that is issued is considered a provisional licence that is replaced after two years with a "full" five-year licence.

[still kicking]

17 hours ago, Hellfire said:

I am more focused on the part where the officer sent me to a cell and then interrogated my wife. This behavior mirrors the tactics used by secret police forces around the world, including the NKVD and the KGB. Many of you Westerners don’t seem to see the fine line between enforcing the law and violating basic human rights. It's easy to overlook this because you’re used to living in a free society. However, this is a dangerous trend, one that I’ve personally witnessed more and more lately.

Prison cell in Denmark 

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Prison cell in Denmark 

 

Yes, but it's in DENMARK.

 

So....

[richard_smith237]

26 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There was no reason to Jail him - he is married and lives here, he'd already been processed and was obviously not a 'flight risk' and the BiB knew it.

Yes there was, drunk driving and the need tp appear in court the next morning.

In which case every such example results in an overnight stay in jail which is not the case. 
 

Hence, the jail stay was uncharacteristic of the conventional response to such an offence. 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

31 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There was no reason to Jail him - he is married and lives here, he'd already been processed and was obviously not a 'flight risk' and the BiB knew it.

Yes there was, drunk driving and the need tp appear in court the next morning.

In which case every such example results in an overnight stay in jail which is not the case. 

Which cases of arrestees who have to appear in court in the next few hours, i.e. in the morning have not had that process applied?

[Hellfire]

2 hours ago, still kicking said:

Prison cell in Denmark 

This prison is for civilized people. Thailand remains deeply rooted in barbarism. Many users on this forum also display a barbaric mindset, showing little concern for whether the punishment fits the crime. It’s as if many of them have a little Adolf Hitler inside. Sadly, this reflects a darker side of human nature—cruel, wild, and finding satisfaction in the suffering of others. 

These people use concepts like ‘law’ and ‘order’ as a pretext to justify their hatred toward other human beings. 

A forum full of spiteful old geezers.

[Hellfire]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Which cases of arrestees who have to appear in court in the next few hours, i.e. in the morning have not had that process applied?

You—and many others here—keep stubbornly ignoring the most interesting part of my story: the fact that my wife was interrogated by the same guy who decided I deserved to sleep on a filthy floor. He knew better than either of us that I’d end up paying less than 10k and walk free the next day. So why was a 20k bail not enough? Why did he choose to punish me anyway? Was he trying to squeeze some dirty secrets out of my wife? Or was it just another case of power abuse? I personally think - both.

So here’s the real question: who’s more dangerous to society—me, with years of driving experience and not a single incident on record, after drinking 80 grams of alcohol or this power-abusing maniac in uniform?

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the falang

It is farang with a ร

[MalcolmB]

4 hours ago, sungod said:

 

I just call a spade a spade, nothing about being defensive. Plenty others on here find many of your posts condescending.

At least he is consistent.

[josephbloggs]

36 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

This prison is for civilized people. Thailand remains deeply rooted in barbarism. Many users on this forum also display a barbaric mindset, showing little concern for whether the punishment fits the crime. It’s as if many of them have a little Adolf Hitler inside. Sadly, this reflects a darker side of human nature—cruel, wild, and finding satisfaction in the suffering of others. 

These people use concepts like ‘law’ and ‘order’ as a pretext to justify their hatred toward other human beings. 

A forum full of spiteful old geezers.

I agree with you about the make up of this forum, but disagree with the rest. You were caught over the drink driving limit without  a valid license. You got the punishment that that befits. One night in a cell (with others caught similarly so you weren't singled out), court, a 10k fine and on your way.

I am sure it was unpleasant, I am sure I wouldn't enjoy it, but you really need to stop bleating about it now. Try getting caught drink driving with no license in other countries and see what punishment you get.

And of course we are all assuming you were apologetic, polite, and didn't get uppity or aggressive or entitled in your tone, but from reading your posts I am not sure that's the case.

[MalcolmB]

20 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

driving experience and not a single incident on record,

So you have got away with it for years.

Respect.

i have saved tens of thousands of pounds on taxis over the decades, and like yourself have never been in an accident.

I would have just paid up the 20,000 thb from all those savings and happily worn it.

 

Why don’t you have a license?

Why didn’t you get your wife to drive?

[josephbloggs]

24 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

You—and many others here—keep stubbornly ignoring the most interesting part of my story: the fact that my wife was interrogated by the same guy who decided I deserved to sleep on a filthy floor. He knew better than either of us that I’d end up paying less than 10k and walk free the next day. So why was a 20k bail not enough? Why did he choose to punish me anyway? Was he trying to squeeze some dirty secrets out of my wife? Or was it just another case of power abuse? I personally think - both.

So here’s the real question: who’s more dangerous to society—me, with years of driving experience and not a single incident on record, after drinking 80 grams of alcohol or this power-abusing maniac in uniform?

"Power abusing maniac". Seriously, give it a rest. Over the drink driving limit, no valid license. Your fault and your fault only. You were treated fairly and in accordance with the law.

Man up and stop bleating.

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

And of course we are all assuming you were apologetic, polite, and didn't get uppity or aggressive or entitled in your tone, but from reading your posts I am not sure that's the case.

Maybe why the police officer was trying to chat up his wife?

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Maybe why the police officer was trying to chat up his wife?

Quite possibly!

And a Thai policeman asking some questions to his Thai wife in Thai  - the horror!! Human rights! Call the UN!!

[MalcolmB]

5 hours ago, faraday said:

 

An indirect & unnecessary snide comment.

At least he is consistent.

[richard_smith237]

10 hours ago, faraday said:

12 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Maybe you are one of those who does not have a 'spine to stand up for yourself'.

 

 

An indirect & unnecessary snide comment.

Wrong - it was very direct, no hidden meaning,  nothing snide about it !!

 

Learn your language ! 

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

At least he is consistent.

Welcome back after your ban !! 

 

… bet you went through a few pairs of incontenence panties while counting down the clock when this thread lit up !!   

 

 

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Which cases of arrestees who have to appear in court in the next few hours, i.e. in the morning have not had that process applied?

Those idiots I’m acquainted with though football who’ve been caught & had to go back to the station the following morning & taken to court…. Especially on the weekend when a few of the twits have been caught.  
 

** (m) 

 

 

[faraday]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wrong - it was very direct, no hidden meaning,  nothing snide about it !!

 

Learn your language ! 

 

Wrong again, Dickie.

 

The use of "maybe" is a suggestion, therefore not direct.

 

I explain the difference, as you appear to be somewhat hard of learning.

 

"you are a condescending prat"

vs

"Maybe, you are a condescending prat"

 

 

[faraday]

9 hours ago, Hellfire said:

A forum full of spiteful old geezers.

 

Oh... K. Hellfire, you do seem troubled.

 

Complain about Thai Police.

Complain about being done for DUI.

Complain about Thai culture.

 

Many things...

Then, Complain about the forum

 

AN(T) is full of lovely members, calm, never strident & never condescending. @richard_smith237 is a fine example of such.

 

😁

 

 

[cdemundo]

What can a person take from this story?

There is a saying that I think applies:

 

When you lose, don't lose the lesson.